Pats Defensive Passer Rating Up 11 points Since Talib Brought in.

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    Pats Defensive Passer Rating Up 11 points Since Talib Brought in.

    OUr eyes and the stats tell us this defense is just different since talib and dennard were our starting corners. love teh pressure beign brought by bb on the qb as well. maybe hes more confident doing so with talib and dennard. happily surprised he is switching to more man coverage.

    our defense is becoming more fun to watch.

    awesome!

     
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    Shhhhhhh.  Don't tell the Rusty's that.  It's absolutely impossible for one person to change the dynamic of a defense.  Hell we change QB's and go from .500 to Super Bowl Champs.

     
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    Big corners on big receivers and Arrington in the slot and McCourty playing CF like a 24 yr old Ken Griffey Jr. They all tackle well and I bet Revis and Cromartie are being paid more than the Pats entire secondary.

     

     
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    Shhhhhhh.  Don't tell the Rusty's that.  It's absolutely impossible for one person to change the dynamic of a defense.  Hell we change QB's and go from .500 to Super Bowl Champs.

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    Well, he has not yet been on the team for a year... He still looks for the ball when covering.

    Maybe that's what the team should be doing every year. Find a good corner and get him to join the team midway through the season.

     
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    Big corners on big receivers and Arrington in the slot and McCourty playing CF like a 24 yr old Ken Griffey Jr. They all tackle well and I bet Revis and Cromartie are being paid more than the Pats entire secondary.

     

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    nice!  :) +1

     
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    Shhhhhhh.  Don't tell the Rusty's that.  It's absolutely impossible for one person to change the dynamic of a defense.  Hell we change QB's and go from .500 to Super Bowl Champs.

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    seattle,


    "Well, he has not yet been on the team for a year... He still looks for the ball when covering."

    you have a point there :)

    Maybe that's what the team should be doing every year. Find a good corner and get him to join the team midway through the season.

    id prefer fa's in offseson, but better late than never :)


     
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    Shhhhhhh.  Don't tell the Rusty's that.  It's absolutely impossible for one person to change the dynamic of a defense.  Hell we change QB's and go from .500 to Super Bowl Champs.

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    Well, he has not yet been on the team for a year... He still looks for the ball when covering.

    Maybe that's what the team should be doing every year. Find a good corner and get him to join the team midway through the season.

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    I'd prefer it if they stopped drafting corners entirely in the first 4 rounds and trade and deal for established corners. WR is another position we can't seem to draft at. The rest of the roster is fine through the draft. 

     
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    Shhhhhhh.  Don't tell the Rusty's that.  It's absolutely impossible for one person to change the dynamic of a defense.  Hell we change QB's and go from .500 to Super Bowl Champs.

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    Well, he has not yet been on the team for a year... He still looks for the ball when covering.

    Maybe that's what the team should be doing every year. Find a good corner and get him to join the team midway through the season.

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    I'd prefer it if they stopped drafting corners entirely in the first 4 rounds and trade and deal for established corners. WR is another position we can't seem to draft at. The rest of the roster is fine through the draft. 

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    mac im totally with you.

     
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    Pats D ranks 11th in points allowed. Not bad.

     
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    I have been impressed with the amount of blitzing that has seemed to occur since his arrival. They seem to get pressure on the QB a lot now. I do not know if the sack totals have improved but the QB accuracy has definately appeared off lately. A lot of tv shots of opposing QB's getting off the dirt after plays.

     
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    I have been impressed with the amount of blitzing that has seemed to occur since his arrival. They seem to get pressure on the QB a lot now. I do not know if the sack totals have improved but the QB accuracy has definately appeared off lately. A lot of tv shots of opposing QB's getting off the dirt after plays.

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    exactly cc.

     
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    I think defensive passer rating is the number QBs average against you.  So better  would be down...

    Do you mean the ranking went up 11?

    pats currently rank  21 in  DPR... which is definitely trending up.  So basically your point is correct.

     
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    It certainly was a nice change of pace going more man-to-man AND the most blitzing I've seen in a long time.  However, I think it's going to be different with different teams. There are some QBs who are just as good as Brady in picking up the blitz (like Peyton) - and BB will not want to blitz as much. He'll probably want to get more pressure from the DEs without sending extra people.


    I think the biggest relief is that the defense is coming together, less vanilla - and the Texan game is evidence that the defense can play smashball pretty well; if needed.

