Patriots Roster Prediction by Jeff Howe of NESN. Any thoughts?

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    Patriots Roster Prediction by Jeff Howe of NESN. Any thoughts?

    Not bad I pretty much agree. Except for Gerard Warren, I think he is definitly going to make it. What do you guys think?

    FOXBORO, Mass. -- This second roster prediction was a whole lot more difficult to construct than the first, and it had a lot to do with the Patriots' additions to the defensive line.

    If this 53-man roster holds up (it won't), there would be 11 players on the team who weren't with the organization in 2010.

    Check back every Friday to see a new edition of the Patriots roster prediction.

    Quarterbacks (3)
    Tom Brady, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett

    Note: If Hoyer and Mallett keep playing like they did against Jacksonville, the Patriots are going to receive a bunch of calls about trades.

    Running Backs (5)
    Kevin Faulk, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen, Danny Woodhead

    Note: There will be a great battle between Green-Ellis and Vereen for starting-caliber carries. Fantasy football managers will have nightmares over this one.

    Wide Receivers (7)
    Deion Branch, Julian Edelman, Chad Ochocinco, Taylor Price, Brandon Tate, Wes Welker, Matthew Slater

    Note: Slater has shown his special teams value in practice and again during Thursday's game, so he's back on the 53-man roster.

    Tight Ends (3)
    Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Lee Smith

    Note: Gronkowski has been the best offensive player in camp, and Hernandez just had a very strong week. This group will be dangerous again.

    Offensive Linemen (9)
    Dan Connolly, Dan Koppen, Matt Light, Steve Maneri, Logan Mankins, Rich Ohrnberger, Nate Solder, Sebastian Vollmer, Ryan Wendell

    Note: Maneri has had an impressive week and replaced Mark LeVoir in this edition. However, LeVoir has worked at right guard due to recent injuries to Wendell and Connolly. If Wendell's injury is serious, LeVoir would be back in.

    Defensive Linemen (7)
    Mark Anderson, Andre Carter, Shaun Ellis, Albert Haynesworth, Kyle Love, Vince Wilfork, Mike Wright

    Note: Gerard Warren was the last player off the roster, and I've got Love beating him out for that spot. I don't have Ron Brace on the 53-man roster, either, but I'd expect him to wind up on the injured reserve or the physically-unable-to-perform list. I wouldn't be surprised to see Myron Pryor and Brandon Deaderick draw the same fate. If Wright or Ellis aren't healthy enough to start the season, Warren will be on the roster.

    Linebackers (7)
    Jermaine Cunningham, Dane Fletcher, Gary Guyton, Jerod Mayo, Rob Ninkovich, Brandon Spikes, Tracy White

    Note: Markell Carter drops off the roster this week. The sixth-rounder hasn't done much to stick out yet. This was also a great week for Fletcher, who drew tons of praise from Bill Belichick on Friday.

    Cornerbacks (5)
    Kyle Arrington, Leigh Bodden, Darius Butler, Ras-I Dowling, Devin McCourty

    Note: Butler had a tough night against the Jaguars, but Jonathan Wilhite wasn't stellar, either. Malcolm Williams could be a surprising charge if the door remains open.

    Safeties (4)
    Sergio Brown, Patrick Chung, Brandon Meriweather, James Sanders

    Note: Brown has made some nice strides this summer and should expect more playing time in his second season.

    Specialists (3)
    Kicker Stephen Gostkowski, long snapper Matt Katula, punter Zoltan Mesko

    Note: Gostkowski looked strong in the preseason opener, and he should be ready for kickoff duty in time for the regular season. There's just no way Belichick would be OK with carrying two kickers.

    On the Bubble (18)
    Offensive lineman Thomas Austin, defensive lineman Ron Brace, offensive lineman Marcus Cannon, outside linebacker/defensive end Markell Carter, defensive lineman Landon Cohen, defensive end Brandon Deaderick, wide receiver Darnell Jenkins, Mark LeVoir, safety Bret Lockett, defensive end Eric Moore, running back Sammy Morris, linebacker Marques Murrell, defensive tackle Myron Pryor, defensive lineman Darryl Richard, linebacker Jeff Tarpinian, defensive lineman Gerard Warren, cornerback Jonathan Wilhite, cornerback Malcolm Williams

    Note: This is a pretty heavy list of candidates to make the team. Cannon will remain with the team on an injured list.

    A Little Further Away (6)
    Safety Josh Barrett, tight end Carson Butler, kicker Chris Koepplin, defensive lineman Aaron Lavarias, defensive lineman Kade Weston, tight end Will Yeatman

    Note: Lavarias and Yeatman are candidates to move up to the "On the Bubble" category.

