Patriots LBs, assessment of who we have now and who is probably gone

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    Patriots LBs, assessment of who we have now and who is probably gone

    Looking at what is probably the most talked about need for the Pats an OLB who can rush the passer.  Here's the list of who is currently on the roster and whether IMO they are a starter, pass rush specialist, backup, special teams guy or just Gone.  I also added a LB mock per round including a few UDFAs who I would sign right after the draft is over.

    2010 LBs Roster
    Stater/passing down pass rush specialist(PRS)/backup/ST/Gone this offseason
    Right Side
    AD - from VW's comments I take as he sees it as you are either aligned with him in getting NE back to playing true Patriot football or you are not.  IMO AD is notGone
    Bruce Davis - has good size and can become a good pass rusher.  I would like to see what he can do if given the chance.  Has to get better against the run but he does have upside.  PRS/BU/ST
    Eric AlexanderGone
    Marques Murrell- was a very good pass rusher in college but has not shown he can do that in the NFL, new team new start.  See if he gets better.PRS/BU/ST
    Middle
    Mayo - Not much I need to say other than he should be back 100% and return to his rookie form.  Stater
    McKenzie - Hope him to be healthy and starting along side Mayo, although Guyton did an ok job he is a liability against the run.  If McKenzie has a chance to be the starter.Stater/BU
    Guyton - Did a good job for been an UDFA, fastest LB on the team can probably move outside and help as a pass rusher?BU/Starter
    Thomas Williams - Can be called on a crunch, not great but will not cost you the game.BU/ST
    Left Side
    Crable - I don't know how to classify him right now but would say IF he's healthy he doesn't get a starting role. BB probably tries not to get him injured so won't be a starter for a whilePRS/BU
    TBC although without him last year the pass rush would had been worse he's not a starter but probably is the starter when the season begins unless one of the rookies takes his jobStarter/BU/PRS
    Rob Ninkovich Gone
    Woods - Seems to have size and speed but has not developed into what his ability can beST/Gone
    My LB mock, only guys I think we have a shot atSide to play on
    Sergio Kindle 1st round #22 -He has played OLB and DE, with the success of Orakpo I think Kindle (a lighter version) can have a similar year.Left side PRS/BU/ST
    A.J. Edds 4th round 119 - he has nickle LB written all over him.  IMO is a 3 down OLB who is best in space covering TEs and RBs.Right Side Starter/BU/PRS
    Danny Batten 7th round better run stopper than pass rusher but can do both.  Right side   BU/ST
    Tim Knicky UDFA - Small school player, has shown ability to move to OLB from DE.  Big guy 6'4" 250 pro day 4.64 40.  ST/PRS
    Mike Johnson UDFA - MLB at north alabama, can add depth in the middle although some scouts believe he can be a starter in the NFL.  Watch a game vs Valdosta and he was a beast, caught my eye.ST/PRS

     
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    hopefully none of the outside LB's you listed will be starters by the middle of the season! what a sorry group. i love TCB's energy and effort, but he got pushed back on the run too often. he's best as a situational rusher. lets get some talent in here! 
    ps - you didnt mention burgess, but he was easy to forget since he didnt make a play all season. i hope we dont bring him back...need to get some young players in here and develop them.
     
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    hopefully none of the outside LB's you listed will be starters by the middle of the season! what a sorry group. i love TCB's energy and effort, but he got pushed back on the run too often. he's best as a situational rusher. lets get some talent in here!  ps - you didnt mention burgess, but he was easy to forget since he didnt make a play all season. i hope we dont bring him back...need to get some young players in here and develop them.
    Posted by artielang


    Yeah Burgess, he will be added if he signs and will go to the right side.  He doesn't all of the sudden makes this group much better although might be better than some of the other options.
    This group (OLBs) sure isn't going to scare anyone unless some playmakers are drafted.
     
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    Alexander and Ninkovich will be here.  I'd bet Davis, Woods, Crable and Murrell will be gone before either of those 2 guys.  Woods could be back because he's a special teamer, but the other 3 need to excel on special teams to unseat Alexander and Ninkovich.   
     
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    Who's Thomas Williams??  Is he currently on the roster?? 

    I thought Nincovich played OK last yr and think he warrants a roster spot as a backup/special teamer unless they really upgrade the LB position.
     
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    I agree Nin did play well, what I took into account was guys they can bring in and play a role to be an upgrade.  If they decided to carry another LB he would be my guess to be in.

    Thomas is LB signed to the practice squad late last year.  here's a bit more about him, his is a guy with something to prove and seeking for a roster spot whether is. 

    http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2009/11/11/meet-the-new-guy-%E2%80%94-thomas-williams/

     
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    wow.  I remember B. Davis but never heard of this guy. Looks a bit light, probably more of a special teamer but who knows. Thanks
     
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    Ninkovich and woods are going to be on the roster, plus i think they will resign Burgess.  I honestly think that BB brings in DE's to add pressure and only one rush OLB. Hughes (OLB) and Odrick (DE) are the picks i have them taking and Vince Oghobaase DE (Duke) in the 4th round. 
     
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    I have no clue who the Patriots will end up with at the other OLB spot opposite TBC but whoever that high draft pick is they better be ready to start.

    I suspect this is how it breaks down:
    Patriots OLB starters: Tully Banta Cain, Whoever is drafted (Kindle, Hughes, Graham, Pierre-Paul, Dunlap for example)  
    Patriots ILB starters: Mayo, McKenzie (expect big things from him this year)

    Backups and 4-3 flex starters and Speciual Teams: Guyton, Crable, Ninkovich, Alexander, maybe Woods.

    I am not worried about the OLB or ILB spots (one caveat is we need to take a OLB with one of those first 4 picks) what I am concerned with is finding the right pieces at DE to start opposite Warren and DT/DE backups... I think Pryor is at least part of that puzzle but beyond that I am unsure at this point.

     
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    I have no clue who the Patriots will end up with at the other OLB spot opposite TBC but whoever that high draft pick is they better be ready to start. I suspect this is how it breaks down: Patriots OLB starters: Tully Banta Cain, Whoever is drafted (Kindle, Hughes, Graham, Pierre-Paul, Dunlap for example)   Patriots ILB starters: Mayo, McKenzie (expect big things from him this year) Backups and 4-3 flex starters and Speciual Teams: Guyton, Crable, Ninkovich, Alexander, maybe Woods. I am not worried about the OLB or ILB spots (one caveat is we need to take a OLB with one of those first 4 picks) what I am concerned with is finding the right pieces at DE to start opposite Warren and DT/DE backups... I think Pryor is at least part of that puzzle but beyond that I am unsure at this point.
    Posted by DaBlade


    I think we need to look at both as same urgent need, you can have a great DE but if there's not LB coming off the edge in consistent basis they will double and triple team that dominant OLB.

    I saw your caveat which is a good one, I'll like to see 1 of the 4 De and 1 of the first 4 OLB and then one of each in later rounds.  I really like A.J. Edds in the 4th.  He is a guy you can play on special teams and also you nickel LB next to mayo.  He's good against the run but is better in coverage.  I think with a rushing OLB and Edds this LB group gets a lot better and more versatile.

    At DE three guys I would watch in the 2nd if Odrick is not taken inthe 1st
    Tyson Alualu, played in a 34 in college so might be ahead of the others as a starter
    Lamarr Houston, great motor can create, as alualu, a pass rush from the DE spot. 
    Alex Carrington, would need to add some weight he's 285 but is also 6'5" compared to the other 2 at 6'3".  carrington doesn't give you the pass rush alualu or houston can give you but has the height BB looks for in a DE.
     

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