     
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    I think defensive passer rating is the number QBs average against you.  So better  would be down...

    Do you mean the ranking went up 11?

    pats currently rank  21 in  DPR... which is definitely trending up.  So basically your point is correct.

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    thanks cool,
    no it was 11 point improvement  per pff

     
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    I think defensive passer rating is the number QBs average against you.  So better  would be down...

    Do you mean the ranking went up 11?

    pats currently rank  21 in  DPR... which is definitely trending up.  So basically your point is correct.

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    thanks cool,
    no it was 11 point improvement  per pff

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    Ok got it...  Yeah the chff guys invented this stat among others and they're interesting....  Like relativity index which pats rank first by a lot.

    Then they average all the stats by ranking. Its cool but then they say all stats are not equal.  figure that out... Like pick your favorites and make your argument... Lol.

     
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    Big corners on big receivers and Arrington in the slot and McCourty playing CF like a 24 yr old Ken Griffey Jr. They all tackle well and I bet Revis and Cromartie are being paid more than the Pats entire secondary.

     

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    Hannah - given that I got to see the recent Pats game, I think you hit one huge nail right on its head.  The pats tackle well.  As much as anything else, this seems to be a difference between the patriots defensive players and other teams' defensive players. 

     
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    For the last 3 years the patriots defense has a 37 QBR rating against(which is best in the entire NFL) in the 2nd half of the seasons. That is for 3 years this BB coached team gets remarkably better with time to gel. It is no coincidence that the 1st half of the year we send extra pass rushers a "league low" and as the team gains consistency BB unleashes them. I love the Talib signing and of course he makes our team better, but the fact is this defense was going to get better with or without him....like it has every year.

     
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    I have been impressed with the amount of blitzing that has seemed to occur since his arrival. They seem to get pressure on the QB a lot now. I do not know if the sack totals have improved but the QB accuracy has definately appeared off lately. A lot of tv shots of opposing QB's getting off the dirt after plays.

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    As Z said, you can blitz if your secondary is competent. If not, a blitz isn't very effective.

    BB obviously knows how to coach, he just hasn't had the people until now to do what he prefers to do.

     
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    For the last 3 years the patriots defense has a 37 QBR rating against(which is best in the entire NFL) in the 2nd half of the seasons. That is for 3 years this BB coached team gets remarkably better with time to gel. It is no coincidence that the 1st half of the year we send extra pass rushers a "league low" and as the team gains consistency BB unleashes them. I love the Talib signing and of course he makes our team better, but the fact is this defense was going to get better with or without him....like it has every year.

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    That is FALSE.

     

    Last 8 games of 2011...

     

    Sanchez 64.7 PR

    Palco 49.9

    Young 80.2

    Orlovsky 113.2

    Grossman 92.2

    Tebow 80.5

    Moore 99.8

    Fitzpatrick 60.7

     

    Looking at that, where you are getting this 37 from is a mystery.

     

     
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    For the last 3 years the patriots defense has a 37 QBR rating against(which is best in the entire NFL) in the 2nd half of the seasons. That is for 3 years this BB coached team gets remarkably better with time to gel. It is no coincidence that the 1st half of the year we send extra pass rushers a "league low" and as the team gains consistency BB unleashes them. I love the Talib signing and of course he makes our team better, but the fact is this defense was going to get better with or without him....like it has every year.

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    That is FALSE.

     

    Last 8 games of 2011...

     

    Sanchez 64.7 PR

    Palco 49.9

    Young 80.2

    Orlovsky 113.2

    Grossman 92.2

    Tebow 80.5

    Moore 99.8

    Fitzpatrick 60.7

     

    Looking at that, where you are getting this 37 from is a mystery.

     

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    FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- The big man, the mountainous nose tackle who actually tackled running back Arian Foster while he was being blocked at the line, professes not to hear the chatter.

    Vince Wilfork waved off questions with his massive football paw about the hype surrounding the Houston Texans and their defense coming into the Monday night meeting with Wilfork's New England Patriots, the one that Texans receiver Andre Johnsonproclaimed was the biggest in franchise history.

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    Wilfork didn't acknowledge the pundits who proclaimed J.J. Wattthe most disruptive defensive player in the league, espousing Watt's gaudy sack totals and pass defenses and all those other defensive categories that don't ever really pertain to Wilfork because he draws so many double teams.

    "I could care less about stats," Wilfork insisted. "The only stat I care about is the W. We win, and I'm happy. We lose, and I'm not."

