Pats Could Dominate AFC for Next Few Years

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    Pats Could Dominate AFC for Next Few Years

         For Pats fans still feeling big blue over the SB loss, there's this...the Pats could dominate the AFC over the next several years. Really...what AFC team is scary? There appears to be much fiercer competition in the NFC. The Pats' chief competitors now appear to be the Texans, Ravens, Steelers, and perhaps the up and coming Cincinnati Bengals.

         The team could use a top flight WR or RB. So...how 'bout going after restricted free agents Mike Wallace of the Steelers, or RB Arian Foster of the Texans? Both obviously would make the Pats' offense that much better. But, additionally, taking Wallace or Foster away from the Steelers or Texans would deal a blow to one of their chief rivals. 
        
     
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    I see them being one of the better teams in the league, but not dominating. In fact, NFL parity is at its zenith right now. Just look at the post season; practically every game was decided by a (un) fortunate bounce.
     
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    I agree adding a big play WR is a need.
    Disagree on RB. Like the group we have - lets see what they can do in their 2nd season. Would like to re-sign BJGE at the right price.
    Need some DB help either a saftey or Corner
    Need pass rushers.

     
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    I also agree adding a big play WR is paramount, and Wallace is the best of the group. Is he worth the 31ST PICK? I SAY YES.

    Rb is ok with BJGE brought back with the tallent we have it is time to see what Riddley and Vereen can do.

    We need help at CB/S

    We need help in front 7 defense mostly DE/OLB pass rushing focus.

    And one more addition Center.
     
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    I do not know why every one is still obsessed with adding to the offense. On that side of the ball they mostly need better game-planning and play-calling.

    This team needs depth at DL (especially if Anderson and/or Carter leaves) and LB (I feel like there needs to be a better guy off the bench than Tracy White). It still needs a real starting FS and another cornerback (even with Dowling). 

    To me the bigger concern on the offense is the line. If Light and Waters both retire, there are a lot of holes to fill. If the both stay, the Patriots still need an upgrade at Center.
     
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    SD will always be a threat, but probably can't get out of their own way.

    Houston is up and coming, losing Super Mario would hurt.

    Cincy is really right there...a coaching and attitude change would do them wonders.

    I'll never count out PIT, they're never down for more than a year or so, they are extremely well run, regardless of their current cap situation (letting Wallace go for a pick will only expedite their 'rebuild').

    Baltimore is also a team I expect to be a contender year in and year out.

    I would put the Pats at the top of that class though.

    This is the NFL with very good parity, and yearly "worst to first" stories.

    It is nice being a Pats fan, able to figure they'll be in the mix every year. Quite a change from years past.
     
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    I'd say the Patriots are dominating the AFC at present. Five of the last eleven SBs. And another trip to the AFCCG. The only thing missing from the offense is a WR who can outrun coverage and force defenses to commit a safety deep. Of course, the OL will always need fresh bodies, especially if both Light and Waters retire. Their biggest need, though, is on defense. If the D could just make a key stop at the end (like they used to with Willie, Tedy, and Rodney) they would have five rings now. Possibly six, as a stop in Indy in that AFCCG would have put them in the SB against the Bears, who were intent on giving the ball up in the big game! Want to hurt some competition? They should sign Mario from the Texans. The Steelers will lost Wallace, but that won't devastate them. A good pass rush would make the secondary look a lot better. They could also use a safety, someone who can direct the secondary. Like the O, you also need to keep bringing in new blood on the line. But if they hope to beat the NFC's best they need to play better defense. Power seems to be shifting to the other conference now, and a lot of those teams are more balanced across the board. IMO they need to make these improvements quickly, as at 35 Brady doesn't have another 10 years left.
     
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    [QUOTE]I do not know why every one is still obsessed with adding to the offense. On that side of the ball they mostly need better game-planning and play-calling. This team needs depth at DL (especially if Anderson and/or Carter leaves) and LB (I feel like there needs to be a better guy off the bench than Tracy White). It still needs a real starting FS and another cornerback (even with Dowling).  To me the bigger concern on the offense is the line. If Light and Waters both retire, there are a lot of holes to fill. If the both stay, the Patriots still need an upgrade at Center.
    Posted by FrnkBnhm[/QUOTE]


    I think defense is a much larger concern than offense, but that doesn't mean we don't have places to improve on the offense too.  I don't think the "problems" (as much as there are problems) on offense are purely the result of game planning and play calling.  In fact, I think the game planning and play calling is what it is precisely because of the limits of the talent.  Get better wideouts and better running backs and the game plan will be more diverse.  I think Pats fans sometimes get hypnotized into believing that players like Edelman and BJGE and Woodhead and even, to some extent, Welker are great players, when really those players do well in large part because Belichick is a master at creating schemes and game plans that allow guys with odd or incomplete skills to thrive by making the most of the skills they do have.  