    Long Shots (13)
    Wide receiver Tyree Barnes, offensive lineman Jonathan Compas, defensive end Christian Cox, wide receiver Buddy Farnham, running back Eric Kettani, running back Richard Medlin, offensive lineman Chris Morris, defensive end Clay Nurse, wide receiver Jeremy Ross, defensive end Alex Silvestro, offensive lineman Mark Wetterer, defensive lineman Steve Williams, offensive lineman Corey Woods

    Note: Medlin scored a touchdown on the first carry of his professional life. Good start for him in Thursday's preseason opener.
     
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    i disagree with moore, cannon, brace, levoir, warren, lockett, and yeatman (PS maybe?)

    get rid of sergio brown, slater, love,
     
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    My guess - add Pryor and Moore, cut Ellis and Wright (ir'd ?).  Faulk retires, opens a spot for someone else, probably an OL (Cannon).
     
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    I am surprised people are saying cut Slater.
     
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    slater is strictly a special teams guy, he has almost no value as a WR,, which is a loaded position. there are way to many talented players on this roster who would be cut if he got a roster spot.  does anyone think slater is more valueable than moore, cannon, brace, levoir, warren, lockett, or yeatman?
     
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    i think moore makes the team
     
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    [QUOTE]I am surprised people are saying cut Slater.
    Posted by NYPat[/QUOTE]

    I think the reasoning is that Slater is essentially a gunner only on ST's. So if someone was to be cut he has one of the least visible roles on the team. So it might come down to White vs Slater and I think most people feel White has a bigger upside.

    Nate - going by that list if you cut Brown you basically have 3 S's going into the season which BB would never do. Do you have somebody you'd replace Brown with? Besides the way Meriweather has looked so far this pre-season Browns out played him for a spot but we both know Meri won't be released for good reason. Traded maybe but not released

    I'm thinking:

    Faulk, Brace, Deadrick on 6 week PuP with Cannon on 6 week then moved to IR.

    They only keep 4 RB's to start the season with Faulk as a backup in case someone gets injured

    Players on his list I think get cut:

    Tate - a number of factors come into play here. Brady's trust in Tate has steadily declined and Tate hasn't given a reason for it to improve. As a KR he has potential but with the new kick off rules it has limited that role. If Price can show a pension for returning kicks Tate's days may be numbered

    White - White is a great special teams player but given other options on OLB it comes down to him or Slater as the Izzo role on ST's Slater to me is just a better gunner

    That adds 3 spots off his list. So, the players I would add:

    Warren, Moore: Obvious reasons

    Yeatman - This guy was more impressive then Smith both in blocking and catching. Now I think Smith will be the overall better blocker coming out of camp but BB likes Yeatman a lot and provided he can continue showing the same thing he showed Thursday night he's a player you make room for because he won't make it through waivers to get to the practice squad

    players he listed on the 53 I think are on the bubble:

    Wright - People are going to kill me on this one but hear me out. With Carter, Ellis, Anderson, Moore, and Brace possibly coming off the 6 week PuP you have 4-5 guys all competing for that pass rushing role. Wright knows the system better but having a sever concussion hurts his chances to come back. It's well known that players are more susceptible to concussions, esp after sever one's, so Wright has less chance of lasting the full season no matter how sad it would be to see him leave.

    Butler - It comes down to Butler or Wilhite and Butler is younger but really he's on the bubble

    Edelman - He slightly bets out Tate to be on the roster for better versatility but it really could be one or the other

    Slater - As with Butler and Edelman it comes down to Slater or White
     
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    [QUOTE]slater is strictly a special teams guy, he has almost no value as a WR,, which is a loaded position. there are way to many talented players on this roster who would be cut if he got a roster spot.  does anyone think slater is more valueable than moore, cannon, brace, levoir, warren, lockett, or yeatman?
    Posted by natesubs[/QUOTE]
    Slater made a good grab on a poorly thrown pass in the Jax game but more importantly he is the gunner on the ST and he usually makes his plays with that unit. My surprise cut is Tate if he doesn't start practicing soon he will be behind the proverbial eight ball again he's already dropped to no better than the 5th option and maybe even 6th option,depending on Edelman and Price's status one is Welker two is Branch and Ocho is in 3rd place and closing fast.
     
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    Moreover Slater has played Safety and played it well, having a guy that can play all 3 phases of the game is more impressive than Sergio Brown.  

