"Pats D will keep them in the Super Bowl discussion" Great article

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    "Pats D will keep them in the Super Bowl discussion" Great article

    The New England Patriots earned their most impressive win of the season last Sunday, but the joy of a hard-fought victory was quickly marred by the solemn news that nose tackle Vince Wilfork was finished for the season with a torn Achilles. 

    But even in the face of this grim development, a collective sense of urgency remains in New England. The Patriots have something to prove.

    While the other 4-0 teams (Saints, Broncos, Chiefs and Seahawks) have given us some dazzling performances this season, the Patriots really haven't given us anything dazzling. The Patriots are the lone unbeaten team that has yet to give us a taste of what their best football looks like. 

    And yet, for a team that hasn't shown much, the Patriots have somehow carried themselves to a 4-0 record. That's an insane achievement.

    It's a testament to their physical and cerebral defense, the likes of which hasn't been seen in New England for quite a while. It's a strong, gritty defense which will keep the Patriots in the Super Bowl discussion.

    Really, the discussion begins with cornerback Aqib Talib.

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    Now playing on a one-year contract, Talib's been silencing the league's best receivers with shutdown skills of a supreme nature. Through four games, he's accumulated 10 tackles, one forced fumble, seven passes defended (four against the Falcons) and a league-high four interceptions.

    Talib's finest moment came last week against the Falcons in the Georgia Dome. Late in the game, the Patriots were clinging to a one-score lead at 30-23. Quarterback Matt Ryan was driving hard, but he was unable to score on three straight plays.

    On fourth down with 41 seconds left in the ballgame, Ryan rocketed a surefire touchdown to wide receiver Roddy White. Talib broke it up in stunning fashion  

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    Talib's playmaking ability, in conjunction with his physicality and his swagger, certainly bring to mind former Patriots cornerback Ty Law. But on that fourth-down pass breakup against Matt Ryan and Roddy White, it's the memory of another legend which comes to the forefront.

    That legend is former Patriots linebacker Willie McGinest.

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    Against the Colts in Week 13 of the 2003 season, the Patriots were hanging onto a slim 38-34 lead with 1:09 left in the game.

    Quarterback Peyton Manning was driving hard at New England's goal line. On three straight plays, he walked away empty-handed. On fourth down, Colts running back Edgerrin James took the handoff and ran. McGinest got an arm around his legs and pulled him down at the 1-yard line to secure New England's victory.

    ESPN writer John Clayton referred to that moment as "The stop heard 'round the NFL." 

    Ten years later, one could use the same expression to describe Talib's fourth-down stop in the Georgia Dome. And just as McGinest's stop became a defining play for the 2003 Patriots, Talib's stop has become a defining play for the 2013 Patriots.

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    The beauty of Talib is he thrives on tough competition. He and his secondary prevented Buffalo receiver Stevie Johnson, Tampa Bay receiver Vincent Jackson and Atlanta receiver Julio Jones from taking over three big games. He also intercepted Jets quarterback Geno Smith twice and forced a fumble in a big divisional game.

    That's what Talib does. The better the opposing receivers, the better his defensive skills. That's the mark of an elite player. This guy doesn't want four victories; he wants a ring. 

    And right now, he's leading a defense that's given up a mere 57 total points to its opponents; that's only 10 points more than what Seattle's "unstoppable" defense has given up.

    A ton of credit also goes to the defensive line.

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    Sophomore defensive end Chandler Jones has three sacks and eight quarterback hits. Rookie defensive end Michael Buchanan has two sacks and four quarterback hits; look for him to flash more stud tendencies as the season unfolds. 

    Undrafted rookie defensive tackle Joe Vellano sacked Matt Ryan in the third quarter, pushing the Falcons from 1st-and-10 to 2nd-and-23. Look for Vellano to take on a bigger role in Wilfork's absence. Same goes for linebacker Brandon Spikes and defensive linemen Marcus Forston, A.J. Francis and Chris Jones. 

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    Veteran defensive tackle Tommy Kelly has assumed an Andre Carter-type role in his first season with the team. He's a beast and a leader, with the sort of old-school, dramatic toughness that you see in vintage NFL Films from the '70s and '80s.

    Kelly's 1.5 sack total doesn't properly illustrate the extent to which he's affected the decision-making of opposing quarterbacks. He's notched five quarterback hits, and he's consistently worn down slingers all year with excellent pressure.

