Poor Offseason Decisions Hurt Pats

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    In Response to Poor Offseason Decisions Hurt Pats:
    [QUOTE] 1.) Signing Joey Galloway:
    2.) Letting Jabar Gaffney Go:
    3.) Trading a 5th round pick for WR Greg Lewis:
    4.) Signing Fred Taylor:
    5.) Passing on ILB Rey Maualuga:
    6.) Releasing QB Kevin O'Connell:
    Thoughts?           
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]
    1.  One big reason for benching Galloway is that Tom Brady can't hit a 40 yard pass to save his life.  Zero forty yarders in five games.  Galloway's only purpose is to be a credible deep threat.  Keep him on the bench until Brady recovers.

    2.  Gaffney was signed off the streets, not even as another team's discard, as the third or fourth answer in a long string of WR non-answers. He's good but not THAT good. 

    BB and the Krafts aren't signing ANYONE beyond the 2009 season.  They're playing some kind of high-stakes positioning of the Patriots team.  When it comes to financial strategy the Pats have been 100% dynasty so far, so I instinctively will not criticize this clear plan. 

    This year Gaffney wanted (and got) the big Benjamins.  You don't just sign people to contracts, you ask what you are losing by signing them.  In this case BB decided that he could pick up something else for less than $3m.  In fact he's pulled out a potential second Wes Welker in Edelman and a burner in Brandon Tate.  Not too shabby on the WR front.

    3.  Greg Lewis was a waste of a fifth rounder.  The other Patriots' 2009 fifth rounder was used to select George Bussey.  George Who?  Bussey may in fact turn out to be a good pick in 3 years, but right now he's not too useful sitting on the IR list.

    The point is, taking some kind of a risk in the fifth round is part of the draft game.  Second-guessing Greg Lewis is also second-guessing George Bussey or Myron Pryor or Julian Edelman.

    4.  Fred T. was a gamble.  Can he still run?  Sure!  Was he useful against Atlanta?  Yep!  Do older guys go down faster and harder?  Uh huh.  BTW, I think Fred T will be back, simply because otherwise BB would have stuck him immediately on IR for the year.

    5.  I can't guess why BB passes on anyone.  Too many individual rating factors that we don't know.  Drug and violence rumors, hamstrings and bad knee questions, ... 

    It sounds like a plus for taking Malaluga would have been that he could start immediately.  The four second round guys chosen by BB all have slow NFL learning curves, but maybe they'll be really good in 2010.  Possible exception, Ron Brace has shown no progress, but we don't know if Brace is even healthy or just needs a year or two to get good.  We do know that Brace is off the charts at holding his position and pushing.  BB just had to see.
     
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    6.  We don't know about Hoyer. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Poor Offseason Decisions Hurt Pats : 1.  One big reason for benching Galloway is that Tom Brady can't hit a 40 yard pass to save his life.  Zero forty yarders in five games.  Galloway's only purpose is to be a credible deep threat.  Posted by Paul_K[/QUOTE]

    Maybe Galloway should concentrate on catching the 10 to 20 yarders before they send him downfield. Precise route running may also help.

    -Mike in Katy
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Poor Offseason Decisions Hurt Pats : 1.  One big reason for benching Galloway is that Tom Brady can't hit a 40 yard pass to save his life.  Zero forty yarders in five games.  Galloway's only purpose is to be a credible deep threat.  Keep him on the bench until Brady recovers. 2.  Gaffney was signed off the streets, not even as another team's discard, as the third or fourth answer in a long string of WR non-answers. He's good but not THAT good.  BB and the Krafts aren't signing ANYONE beyond the 2009 season.  They're playing some kind of high-stakes positioning of the Patriots team.  When it comes to financial strategy the Pats have been 100% dynasty so far, so I instinctively will not criticize this clear plan.  This year Gaffney wanted (and got) the big Benjamins.  You don't just sign people to contracts, you ask what you are losing by signing them.  In this case BB decided that he could pick up something else for less than $3m.  In fact he's pulled out a potential second Wes Welker in Edelman and a burner in Brandon Tate.  Not too shabby on the WR front. 3.  Greg Lewis was a waste of a fifth rounder.  The other Patriots' 2009 fifth rounder was used to select George Bussey.  George Who?  Bussey may in fact turn out to be a good pick in 3 years, but right now he's not too useful sitting on the IR list. The point is, taking some kind of a risk in the fifth round is part of the draft game.  Second-guessing Greg Lewis is also second-guessing George Bussey or Myron Pryor or Julian Edelman. 4.  Fred T. was a gamble.  Can he still run?  Sure!  Was he useful against Atlanta?  Yep!  Do older guys go down faster and harder?  Uh huh.  BTW, I think Fred T will be back, simply because otherwise BB would have stuck him immediately on IR for the year. 5.  I can't guess why BB passes on anyone.  Too many individual rating factors that we don't know.  Drug and violence rumors, hamstrings and bad knee questions, ...  It sounds like a plus for taking Malaluga would have been that he could start immediately.  The four second round guys chosen by BB all have slow NFL learning curves, but maybe they'll be really good in 2010.  Possible exception, Ron Brace has shown no progress, but we don't know if Brace is even healthy or just needs a year or two to get good.  We do know that Brace is off the charts at holding his position and pushing.  BB just had to see.
    Posted by Paul_K[/QUOTE]

    Don't disagree with anything you said. Obviously, Fred was a gamble. Unfortunately it didn't pay off. I don't think Galloway's demise was foreseeaable. Somehow, he just suddenly turned into a  bum.