    In my opinion, improving the talent on defense is essential to making the Pats a truly dominant team. But adding a quality wideout (not a slot receiver or a hybrid TE) and a better running back (who can also catch and who has the speed to get around the edge) would make a good offense almost unstoppable. If they can do this while still improving the defense, why not?  It's going to take two or three years to get the defense where it needs to be.  The offense could be made better with the addition of just one or two players.  So why not do that?

    There are possible issues with the offensive line, particularly if Volmer's injury is persistant and Light retires.  If, however, Volmer is okay, I think we can get by at tackle with him, Solder, and Canon (though keeping Light for another season would be nice).  Interior line does have some question marks, but if Waters and either Connolly or Koppen are back those problems aren't quite so pressing. And there are a bunch of free agents available this year that could help if we can't sign any of those three.  


     
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    I think it really comes down to Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New England, and Houston. San Diego will always have a chance because they have a QB, but it appears that Indy is now out of the equation (because they lost theirs). You might add Cincy to the list.

    Really as long as we have Belichick and Brady together we will always have a puncher's chance and be able to overcome deficiencies in our defense and draft mistakes...those two guys cover up for a lot.

    Houston really scares me with that defense and they're young - if their QB could of stayed healthy they may of won the whole thing. I can't think of too many teams that can lose their best player on offense and defense...then go out and out play Baltimore in a playoff game, only to lose because their back up QB threw the ball up for grabs 4 times.

    Of course the NFL is funny, you never know what's going to happen - really the only thing consistent has been us and Pittsburgh.
     
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    We need to stop being the Colts before we dominate. We dont play smash mouth enough for me. We should be able to pound the ball and make the other teams receivers not want to go over the middle.

    Granted we have been to half the superbowls in the last 10. Bone head plays IMHO have cost us. The O's job is to get a first down and the D a 3 and out. Not enough 3 and outs for me on the D this year. We need to get more physical.
     
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    In Response to Re: Pats Could Dominate AFC for Next Few Years:
    [QUOTE]I think it really comes down to Pittsburgh, Baltimore, New England, and Houston. San Diego will always have a chance because they have a QB, but it appears that Indy is now out of the equation (because they lost theirs). You might add Cincy to the list. Really as long as we have Belichick and Brady together we will always have a puncher's chance and be able to overcome deficiencies in our defense and draft mistakes...those two guys cover up for a lot. Houston really scares me with that defense and they're young - if their QB could of stayed healthy they may of won the whole thing. I can't think of too many teams that can lose their best player on offense and defense...then go out and out play Baltimore in a playoff game, only to lose because their back up QB threw the ball up for grabs 4 times. Of course the NFL is funny, you never know what's going to happen - really the only thing consistent has been us and Pittsburgh.
    Posted by mthurl[/QUOTE]

    I'm not sure you can even say Pit anymore. Because of their cap situation they are already cleaning house. They've already released 5 key players who were leaders in the locker room. Last year they were hurting on depth and now they are losing even more. Even after all the releases and restructures (that could hurt them even more moving forward) they might only be 10+mil under the cap at this point. You have to figure 5mil for the draft so they have 5mil to sign depth, their FA's, and try to match anything that a team might toss on for Wallace? Pit's taking the same turn the Jets took last season and both teams are on the downfall.

    Balt, Hou, and maybe SD might be the teams to watch moving forward

     
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    IMO the D needs more work then the O. But, on the O I'm hoping Ridley getting more reps will help the running game. They do need to get more smash mouth football back and the running game needs to be respected enough that they can be trusted to close a game out. The Pats do need tweaking with the WR's. They are too similar and too inside. They need a player who can make plays outside the numbers which doesn't always mean a deep threat.