    Kelly creates the sort of mayhem that a stat sheet doesn't register. In that sense, he's a lot like fallen warrior Vince Wilfork; you need to watch him play to understand his worth. 

    He played 59 of 76 snaps against the Falcons and helped to make Matt Ryan's night absolutely miserable. 

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    Overall, between the studs and the near-studs, this is a defense to believe in.

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    The loss of Wilfork is a big blow to the team, no doubt about it. But remember, this is a team that doesn't draw its power or swagger from any one man. The proof came in 2008, when Tom Brady went down in the first game and backup quarterback Matt Cassel still led the team to 11 victories.

    This is a team built to endure the worst-case scenario. They abide by a "next man up" mentality, from the quarterback to the defensive backs to the receivers to the defensive linemen.

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    Also, keep in mind this entire team is in the process of discovering itself. The offense gets most of the scrutiny after the drastic overhaul, but this defense is just as new.

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    We talk about Chandler Jones as if he's a veteran, but really it's only his second season in the league. It's Talib's first full season with the team. Same goes for Tommy Kelly. Michael Buchanan and cornerback Logan Ryan are rookies. Sophomore linebacker Dont'a Hightower has barely scratched the surface of his ability.

    There's so much from this defense we haven't seen yet. They're still getting to know each other.

    As much of a shock as it is to lose Wilfork, it's coming at a time when the Patriots are more than accustomed to shock. They're prepared for it. This whole season was destined to be a year of shock and awe and change, with or without Wilfork's injury. 

    Sitting pretty at 4-0, this they can handle.

    Here's one other thought, on a somewhat tangential note which I'll bring full circle. It has to do with all the attention the high-powered Broncos are receiving.  

    Last Monday, ESPN insider Adam Schefter joined Dennis and Callahan's radio program to discuss Denver's dominance, saying:

    Just think back to what you saw in 2007 [with the Patriots], you saw an unstoppable force, you saw a team that you knew was going to chew up and spit out the opposition every single Sunday, you saw a team that could not be stopped, could not be slowed, a team that was going to put up numbers, stats, yards, everything, and Denver is the same kind of offensive outfit right now. I don't know how you stop them.

    What's [Manning] thrown? [16 touchdown passes and no interceptions] If he throws an incomplete pass, it's a rarity. The football doesn't touch the ground.

    There are so many guys [who can beat you]. You wanna take away [receiver] Demaryius Thomas? No problem, [receiver] Wes Welker beats you. You wanna take away Wes Welker? No problem, [receiver] Eric Decker beats you. Wanna take away Decker? No problem, [tight end] Julius Thomas beats you. You wanna take those guys away? The running backs are good enough to be able to run the ball. 

    It looks like, right now, they can't be slowed down.

    Someone at some point will be able to take them on, I'm sure, circumstances change as the year goes on, injuries happen, dynamics change, but right now, they look unbeatable.

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    What Schefter said is true. But it's the last part of what he said which is truest. Someone will to take them on. Circumstances do change. 

    The 2001 Patriots hacked their way through the regular season and the playoffs with a backup quarterback and stopped the unstoppable Rams in the Super Bowl.

    The 2007 Patriots finished with a 16-0 record and looked absolutely unbeatable until they were beaten in the Super Bowl. The 2007 Giants, who finished at 10-6 and were led by a quarterback who threw 20 interceptions, were the ones who won that Lombardi Trophy.

    The 2011 Giants, who lost four straight games during the season and finished with a mediocre record of 9-7, won the Super Bowl again. 

    The amazing 2012 Broncos, led by a nearly flawless Peyton Manning, did not win a single playoff game. Prior to that, Manning led an unstoppable offense in Indianapolis for years, but he was regularly stopped when it mattered most and he only won one ring.

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    The point is, the NFL regular season is as misleading as it is thrilling. Looking unstoppable in Week 4 means nothing. Looking unstoppable at any point is meaningless, unless you're talking about the final few minutes or seconds of the Super Bowl. 

    At the end of the day, the Broncos are as dangerous as their 4-0 record insists, but the Patriots are even more dangerous than their 4-0 record insists. The reason is, we've seen the Broncos at their best, but we haven't glimpsed one iota of what this Patriots team is capable of. All we know is their defense is keeping them in the Super Bowl discussion.