    Taking that criteria into account, Wilfork should qualify as positively giddy over a 42-14 beatdown of the Texans, who came to Gillette Stadium with an 11-1 record and some lofty goals in tow. Wilfork announced Houston was "the best team in football" before he and his defense completely stripped Matt Schaub, Arian Foster and Andre Johnson down to their skivvies with a physical, pressure-oriented assault that limited the Texans to a woeful 2-for-14 on third-down conversions and forced nine negative plays.

    It was a dominant New England defensive performance led by their most dominant force. Wilfork was a one-man wrecking crew, deflecting passes, hauling down running backs and harrying Schaub. On one play late in the first quarter, Wilfork not only decked Schaub for a 9-yard sack, he also forced a fumble that was ultimately recovered by tackle Chris Meyers, but effectively put an end to any chance of Houston generating any offensive continuity.

    Remember when the New England defense was on life support, a porous, disjointed, vulnerable collection of athletes who were trying to subscribe to the "bend but don't break" philosophy of their predecessors, only to snap whenever games got tight? They allowed Ravens, Seahawks and even the Jets to come roaring back from late-game deficits (although the Patriots squeaked out a win over New York in overtime). They left us thinking a Super Bowl run was pure folly, simply unfathomable.

    That was in the first half of the season. But a trend has developed over the past three seasons that's difficult to ignore. New England has posted a perfect 21-0 record in the second half of seasons since 2010. Truthfully, that streak could have been even more impressive, except the Patriots lost their final regular-season game of the 2009 season to -- you guessed it -- the Houston Texans.

    It was a meaningless contest with no playoff implications but proved to be incredibly costly because it was the day Wes Welkershredded his knee.

    In other words, the last time the Patriots lost a game in the second half of the season, they weren't even really trying to win.

    Patriots' defense since 2010  1st half of season2nd half of season Opp Total YPG 390.8 381.5 Opp Pass YPG 288.0 264.3 Opp Rush YPG 102.8 117.2 Opp PPG 22.6 18.7 Opp Total QBR 68.6
    (30th in NFL) 37.4
    (2nd in NFL)

    Not coincidentally, as the team peaks in the final weeks, the defense's performance improves significantly.

    According to ESPN Stats & Information, since 2010, opposing quarterbacks in the first half of the season registered a Total QBR of 68.6 against the Patriots, which left New England ranked 30th in the NFL.

    But, in a dramatic turnaround, the Total QBR for opposing quarterbacks over the second half of the season dropped to 37.4, or second-best in the league.

    Total QBR is a rating that summarizes all of the quarterback's contributions (passing, rushing, fumbles, sacks and penalties) into a 0-100 scale in which 50 is average.

    Thus, Matt Schaub is one in a line of quarterbacks who was hoping to make his mark but was squashed by the Patriots' resurgent defense.

    So why such a huge disparity from the beginning of the season to the end?

    "Well," mused cornerback Kyle Arrington, who submitted another fine performance Monday night, "we talk an awful lot around here about playing our best ball this time of year. We're geared that way."

    There are some more tangible reasons why New England's defense, particularly the secondary, looks more solvent. Cornerback Aqib Talib (who left with a hip injury in the second quarter and didn't return) has provided some desperately needed juice -- and has freed Devin McCourtyto play safety.

    McCourty deftly picked off Schaub in the end zone to thwart an early scoring threat, and said he has thrived since switching postions.

    [+] EnlargeDevin McCourty Jim Rogash/Getty ImagesDevin McCourty celebrates his first-quarter interception, which kept the Texans off the board, with Brandon Spikes.

    "I feel more comfortable out there," he said. "[Fellow safety] Steve [Gregory] has helped me a lot with keeping my eyes open, seeing the whole field.

    "I probably would have drifted the wrong way a few weeks ago," McCourty said of his pick. "I'm so used to playing corner and being so tight on guys. But I'm getting there. Our defense is really jelling."

    In the days leading up to this game, any discussion of defensive dominance centered on the Texans and Watt.

    In a rare admission, linebacker Jerod Mayoconfessed he grew tired of hearing about it. Watt had some impressive moments in this game, but he left Gillette without a sack, a batted pass or a tackle for a loss. It was the first time all year he was shut out in all three categories.

    J.J. What?

    "Obviously we always talk about ignoring the noise, but you hear it," Mayo admitted. "You hear it walking down the street. It was a little bit of a motivational factor for me, at least. I'm sure the rest of the guys felt the same way."

