Pats Insisted on First Round Pick For Seymour...in 2011

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    Pats Insisted on First Round Pick For Seymour...in 2011

         According to Raider based sources, the Patriots could have traded Richard Seymour for the Raiders' #1 draft choice in 2010. But, the Pats' insisted that the #1 pick be in 2011...when a new rookie salary might be in place: http://www.contracostatimes.com/raiders/ci_13282431  
     
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    I've said it on many threads, Brilliant.  In one move we can secure the present (more money available to sign players) and positioning the team for future success.

    BB shows once again that he is the greatest coach of all times (of all sports).
     
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    It makes sense to me.  Even if they got a 2010 #1 it won't help us this season.  We are going to need big bucks to sign many of our key players next season assuming there still is a cap.  In 2011 with potentially a rookie cap in place a top 5 pick would be affordable.  It is also not lost on me that Brady will be a F/A after the 2010 season.  Assuming he re-signs it still would be about the right time to draft Brady's replacement.

    Brady turns 34 prior to the 2011 season.  Let's say we draft his replacement with that Raider pick (perhaps Sam Bradford - Oklahoma for instance).  This gives the kid one year to learn behind Tom and he takes over for the 2012 season.  Brady will be 35 by then and likely close to washed up.  It would not be bad if the Seymour trade nets us our future franchise QB.  And the dynasty continues...
     
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    I have a feeling, barring injuries, we will have Brady longer than that, maybe not Favre long, but longer
     
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    Faucetman,

    Brady has stated that he is at the midpoint in his career, and you want to push him out after next season and replace him with Sam Bradford? Really? Really?!? That's pretty deep thinking. Maybe you should post your resume to Robert Kraft. That Belichick will likely be washed up following 2012, and they need smart, forward thinking execs like YOU to keep the dynasty going. 

    (by the way, my above statements are sarcastic, and I actually think you are a huge idiot for suggesting that the Pats get rid of the best QB of all time before he wants to leave. Maybe you should keep to selling faucets.)
     
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    [QUOTE]It makes sense to me.  Even if they got a 2010 #1 it won't help us this season.  We are going to need big bucks to sign many of our key players next season assuming there still is a cap.  In 2011 with potentially a rookie cap in place a top 5 pick would be affordable.  It is also not lost on me that Brady will be a F/A after the 2010 season.  Assuming he re-signs it still would be about the right time to draft Brady's replacement. Brady turns 34 prior to the 2011 season.  Let's say we draft his replacement with that Raider pick (perhaps Sam Bradford - Oklahoma for instance).  This gives the kid one year to learn behind Tom and he takes over for the 2012 season.  Brady will be 35 by then and likely close to washed up.  It would not be bad if the Seymour trade nets us our future franchise QB.  And the dynasty continues...
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]
    Sam Bradford will be in this next Draft 2010. With a Rookie Payscale coming alot of juniors will also be coming out after this year. We have three number 2's in 2010 and two 1's in 2011. Pats will be strong for years to come
     
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    Green Bay drafted Rodgers when Favre was 35. Drafting a QB in the next 2-3 years and having him sit behind Brady isn't a bad move.

    I would rather, though, use high draft picks on safer players, but I understand the logic.
     
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    this trade looks shocking when you first read the headlines "seymour dealt to oakland", "end of an era", etc.  when you actually get into it and think about what the pats could do in 2011, its really a great deal. BB obviously feels comfortable with the DL depth that we have, and we the fans do not know what the pats coaching staff knows. i'm 100% sold on this trade. looks like a 4-3 defense in 2009 to me.
     
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    Nice find.
     
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    saves money by not dealing with an uncapped massive rookie contract next year.  Also with it being likely uncapped in 2010 the team could sign someone to a big one year deal as a bandaid.
     
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    Who wants to bet that they trade their 2010 1st rounder for a 2011 1st rounder?
     
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    [QUOTE]Who wants to bet that they trade their 2010 1st rounder for a 2011 1st rounder?
    Posted by mario11[/QUOTE] they also could trade the 2011 ist rd,and something else for a 1st rd in 2010.they have plenty of flexability.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Pats Insisted on First Round Pick For Seymour...in 2011 : they also could trade the 2011 ist rd,and something else for a 1st rd in 2010.they have plenty of flexability.
    Posted by mosseffect43[/QUOTE]I think you miss the point of the 2011 pick is that it it will be preferable to the 2010. I wouldn't be surprised if Belichick tries to trade into 2011.
     
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    In order for this brilliant move to be reality, Seymour has to report to the Raiders. Peter King on SI.com reported this morning that according to a close friend of Seymour's, there is a possiblity he does not report. He's pissed and I can't blame him, but this is business.
    If he does not report, the Raiders keep that draft pick and the Pats are left holding the bag...Seymour will be fined for not playing, we lose him for the year (because he probably will not want to play for us), and we get nothing in return. If Seymour can financially afford it, perhaps he sits out...
    Thoughts?
     
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    In Response to Re: Pats Insisted on First Round Pick For Seymour...in 2011:
    [QUOTE]Faucetman, Brady has stated that he is at the midpoint in his career, and you want to push him out after next season and replace him with Sam Bradford? Really? Really?!? That's pretty deep thinking. Maybe you should post your resume to Robert Kraft. That Belichick will likely be washed up following 2012, and they need smart, forward thinking execs like YOU to keep the dynasty going.  (by the way, my above statements are sarcastic, and I actually think you are a huge idiot for suggesting that the Pats get rid of the best QB of all time before he wants to leave. Maybe you should keep to selling faucets.)
    Posted by Rockdog1293000[/QUOTE]
    It's one thing to want to continue to play 13 seasons which is where Brady will be heading into 2012, its another thing to still be playing at a high level.  I hope he still has it and if he does we don't take a QB with that pick.  I was just pointing out a possibility.  Montana played 14 seasons with the 49ers before being shipped out to KC where he played 2 more years at a much lower level.  Until Brady wins another ring, Montana is the greatest QB of all time as much as I hate saying it.  Right now, Brady is the 2nd best of all time and I think he'd say they same thing.