    When Brady's offense catches up with the defense, this will be an extremely scary team.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1795847-why-the-new-england-patriots-defense-will-keep-them-in-the-super-bowl-discussion
     
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    Thats a good Read  man, thanks. The only gripe I have is comparing the Talib stop at the end of the game to the Willie Mac play to play to end the Colts game in 03. I still remember watching that. There was a rush I got when the play happened. The Talib play, while great in its own right had no where near the feel of the infamous Indy Goal line stance. I do believe we have a good a chance as anybody. Ive been saying it. All this adversity was needed. Weve been crusing through the regular season year after year and its got us nowhere.

    This team will be better for going through all of that. They are still facing adversity every week. This past week was Fork going out. Lets see how they respond this week. Gonna be another tough road game.

     also Horseface and his Broncos aint got chit on the 07 offense.

    "Take care of my B*tch, I may need her back in a couple years"

    Brady to Manning after Wes signed with Denver

     
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    Good read, thanks for posting.  It's all speculation since noone knows how things will turn out. Wilfork is gone for the season. Although the D stepped up in his absence last week - who knows if "overachieving" will be a lasting thing.  One can't expect Wilfork to be so easily replaced.
    Finally, Talib, altho playing well - has somewhat of a history of injuries.  I'm assuming he will get injured at some time during the regular season - and the whole dynamics of the secondary is different w/ Talib out. It's important that he be healthy come playoff time.

    If the defense continues to grow/improve during the season, and if the defense goes into the playoffs healthy - then the Patriots do have a chance to do some interesting things in the playoffs.

     

     
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    How dare you bring this positive article into this sea of negativity. Don't you understand misery loves company not this happy, us against the world outlook.......What this forum needs is a loss or two so all the negative Nellies can menstrate together and make a whine so loud it cracks babe's thick head.

     

    ..seriously. It's about time this D and BB gets credit. I have been bashing the Defensive Guru in BB since Rodney left but what ever is going on on the defensive side of the ball,(Matt Patricia) I'll take a double serving please. QB pressure, BLITZES, aggressive coverage not this take 5 yrds and we'll hope to tackle you B.S............ This board has been spoiled with such an amazing offensive show for so long, we've forgotten what great D looks like. This D isn't "great" yet, but they are playing great! I dont care if Brady goes back to dinking and dunking behind a strong running game ( followed by play action ) the rest of the season as long as this D becomes the heart and soul of this team.  BTW that is what won us our 3 SB's

    Thank you for the POSITIVE post!!!

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    Was this written by a patriots fan?

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    Yep

     

     
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    LMAO

     

    We beat teams with a combined 5-12 record, not a one of them with a winning record at this point, and now our D is SB bound? Ridiculous.

     

    Is there reason to feel some optimism? Sure. But pounding our chest about how elite we are is way premature.

     

     
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    LMAO

     

    We beat teams with a combined 5-12 record, not a one of them with a winning record at this point, and now our D is SB bound? Ridiculous.

     

    Is there reason to feel some optimism? Sure. But pounding our chest about how elite we are is way premature.

     



    good point babe.  It's hard to gauge the defense vs. the teams they have played thus far.  Maybe the perspective will be different 4-6 games from now.

     
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    LMAO

     

    We beat teams with a combined 5-12 record, not a one of them with a winning record at this point, and now our D is SB bound? Ridiculous.

     

    Is there reason to feel some optimism? Sure. But pounding our chest about how elite we are is way premature.

     

     



    good point babe.  It's hard to gauge the defense vs. the teams they have played thus far.  Maybe the perspective will be different 4-6 games from now.

     

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    Yeah, so far it is encouraging. I said last year Talib would solidify the D and he did. It's great to see signs that was not an aberration.

     
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    LMAO

    We beat teams with a combined 5-12 record, not a one of them with a winning record at this point, and now our D is SB bound? Ridiculous.

    Is there reason to feel some optimism? Sure. But pounding our chest about how elite we are is way premature.

     



    5-11 actually. Denver has beaten teams with a combined 4-12 record, by the way. Let's not get too giddy about anybody after 4 games.

     
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    LMAO

    We beat teams with a combined 5-12 record, not a one of them with a winning record at this point, and now our D is SB bound? Ridiculous.

    Is there reason to feel some optimism? Sure. But pounding our chest about how elite we are is way premature.

     

     



    5-11 actually. Denver has beaten teams with a combined 4-12 record, by the way. Let's not get too giddy about anybody after 4 games.

     

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    jets 2-2, bills 2-3, bucs 0-4, falcons, 1-3. That's 5-12.