    On D just look at the depth chart. They are missing 2 starters on the DL, 1 missing starter in the LB core and 1-2 starters missing in the DB core. There is also a lack of reliable depth in the DB core, LB core, and DL. They need some major work on all three levels on the D. The good news is that they have a ton of cap space and 5 picks in the 1st 3 rounds so they should have plenty of opportunities to care care of both sides of the ball and find the ST's a returner
     
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    The good news is that they have a ton of cap space and 5 picks in the 1st 3 rounds so they should have plenty of opportunities to care care of both sides of the ball and find the ST's a returner

    +1  
     
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    [QUOTE]I do not know why every one is still obsessed with adding to the offense. On that side of the ball they mostly need better game-planning and play-calling. This team needs depth at DL (especially if Anderson and/or Carter leaves) and LB (I feel like there needs to be a better guy off the bench than Tracy White). It still needs a real starting FS and another cornerback (even with Dowling).  To me the bigger concern on the offense is the line. If Light and Waters both retire, there are a lot of holes to fill. If the both stay, the Patriots still need an upgrade at Center.
    Posted by FrnkBnhm[/QUOTE]

    So BB is the reason for the failure? LOL 
     
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    [QUOTE]IMO the D needs more work then the O. But, on the O I'm hoping Ridley getting more reps will help the running game. They do need to get more smash mouth football back and the running game needs to be respected enough that they can be trusted to close a game out. The Pats do need tweaking with the WR's. They are too similar and too inside. They need a player who can make plays outside the numbers which doesn't always mean a deep threat. On D just look at the depth chart. They are missing 2 starters on the DL, 1 missing starter in the LB core and 1-2 starters missing in the DB core. There is also a lack of reliable depth in the DB core, LB core, and DL. They need some major work on all three levels on the D. The good news is that they have a ton of cap space and 5 picks in the 1st 3 rounds so they should have plenty of opportunities to care care of both sides of the ball and find the ST's a returner
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    I think that's a pretty accurate list of needs, Eng.  To fill all those holes, they'll need to pull in a few decent free agents as well as use those draft picks.  I'd like to see them be a bit more aggressive in free agency this year than they have in the past, bringing in a four or five guys who are likely starters and not just filler.  



     
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    I agree... the Pats will likely dominate the AFC for the next few years.

    I also agree with the general thoughts that the O would be helped by a solid upgrade over Branch/Ocho especially with some speed. Also they need to upgrade the running game. The thing there is they may already have that on the roster with Vereen and with Ridley if he can hold on to the ball.

    But I also agree with many that it is the D that is EASILY the area that requires the most umprovement. Certainly pass rush remains a need. But I think the way to look at how to improve the D is to look at areas. The middle of the D is a solid core. They need real improvements on the edges. This starts with the front 7. And the improvement needed is NOT simply getting a pass rusher. The Pats need and shuold get some 3 down playmakers, not specialists. A 3 down DE that is solid against the run and with pass rush. A 3 down OLB that is solid setting the edge and with a pass rush. Playmakers that can do it on 1st and 3rd down. Short and long yardage. Players that can be used to beat any package fielded by an offense.  Add to that an upgrade in the deep zone and in man to man.

    I would love to see the addition of a RB (now on the roster or not) and a very good WR that can make the reads Brady requires even more than he has speed. But the D is the key.

    Imagine a team where Brady does not feel like his play is life or death to the team. That he doesn't have to carry the team. He won't have to try to make plays he is less good at. And the team will be able to win games three ways.

    The Pats were better in 2011 than 2010 (even though they won 14 in 2010). I think this year will likely be the best team since 2007 and maybe better than 2007 (though I hardly expect 16 wins in the regular season).
     
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    If they fix the D, I think you are correct. If they go for another WR to "take the top off the opposing D" then they will dominate in the regular season and fall short in the post season. In other words, welcome to the new Colts if they go for a WR.

    Does anyone really want that? The New England Colts? I don't. I want the Pats to go back to having a D that can get the best QB in the league, one that won superbowls with that all time great, "take the top off the opposing D", receiver David Givens, a few more meaningful series during the game than the opponent.
     
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    Nice but I want to dominate a couple more SB's
     
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    The owner, the coach and the NFL's best scouting system are all in place for a long run.  Part of the Patriots' strategy, trading out until next year, will continue to pay dividends in 2012.  As a rule, the Patriots get more sweet spot draft picks than anybody else.  Call it parity if you like.

    Tom Brady won't last forever but he looks upright right now.  He could keep going to age 40 if no one stops him.  Below Brady are a couple of question marks, but no one has evidence that the question marks can't run the team.

    Brady has good receivers now.  He'll have receivers for a while.

    The offensive line is quick and highly intelligent, exactly what BB wants.  They don't allow many sacks. They will be around for a while.
     

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