    All I was saying is we have to be prepared someday for life without Brady.  The Pats have shown that once you've lost it and someone else proves they can do a better job or if you become too expensive for the position and the value they place on you, you're gone.  Ask Milloy, Law, Vinetieri, Bledsoe, Vrabel, Bruschi (who they likely asked to retire), and now Seymour if this is a business first.  When the time comes it will be no different for Brady. 

    When he's 35 and too slow to buy enough time to get to his 2nd and 3rd progression or he's often injured or he wants $20MM a year the day will come.  It might not be 2012 or 2013 but it is realistic to think he doesn't get much past his 13th or 14th season still playing at a high level.  I wasn't even saying I advocate such a move, I'm saying it would not be out of character for the Patriot brass to make a move like this 4-5 years from now. 

    Do you have any original thoughts or is all you can do is to throw insults at people?
     
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    [QUOTE] Brady turns 34 prior to the 2011 season.  Let's say we draft his replacement with that Raider pick (perhaps Sam Bradford - Oklahoma for instance).  This gives the kid one year to learn behind Tom and he takes over for the 2012 season.  Brady will be 35 by then and likely close to washed up.  It would not be bad if the Seymour trade nets us our future franchise QB.  And the dynasty continues...
    Posted by Faucetman[/QUOTE]

    even if is Bradford available in 2011, i  don't think he's brady's replacement. personally if he couldn't do the job agianst Florida in the NC i don't thinks he's a franchise QB for the Pats. he's good, but not great 
     
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    Of course he's p!ssed, he will probably report after cooling off. Seymour wants a big payday so being a selfish player tag landing on him because he refused to play for raiders would cost him. I doubt it will happpen but the thread that brought up him coming back after this season makes for good banter.
     
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    [QUOTE]In order for this brilliant move to be reality, Seymour has to report to the Raiders. Peter King on SI.com reported this morning that according to a close friend of Seymour's, there is a possiblity he does not report. He's pissed and I can't blame him, but this is business. If he does not report, the Raiders keep that draft pick and the Pats are left holding the bag...Seymour will be fined for not playing, we lose him for the year (because he probably will not want to play for us), and we get nothing in return. If Seymour can financially afford it, perhaps he sits out... Thoughts?
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]
    The deal is not contingent upon Seymour reporting. Oakland now owns the rights to Seymour and the Pats own the #1 pick in the 2011 draft. Period.
    He is bound by league rules to report or suffer the consequences, which will be doled out by the Raiders, not the Pats.
     
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    It certainly is thinking ahead and a highly strategic trade. Just what we've come to expect from Belichick's calculating chess-move organization.

    Check more here:

    http://sweetflaccoaction.blogspot.com/2009/09/another-pats-retirement.html
     
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    Like I've said in other threads, there will be chaos in 2010 if it's uncapped.  A lot of players will assume 2010 will be the only uncapped year, and that big deals might be grandfathered if the cap returns.  Franchise tags will be undervalued, hold outs will be commonplace, guys who have outperformed their contracts will want to get paid, you'll see a major increase in college juniors entering the draft, and who knows what else.

    If it's hard to sign high draft picks currently, just imagine trying to sign a top 10 pick in an uncapped year... YIKES!  Off topic, but maybe that's the only reason why Crabtree is acting foolish.  Maybe we are already seeing the effects of 2010 being an uncapped year.  Very smart for the Pats to get the pick in 2011.
     
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    [QUOTE]     According to Raider based sources, the Patriots could have traded Richard Seymour for the Raiders' #1 draft choice in 2010. But, the Pats' insisted that the #1 pick be in 2011...when a new rookie salary might be in place: http://www.contracostatimes.com/raiders/ci_13282431   
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    Lombardi writes that "At first, this deal was being framed around a two in 2010, but it moved to a one because the Raiders wanted to keep their draft alive next year." (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Diner-morning-news-Raiders-risky-move.html)
     
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         Heres' more analysis of the Seymour trade: http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/2685/patriots-trade-a-masterstroke-for-future
     
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    [QUOTE]In order for this brilliant move to be reality, Seymour has to report to the Raiders. Peter King on SI.com reported this morning that according to a close friend of Seymour's, there is a possiblity he does not report. He's pissed and I can't blame him, but this is business. If he does not report, the Raiders keep that draft pick and the Pats are left holding the bag...Seymour will be fined for not playing, we lose him for the year (because he probably will not want to play for us), and we get nothing in return. If Seymour can financially afford it, perhaps he sits out... Thoughts?
    Posted by PatsLifer[/QUOTE]

    He is not going to sit out the season- that would irreparably harm the value of the free agent contract he will seek next season.

    The disagreement right now is over obtaining a promise from the Raiders that they do not franchise him next season.


     
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    Belichick in recent years has proven himself a master of the football business.  Is he substituting for a loss of coaching touch?  
     
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    You might be right, if BB is losing the coaching edge, he should retire: refer to ex-Coach Dungy for advice . . . . 
     

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