     

    I didn't say a word about Denver; but their wins have all been blowouts, not squeakers.

     

     
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    LMAO

     

    We beat teams with a combined 5-12 record, not a one of them with a winning record at this point, and now our D is SB bound? Ridiculous.

     

    Is there reason to feel some optimism? Sure. But pounding our chest about how elite we are is way premature.

     




    I like what I've seen thus far, but any writer that makes some of the comparisons this guy made or downplayed Wilfork's injury like he did, is a moron. Plain and simple. The writer reminds me of the guy at the game who gets up to get a beer during a goal line stand..spills it over everyone on his way back...and then asks what happened. No matter what you tell him, he says "awesome!" and then gets up to get another. 

     
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    LMAO

     

    We beat teams with a combined 5-12 record, not a one of them with a winning record at this point, and now our D is SB bound? Ridiculous.

     

    Is there reason to feel some optimism? Sure. But pounding our chest about how elite we are is way premature.

     

     




    I like what I've seen thus far, but any writer that makes some of the comparisons this guy made or downplayed Wilfork's injury like he did, is a moron. Plain and simple. The writer reminds me of the guy at the game who gets up to get a beer during a goal line stand..spills it over everyone on his way back...and then asks what happened. No matter what you tell him, he says "awesome!" and then gets up to get another. 

     

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    Funny.  That comparison can be made about a "fan" who doesn't watch his team on Sunday Night Football in favor of a television drama.  And then chimes in to make remarks about the defense playing poorly on the drive in which he tuned into the game.  hmmm

     
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    LMAO

     

    We beat teams with a combined 5-12 record, not a one of them with a winning record at this point, and now our D is SB bound? Ridiculous.

     

    Is there reason to feel some optimism? Sure. But pounding our chest about how elite we are is way premature.

     

     

     




    I like what I've seen thus far, but any writer that makes some of the comparisons this guy made or downplayed Wilfork's injury like he did, is a moron. Plain and simple. The writer reminds me of the guy at the game who gets up to get a beer during a goal line stand..spills it over everyone on his way back...and then asks what happened. No matter what you tell him, he says "awesome!" and then gets up to get another. 

     

     




    Funny.  That comparison can be made about a "fan" who doesn't watch his team on Sunday Night Football in favor of a television drama.  And then chimes in to make remarks about the defense playing poorly on the drive in which he tuned into the game.  hmmm

     




    My God, you kind of creeped me out there a bit. Yes I did record the game so I could finish the series finale of Breaking Bad, I then watched the rest of the game...I mean Breaking Bad is pretty good. I didn't want to wake up the next morning and hear all about it on sports talk radio (which they talked about nearly as much as the game on Monday...and still were on Thursday).

     
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    The Patriots have the pieces this season with an ever improving D and an offense that will be far better come December.  Losing big Vince is a blow but there are only 3-4 irreplaceable Pats: TFB, Talib, and Gronk, probably Chandler as well. As long as they are healthy BB can scheme and dictate matchups with all the other pieces as interchangeable cogs in the machine because of the match up advantages those players give us.

    I am excited to see the youngsters grow into pros later in the season.  By the bye Thompkins, Dobson and Boyce should be contributing weekly and making some big plays for us (they already are) and I think that top pick Collins will be a force once he learns this intricate and demanding defense.  Harmon and Ryan should be better too and able to contribute more as well.  If Amendola  can stay healthy and the line does their job the Patriots will also be fielding a prolific offense in January so hell yeah I'm excited. 

    Fan or not that was a good read that was based in a 4-0 reality.

     
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    I think you can work your way through that article and find fault with a point here and certain emphasis there, however, the overall theme is one of optimism about a team where there was more than a little element of doubt.  4-0 is 4-0.  A loss is no less of a loss if it is by 2 points or 20.  In that same sense a win is no less of a win.  How many times have you heard coaches and players across the league talk about how tough it is to win in the NFL?  Have the Pats been tested by so-called 'elite' teams yet?  No but they will be at which point we will see.

     
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    This article was written by someone who doesn't watch the games. 

    Losing Wilfork won't be easy to deal with. Also, if Talib goes down for any reason it creates a domino effect that takes our defense down several notches. So we're highly dependent on his continued health. 

    Then, we've played crummy teams with bad offenses. Except Atlanta and there we have "Matty ice." Pleaaze. 

    I watched the games and saw many occasions where receivers were open and opposing QBs couldn't get them the ball or didn't see them, as the QBs we were playing stunk or were greenhorns. 