    Also disagree with Moore being cut over Mark Anderson, Anderson and Andre Carter are essentially the same body type but Carter actually sacks people, Moore is big enough to play end in the 4/3 that people are raving about and is getting paid peanuts.

    Yeatman will stick, either on the practice squad or somewhere because he is a beast at Tightend who can probably double as an O Tackle.

    Rookies almost never get cut outright but will end up on the IR or practice squad.
     
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    SLATOR IS DEAD WEIGHT

    DISCLOSURE : Not a Slator fan ( never have been ) . Nothing personal - He seems like a great guy but I think he's only a good - but not great special teams player and his roster spot would be better served going to somebody else.
      I was surprised when BB traded UP to get him and have scratched my head evry year when he makes the final cut ( last season he was hurt almost the entire camp and still somehow managed to hold down a roster spot ) 
     He gets 100 chances a year to make a big play and I honestly can't think of one where you go "Wow ...now I see why he's a Patriot "
     ( His 40 yard catch Thurs. may have been the first time Ive seen his athleticism really stand out )
      I know I must have missed a highlight or two of his along the way ...
    but to my knowledge -no such video conformation exists .

    ANYBODY ?

    Note:  I sight the following because I've noticed that a few print accounts of the Jax game erroneously give kudos to a Slator play.
     
      On a 1st half punt - Slator is acknowledged as making a nice tackle on a Jax punt returner but when I backed it up to review it , it's actually the rookie corner Malcolm Williams making the real play. Williams is a guy who was heralded as being a great College special teamer and he explodes under the punt returner and sends him into sprawlin' into the oncoming Slator -who just raps up the already falling returner ( Though the clueless Don Criqui and Randy Cross missed it - Im sure Scott O'Brien and BB know what's what )

     If Malcolm Williams continues to shine on ST's ...maybe this is the year Slator goes bye bye ( then again if he keeps hauling in 40 yard passes - he might be a Pat for another 10 years )
     
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    APpats2 ... Hernandez worked out today in part with the Wrs (Sat practice )

     Juz sayin'.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Patriots Roster Prediction by Jeff Howe of NESN. Any thoughts? : I think the reasoning is that Slater is essentially a gunner only on ST's. So if someone was to be cut he has one of the least visible roles on the team. So it might come down to White vs Slater and I think most people feel White has a bigger upside. Nate - going by that list if you cut Brown you basically have 3 S's going into the season which BB would never do. Do you have somebody you'd replace Brown with? Besides the way Meriweather has looked so far this pre-season Browns out played him for a spot but we both know Meri won't be released for good reason. Traded maybe but not released I'm thinking: Faulk, Brace, Deadrick on 6 week PuP with Cannon on 6 week then moved to IR. They only keep 4 RB's to start the season with Faulk as a backup in case someone gets injured Players on his list I think get cut: Tate - a number of factors come into play here. Brady's trust in Tate has steadily declined and Tate hasn't given a reason for it to improve. As a KR he has potential but with the new kick off rules it has limited that role. If Price can show a pension for returning kicks Tate's days may be numbered White - White is a great special teams player but given other options on OLB it comes down to him or Slater as the Izzo role on ST's Slater to me is just a better gunner That adds 3 spots off his list. So, the players I would add: Warren, Moore: Obvious reasons Yeatman - This guy was more impressive then Smith both in blocking and catching. Now I think Smith will be the overall better blocker coming out of camp but BB likes Yeatman a lot and provided he can continue showing the same thing he showed Thursday night he's a player you make room for because he won't make it through waivers to get to the practice squad players he listed on the 53 I think are on the bubble: Wright - People are going to kill me on this one but hear me out. With Carter, Ellis, Anderson, Moore, and Brace possibly coming off the 6 week PuP you have 4-5 guys all competing for that pass rushing role. Wright knows the system better but having a sever concussion hurts his chances to come back. It's well known that players are more susceptible to concussions, esp after sever one's, so Wright has less chance of lasting the full season no matter how sad it would be to see him leave. Butler - It comes down to Butler or Wilhite and Butler is younger but really he's on the bubble Edelman - He slightly bets out Tate to be on the roster for better versatility but it really could be one or the other Slater - As with Butler and Edelman it comes down to Slater or White
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    eng,


    you got my comments before i can post them.

    faulk tate and white for

    "That adds 3 spots off his list. So, the players I would add:

    Warren, Moore: Obvious reasons

    Yeatman

    we need extra dl and these guys have proved so far
    like to carry an extra te
     
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    [QUOTE]Moreover Slater has played Safety and played it well, having a guy that can play all 3 phases of the game is more impressive than Sergio Brown.   Also disagree with Moore being cut over Mark Anderson, Anderson and Andre Carter are essentially the same body type but Carter actually sacks people, Moore is big enough to play end in the 4/3 that people are raving about and is getting paid peanuts. Yeatman will stick, either on the practice squad or somewhere because he is a beast at Tightend who can probably double as an O Tackle. Rookies almost never get cut outright but will end up on the IR or practice squad.
    Posted by wozzy[/QUOTE]

    hey wozzy,

    exACTLY ON ALL 3 POINTS!

