Re: Patriots signing Michael Jenkins
posted at 3/28/2013 10:37 PM EDT
In response to PatsEng's comment:
In response to Low-FB-IQ's comment:
There was talk that Moss might not even make the team. That his legs were finished, etc. back then. I am simply saying there are the same question marks. No one knew the 2007 was going to roll up all those points just as they did not know they would fall on their face in the post season.
Amendola having 63 catches, 4 fewer than welker while playing in 5 fewer games is a good and more impressive thing in my opinion not a red flag concern. Injuries happen. Welker had a season ending injury as well in his career. ...just had the luck of timing. He blows out his knee in wk 1 rather than wk 17 and peoples perception of his durability drastically changes. The argument can be made that games played are less relevent to injury proness than the timing of when the injuries occur.
Guys like David Nelson played 1 game last season. Greg Jennings only played in 8. Both of them fewer than Danny Amendola or Donald Jones played in last season.
People are looking to this years draft and checking out shuttle times, 3 cone times and production. They would be wise to remind themselves of Jeremy Eberts numbers in this regard as well. A 4.38 40yd dash, 6.70 3-cone, 4.15 SS. 2400 yards, 21 TD's, 14yd avg. Does he make a jump in yr two and contribute? No idea. Fans just write him off so quickly however. I am not sure but didn't he have to join the team late because of the weird school rule or somehting at Northwestern? or am I thinking of someone else?
Fans should also remember even the greatest ones do not come in the league and tear it up their rookie seasons generally speaking. Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, and AJ Green had like 50-60 catches their rookie seasons I think. Not 90+. So even if the Pats drafted Hopkins, Rogers, Bailey, etc, just what realistic "big" impact do you think they will have on the team? I have no idea.
With so many worrying that this will be 2006 all over again. I would simply remind some that at least in 2006 NE had the #1 scoring offense in the post season and scored 28 points in their loss. Unlike the offenses who everyone is worried we are stepping back from that have only managed 14, 17, 13 in the season ending losses of late.
Anyone who said that about Moss was fooling themselves. Moss played and started all 13 games he wasn't benched and whe he wanted to play clearly still had his speed and could generate separation. Huge difference between Moss and Amendola, Moss clearly didn't care but still had his ability Amendola can't stay on the field to give effort. If Amendola was the 4th or 5th WR like Nelson would be the injury issues would be an issue at all because we wouldn't have to worry about what he gives, that's a huge difference there with Nelson. It's simply your top 2 WR's right now have major injury issues and I'd complain if Nelson was in there instead of Jones too because you still don't have a stable durable WR.
I mean really you even mention Ebert and then mention that list of guys after him? BTW he only missed rook camp not the entire preseason. I know a rook most likely won't make a big difference but that should concern you even more that a draft pick won't make a difference with this weak WR core
Eng if you say you knew for a fact that Moss was going to revert back 4 or 5 seasons to form, and never quit on his team then kudos to you. I will take your word for it. I do not think I was fooling myself and frankly liked the deal but it was just hope and a WHOLE lot of questions in my mind. Moss had not caught more than 60 passes in three straight seasons. It was not just one year. He had quit on both the Vikings AND Raiders. So yeah I had questions of both how much he still had in the tank, if he would get the Patriots system , AND if he would fall in line and be a good soldier. That's three major questions going into 2007 on just one player.
It doesn't concern me about the rookies. I expect them to not make a big impact which is why I like the verterns they are signing and looking at.
Maybe Amendola will get hurt again, I have no idea. Until it happens I am not automatically assuming he will. Just as I am not assuming Welker will get hurt again and blow out his same or other knee while with the Broncos. Welkers injury was potentially worse for a WR than either of Amendolas upper body ones.
I just don't see the injury posibilities as any more concerning than the questions about the 2007 WR corp. The Moss ones I covered. No one had any clue IF Welker would get the Pats systems and fit well within it. It was a projection and huge question. Amendola has been around it and played in the same system under McD. Same questions regarding Stallworth going into 2007 and he also missed time the previous season with injury. You can also question if Jones will get the Patriots system but at least Jones played in a site adjustment offensive system in college. You can at least make and estimated projection to doing the same thing in NE.
They certainly have questions but more concerning or more of them than going into 2007? Not in my mind. It's all relative. Change brings questions, we have to wait and see. imo.
I guess my question would be is there someone in particular you really wanted the Patriots to go get at WR other than keeping Welker?