    Look, I like how our D looks, but we're going to need some help from the offense too if we want to advance. This is not the Blue Curtain.

         
     
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    on AFC play book sharpe kept repeating that the pats do more with less than anybody, he said it every time they reviewed this game, And he was especially effusive about TB
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     It's still early, they haven't played enough good offenses to be truly tested, and the injury to Wilfork has to be a concern, but this defense seems to be playing at a level we haven't seen in Foxboro for several years now.  I've said it many times since preseason, but I think this team may be the most talented we've had since the great 2007 team.  On defense I think that's already evident.  On offense, it will take time for the rookie talent to develop and for the many injured players to come back, but I think as we approach season end (barring any more serious injuries) the offense could be as productive as it has been the past few years, but with greater diversity of skills and therefore a better ability to attack the entire field and present different looks to the defense. 

     
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    This D better be good cause teams will now run between the tackles. Mayo, spikes and Hightower better kick it up a notch cause here it comes.  Starting Sunday the bengals love to run. 

     

     

    Now you got the easy part done telling me about it.

    Does that handshaped bruise on your back hurt?

     
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    This article was written by someone who doesn't watch the games. 

    Losing Wilfork won't be easy to deal with. Also, if Talib goes down for any reason it creates a domino effect that takes our defense down several notches. So we're highly dependent on his continued health. 

    Then, we've played crummy teams with bad offenses. Except Atlanta and there we have "Matty ice." Pleaaze. 

    I watched the games and saw many occasions where receivers were open and opposing QBs couldn't get them the ball or didn't see them, as the QBs we were playing stunk or were greenhorns. 

    Look, I like how our D looks, but we're going to need some help from the offense too if we want to advance. This is not the Blue Curtain.

         




    +10000

     

    Too many times, I saw NO defenders in the picture.  Was thinking of upgrading to a 80" screen to get a glimpse of one.

    Atlanta:  Talib, 4 PD and 1 pick.

    The rest of the DB's ZERO

    Talib, 4 picks on the year, rest ZERO.

    Mat Ryan, career day

    137 y.o. Gonzalez, career day.  After 1 million games, he has a CAREER DAY????  UGH

    Seeing too much of the same ol', same' ol, with 400+ yards given up.

      1 less dropped pass or miss in the RZ and those "w's" are "L's..  Atlanta, problems in the RZ, well documented.

    Wanna see sunshine and lollipops too!  Just can't.

     My forecast says, cloudy with a 70% chance of storms.

     
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    This article was written by someone who doesn't watch the games. 

    Losing Wilfork won't be easy to deal with. Also, if Talib goes down for any reason it creates a domino effect that takes our defense down several notches. So we're highly dependent on his continued health. 

    Then, we've played crummy teams with bad offenses. Except Atlanta and there we have "Matty ice." Pleaaze. 

    I watched the games and saw many occasions where receivers were open and opposing QBs couldn't get them the ball or didn't see them, as the QBs we were playing stunk or were greenhorns. 

    Look, I like how our D looks, but we're going to need some help from the offense too if we want to advance. This is not the Blue Curtain.

         




    +10000

     

    Too many times, I saw NO defenders in the picture.  Was thinking of upgrading to a 80" screen to get a glimpse of one.

    Atlanta:  Talib, 4 PD and 1 pick.

    The rest of the DB's ZERO

    Talib, 4 picks on the year, rest ZERO.

    Mat Ryan, career day

    137 y.o. Gonzalez, career day.  After 1 million games, he has a CAREER DAY????  UGH

    Seeing too much of the same ol', same' ol, with 400+ yards given up.

      1 less dropped pass or miss in the RZ and those "w's" are "L's..  Atlanta, problems in the RZ, well documented.

    Wanna see sunshine and lollipops too!  Just can't.

     My forecast says, cloudy with a 70% chance of storms.

     



    The Falcons called 56 pass plays, were sacked twice, threw 54 times, but completed only 34 passes.  Yes, the Pats struggled to cover Gonzalez, but they did a very good job on Jones and White.  By completion percentage and yards per pass, this was Ryan's second worst game of the year and was worse than most of his games last year. Four hundred yards is a lot--but it's not quite so spectacular when you've called 56 pass plays. 

     

     
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    +10000

    Too many times, I saw NO defenders in the picture.  Was thinking of upgrading to a 80" screen to get a glimpse of one.