    "Yeatman will stick, either on the practice squad or somewhere because he is a beast at Tightend who can probably double as an O Tackle."

    My thoughts too.
     
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    7 wide receivers seems like a lot considering Hernandez and the way we split out our RB's on a regular basis. One of those guys is gone and I think it will probably be Tate or Slater. Also I was thinking one more defensive lineman. I think Warren will probably make the team. We probably haven't seen the last of the patriots signings or trades either. They should still be looking to add depth at positions where they feel weak.
     
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    any player currently on pup gives pats roster flexibility....(5 players)  guaranteed love makes first 53... he is a keeper...katula is a bubble player

    two much time left to predict first 53 with injuris and potential trades...
    prior deadrick and brace will make team as well...
     
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    I like both Myron Pryor and Love in DL; they bring youth and depth to an aging front.  Brace will be gone if not sheltered on PUP.
     
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    Interesting insights

    Am i dreaming or is there a lot more talent
    than the last few years?

    Does endelman get a nod because he is the closest in talent
    to Welker in style?

    I am a little lost on how the pUp list works for the begining of the season?
    Is the IR list still 6 games?

    The other part of this calculus is who do we think we can get to the practice squad?- - What is the list of those eleible??


    A Pat Fan lonely in Jet Land
     
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    [QUOTE]Huge flaw in his analysis is if you are running more 4-3, you need 4-3 and 3-4 DL sets. 7? That's ludicrous.  He'll keep at least 8, maybe 9.  Possibly 10.  He had 11 last year and that was with an almost exclusive 3-4 where you technically would carry more LBs, not more DL. If you run a 4-3 and 3-4, you'll need more than 7 just even for back ups in spots (DE/DT/OLB). Mark Anderson, Andre Carter, Shaun Ellis, Albert Haynesworth, Kyle Love, Vince Wilfork, Mike Wright, Pryor, Gerard Warren.  Gerard Warren is the only question, but since they signed him so late, it's pretty clear he's here for stability and he is really cheap. I am not saying he won't be here, but it seems pointless to just have him in as a camp body when he waited for the dust to clear. That tells me he's on the team barring some injury or lack of effort. BB wants to run a 4-3 and 3-4.  Brace is PUP'd. Deaderick is cut as is Weston, RIchard, et al. Pryor has been beastly (his words) per Bedard since practicing.  No way the ditch a future fixture at 4-3 DT with pass rush abilty down the middle. That's one flaw in the analysis. I would need to something from Malcolm Williams in nickel or dime before bouncing Wilhite or Butler, but even if he does a little there, he's the last CB on the roster, in my opinion. He has STs value and played Safety a bit, too. I hangve been rooting for him to be the dime guy, because I think he may have more upside than what we've seen from Butler or Wilhite.  WHen you have Arrington as  the nickel, a young Dowling learning as he adjusts, I am not sure it's necessary to carry Wilhite and/or Butler's contracts. As for Slater, they apparently love him and he is quite good in a Kasim Osgood sort of way. And he too, has been given emergency looks at Safety. Not saying it's a huge deal, but Slater does have value with how cheap he is. You have to look at what the players who compete with each other, their total skill set and their cost. Everything else looks pretty good.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing[/QUOTE]


    Completely agree with Russ on the DL numbers. I think we are more likely to see 9 or even 10 DL given more 4+man lines. I like your list for DL Russ. Brace goes PUP, possibly IR after week 6 depending how that 9 man DL list you put together holds up. If they are all healthy, either BRace goes IR, or they send someoen else there (other position), and maybe activate Brace.

    I'd feel better about Dowling if I could see him practice and play. Any chance he gets pup'd til week 6? It seems as bad as Wilhite/Butler are, at least you know what your getting...unlike Dowling..is an unknown Dowling better than a "proven" Wilhite/Butler?

    I also want to see Malcolm Williams make the team. Great ST player, and I think worst case he is or has potential to provide decent CB / Safety depth. That is more valuable (if Dowling is good to go), than carrying dead weight like Bulter/Wilhite. All depends on Dowling for me.
     
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