    Mayo and Wilfork both believe the game plans their coaches conjure up in the darkness of their film cave have much to do with the defensive numbers becoming healthier as the year wears on.

    In the first half of 2010, the Patriots surrendered 198 points, or an average of 24.7 per game. Over the final eight games, they reduced that number to 105 points or 13.1 per game.

    That trend continued last season. After giving up 184 points (or an average of 23 per game) in the first half of the season, they reduced those numbers to 158 points and a 19.7 average.

    "I think what happens is as the season goes on, you see teams start to declare who they are," Wilfork explained. "Early on, you don't know … but when you get to Week 10 and 11, they are who they are. You can really study tendencies, and get it down how you want to play certain teams.

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    "I think our staff does a good job understanding what we need to do to be better. You have to be able to win games in November and December.

    "Sometimes, those games can make or break your season."

    This one game will undoubtedly tarnish the credibility of a Houston team that was looking to establish itself as the indisputable king of the AFC.

    The Patriots have made their case to be included in that conversation. The noise will all be about them as they prepare to face San Francisco next Sunday night.

    Wilfork said he doesn't hold much stock in statement games.

    "No, man," he said. "I'm not into those."

    Turns out he might not be telling us the whole story about his disdain for numbers, though. McCourty recalled a team meeting last year just before the playoffs in which the mountainous nose tackle, the heart and soul of the Patriots' defense, pulled out a packet of sheets and recited the dominant numbers that teams put up in the regular season, only to falter once the lights got brighter and the playoffs began.

    Wilfork still believes the Texans are a title contender. He already is concerned about the next contending team on its way to Gillette.

    "This game has nothing to do with the 49ers," he said. "It's over. Everything we did tonight is in the bag, bagged up and we don't see it no more. We're moving forward."

    And, just like the numbers say, the defense is following suit.

    Jackie MacMullan ESPNBoston.com columnist
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    • Recipient of Basketball Hall of Fame Curt Gowdy Media Award
     
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    Re: Pats Defensive Passer Rating Up 11 points Since Talib Brought in.

    I think you are confused because you are looking at old QB rating which currently has like 10 guys over 100. Total QBR measures it more accurately imo, it weighs heavier on meaningful stats and less on scrub time B.S...at least that is what i gather from the definition.

    1st half of the season for 3 years running we were at 68 which was 30th in the LG, 2nd half we are at 37 which is 2nd best( I mispoke earlier and thought it was the best...oops)

     
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    Qbr...  Kind of suspicious of that stat... Like passer rating isn't enough...?  apparently qbr factors in clutch somehow... So if you lose, bad qbr?  So it would follow that 21-0 will produce bad qbr on other side. qbr should just go back into some whiny stat monkeys brain where it came from ...yikes.

    Point of thread... D better.  Amazing people are just catching on to MCC at safety.  I was at buffalo game last year and it was the most obvious thing to see it in person how natural he looked as a safety.

    I get animated at times (working on that) but I cried and whined since that day that pats D was much better with MCC at safety.  He had a pick in that game and almost took it 80 yards to the house.  Meanwhile at corner he was being wasted (and criticised). Hmm... If he was at safety in postseason do we beat giants?  After seeing how bad chung regressed its not that much of a stretch.  The biggest play of that game was chung not breaking up manningham.

    I posted that he represents the new prototype for safety... Fast, ball skills, maybe undersized but with new rules, so what?  Put your fastest guy back there because he'll sucker the QB into throws and then close and make the play.  That is what we're seeing. it happened to me in high school... Dude just closed and picked me off on a ball I thought was a completion. I'll never forget it.

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    I think you are confused because you are looking at old QB rating which currently has like 10 guys over 100. Total QBR measures it more accurately imo, it weighs heavier on meaningful stats and less on scrub time B.S...at least that is what i gather from the definition.

    1st half of the season for 3 years running we were at 68 which was 30th in the LG, 2nd half we are at 37 which is 2nd best( I mispoke earlier and thought it was the best...oops)

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    You didn't say "total QB rating".

     

    Beyond that, nobody but ESPN even knows what their rating is. Therefore it is a junk stat.

     

    I don't question your sincerity truechamp. And I don't question that BB gets the D better as the season goes on either. I just question those numbers as they look better than they actually are for obvious reasons and also the reasons stated.

     

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