    Atlanta:  Talib, 4 PD and 1 pick.

    The rest of the DB's ZERO

    Talib, 4 picks on the year, rest ZERO.

    Mat Ryan, career day

    137 y.o. Gonzalez, career day.  After 1 million games, he has a CAREER DAY????  UGH

    Seeing too much of the same ol', same' ol, with 400+ yards given up.

    1 less dropped pass or miss in the RZ and those "w's" are "L's..  Atlanta, problems in the RZ, well documented.

    Wanna see sunshine and lollipops too!  Just can't.

    My forecast says, cloudy with a 70% chance of storms.


    Some of you guys are a real drag.

    Winning and losing are learned behaviors. Intangibles win in the NFL not stats. If stats were all that mattered then let's just crown the Broncos right now. If stats were all that mattered then the 2010 Chargers with their #1 offense and their #1 defense would be Super Bowl champions. Instead, they missed the playoffs.

    The Pat's defense is winning games by making stops when it has to. The Falcons' 7th ranked offense were going to get their yards.

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/09/30/patriots-defense-real-thing/7b5dgkl44PdjsxmoqG0I8L/story.html

     
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    +10000

     

     

    Too many times, I saw NO defenders in the picture.  Was thinking of upgrading to a 80" screen to get a glimpse of one.

    Atlanta:  Talib, 4 PD and 1 pick.

    The rest of the DB's ZERO

    Talib, 4 picks on the year, rest ZERO.

    Mat Ryan, career day

    137 y.o. Gonzalez, career day.  After 1 million games, he has a CAREER DAY????  UGH

    Seeing too much of the same ol', same' ol, with 400+ yards given up.

    1 less dropped pass or miss in the RZ and those "w's" are "L's..  Atlanta, problems in the RZ, well documented.

    Wanna see sunshine and lollipops too!  Just can't.

    My forecast says, cloudy with a 70% chance of storms.

     


    Some of you guys are a real drag.

     

     

    Winning and losing are learned behaviors. Intangibles win in the NFL not stats. If stats were all that mattered then let's just crown the Broncos right now. If stats were all that mattered then the 2010 Chargers with their #1 offense and their #1 defense would be Super Bowl champions. Instead, they missed the playoffs.

    The Pat's defense is winning games by making stops when it has to. The Falcons' 7th ranked offense were going to get their yards.

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/09/30/patriots-defense-real-thing/7b5dgkl44PdjsxmoqG0I8L/story.html

     




    Boo Hoo!

     

    It's funny how you mention stats (7th ranked O) and in the same breath, diss them.

    Where do the Falcons rate in the EZ?  Where have they ranked in the RZ, going back to last year?

    How many of the D's EZ stops have been actually stops and not unforced errors?

    I'm not going to bother researching that, since apparently stats don't matter, but my eyes tell me.....less than half.  And my eyes tell me that there is ONE guy, playing out of his mind.

    The others, not so much.

    I don't wear glasses .  I used to, but got lasix 3-4 years ago.

     
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    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    LMAO

     

    We beat teams with a combined 5-12 record, not a one of them with a winning record at this point, and now our D is SB bound? Ridiculous.

     

    Is there reason to feel some optimism? Sure. But pounding our chest about how elite we are is way premature.

     




    I throw out the head-to-head games when considering the records of the teams they've played.  Doing so, the beaten teams are 5-8.  That's what it would be if those teams were on the Pats schedule but hadn't played yet.

    Or would you be happier if the Pats had lost all 4 games and their opponents records shifted from 5-12 to 9-8?   Then you could justify that they were playing a tough schedule?  See what I did there?

     
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    In response to pezz4pats' comment:

    It's funny how you mention stats (7th ranked O) and in the same breath, diss them.

    Where do the Falcons rate in the EZ?  Where have they ranked in the RZ, going back to last year?

    How many of the D's EZ stops have been actually stops and not unforced errors?

    I'm not going to bother researching that, since apparently stats don't matter, but my eyes tell me.....less than half.  And my eyes tell me that there is ONE guy, playing out of his mind.

    The others, not so much.

    I don't wear glasses .  I used to, but got lasix 3-4 years ago.


    I don't wear glasses either. Discount the Pats defense at your own risk. Receivers get open almost every play in every game in the NFL. Matt Schaub just put up 355 yards on the Seahawks' vaunted defense.

    I don't care if the Patriots have a super bowl defense. I do care if they have a super bowl team. Looking good so far.

     

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