    My point in the previous post was that those individuals who I mentioned would have contributed  much sooner than chung. Sure, it takes longer to develop a DB than a TE or an ILB. But we needed a TE and an ILB, especially an ILB like Malaluga , NOW not three years from now.
     
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    Well you're right about the coffee thing, but ain't it a shame. These guys today just dance to a different piper. Regrettably, for good or for bad that's how it is. Those of us who don't recognize it or won't accept it are doomed to failure and a great deal of heartburn on the way. I can remember when it was just fun to play, to beat the guys on the other team, to win and celebrate was reward enough. That's why I truly believe that BB's time and success, like Seau and his second cup of coffee, have come and gone. That's as it has always been and as it will always be. Today, it's all about the money and frankly that's how it should be! As a player you want to buy into "the program", be given the tools to succeed, and to be surrounded with quality assets. You should not to be abandoned on an island to choke, drown and die (like BB has Brady). As an employer you should provide a working evinronment with a genuine opportunity to succeed, not burden your employees' with your own personal agenda and poor judgement. Maybe the Pat's will get lucky and make it to the playoffs this year, but no one will ever say that they bought their way to success, quite to the contrary.    
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Poor Offseason Decisions Hurt Pats : Maybe Galloway should concentrate on catching the 10 to 20 yarders before they send him downfield. Precise route running may also help. -Mike in Katy
    Posted by BigPapi61[/QUOTE]
    Both sets of reasoning work.  However, BB knew perfectly well that Galloway had lots of drops in 2008.  Most of his value was, and is, as a downfield threat.  He will never be a Wes Welker in this lifetime.

    Maybe Galloway will get the Patriot routes down in time, (maybe not too), but he's still not any threat until Brady gets back on target deep.
     
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    [QUOTE]The D is doing just fine so how exactly does Pees s uck? I hate Dean Pees but give credit where credit is due. He has a lot of young players and back up playing on D this year and he is doing a fine job with them. Not to mention that his star MLB Mayo went down in game one and he was able to get great production out of Gary Guyton while morons on this forum were screaming for Derek Brooks signing. He was able to get Guyton to play some good football. Pees is not the problem Tom Brady is.
    Posted by MVPKilla2009[/QUOTE]

    Pees hasnt been DC for just this year, he has been since Mangini left. The secondary has been statistically horrendous since, and its no wonder. With the exception of the first four games this season(which the players were allowed to play instinctively since the system had to be simplified, which is a good thing), they have played with no aggressiveness, giving 8 yard cushions of the line and having holes all over the secondary everywhere. And for the "defensive line needs to do their part" theorists, if we  have had what so many believe to be an elite D-line, where have they been? Tell me what Pees has accomplished statistically since he took the reigns that has been any better than mediocre?
     
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    Post is right on...Patriots management as seen Sunday is lacking in all matters compared to not 2007 but the last 5 years. PLAY CALLS are real bad! BB seems overmatched this year as are players he hired. LET THEM PLAY!!!! This RED ZONE abortion makes me throw up. Call some plays BB, or hire someone who can! These Patriots are just not contenders..unfortunately. Play like it matters for once in 2009. We need to upset teams like in the old days Tom. Forget the hollywood scene. We all have eyes to see the lack of effort with you on and off the field. Who is your Offensive Coordinator anyway?? When Paoli left so did the Pats brains apparently..heads are too big and empty in Patriotsland these days. We let the 2 best assets in New England go walking.
     
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    True Patriot fans don't panic this early in the season because they know that its not how you start but how you finish.

    The Patriots will finish around 11-5 and as long as they are peaking towards the playoffs-- that is all that matters.
     
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    "Patriots management as seen Sunday is lacking in all matters compared to not 2007 but the last 5 years. PLAY CALLS are real bad! BB seems overmatched this year as are players he hired".

    The Patriots offense lacks imagination.  Look at Miami--- they are creative on offense.  Denver, same thing--- they both use deception to keep Defenses off balance.  They make it harder for opposing teams to prepare to play them.  Why, do you think Rex Ryan was flapping his big mouth before playing the Patriots?  Very easy answer-- they were prepared  for everything Vanilla that they Patriots tried to do.

    Use Edleman and throw in a couple of Wildcat plays, run a flea flicker, HB option pass etc...  OPEN UP THE OFFENSE!
     

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