Re: Pats DrOY
posted at 11/11/2013 12:26 PM EST
In response to Harvey-Wallbanger's comment:
In response to rkarp's comment:
In response to PatsEng's comment:
No one is exactly running away with it at this point. Imo here's how I would rank them:
1# Ryan, has come in and has made some big impact plays. He's still making rook mistakes but compared to all the other rooks he's made the least. He's also taking the starting job from Arrington on the outside. Now that isn't saying a ton considering how bad Arrington has been yet again on the outside but him earning a position instead of given to him because of lack of players or injury does deserve credit.
#2 Dobson, you look at Dobson and he has flash some brilliance and he continues to improve but he's had his share of facepalm moments. However, you can't overlook the fact that for a while there was no one else and Dobson has come up with some good catches down the strentch.
#3 Jones, you have someone like Jones who has 5 sacks but he's very weak against the run and frankly since 60% of his pressures result in sacks that means he's not getting effective pressure on QB's for a majority of the time he's on the field. Really he has the most miss leading stats of any rook this year and only a fool would hang his hat on this arguement on 5 sacks. Of course it's still an impressive feat and considering the other rooks does put hm into top 3 conversation.
#4 Jamie Collins, though not really interacting on the D his contribution to the ST plays gives him the 4th spot in my mind. Clearly of the other rooks he's given more just through STs than the others have given on normal downs.
#5 Buchanan, Buchanan had 1 great game with 2 sacks but really hasn't shown much for the other 8 games so far. Most of the time you don't even realize he's in there and considering he's up on the line that's nether a bad or good thing.
Now with all that being said I have a feeling I'm going to get greif over Jones so I want to say this kid looks like a real deal as a sub rusher and I'd be happy next year to see him coming in on 3rd downs and like to see him develop but he's a liability as a starter up the middle and after picking up Sopo the only reason Jones will remain a 3 down DT is because Vellano is just as bad against the run and they have no one better to start. Moving forward though I can see him taking a Wright type of role. A great sub rusher who can fill in as a starter in a pinch.
I had posted this earlier;
Re: ROY rankings
posted at 11/10/2013 1:52 PM EST
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In response to zbellino's comment:
If Chris Jones had played all of the season, he'd have to be top 10 at this point. Unless, of course, you don't rate unheralded players that high.
He's been nothing short of outstanding.
He has been a pleasant surprise when the team was desperate. He is not a good fit for this defense playing multiple sub packages. His weakness against the run is something other teams have been game planning for, and Vellano having similar deficenicies does Jones no favors. He is a nice 4th or 5th option next year in a rotation playing on passing sub packages
"4th or 5th"?
He's proven to be no worse than first subpackage DT on the field as 3rd on the depth chart and he's only a rookie.
I also think he needs some time next to a true NT/DT type like Sopoaga.
depending on contracts, I do think the Pats preference is to have Vince, Kelly and Soap as 1,2,3...with Jones and maybe Vellano as 4 and 5...have to see if they can figure out the $$$...Vince and Soap at $14M combined is a lot.