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In response to zbellino's comment:
In response to TrueChamp's comment:
Completely disagree with your assessment of the Cowboys "all world talent" Zbellino. They have 2 great players in Ware and Dez Bryant. Witten is a good TE with limited redzone ability(check down machine) They have not had a run game since Emmit left, they haven't had a great defense since the dynasty years. Goes to show you that having all world talent like Ware doesn't make your defense great, or even good in their case. I think Romo kind of gets a bum wrap. The guy scores 5 tds and 500 yards and gets the blame for the loss with the ugly int. What about his defense letting up 50 points?
Any case I think the Pats defense the last 3 years has been better then the cowboys. So if the point is that Brady would win a SB with Dallas because they had a better team, then I strongly disagree.
On offense, I would take Gronk, WW, Hernandez, Lloyd, Ridley, Vareen and Woodhead over anything the cowboys put out there each and every day of my life. Lots of talent right there that the GM brought in. Lots.
By all world, I mean on offense. I think very highly of Witten. Ok, so he was a checkdown machine with 114 catches. I could say the same thing about Welker. Checkdown machine.
I also think their running backs are good ... most notably Demarco Murray is a pretty good back. How I'd rank them against Ridley et al, I don't know
The whole package: Austin, Bryant, Witten, Murray, and Terrence Williams vs Gronk, WW, Hernandez, Lloyd, and Ridley. I don't know. It's almost a wash to me. Gronk is better than any one player Dallas has ... but Dallas is a more balanced group, that to the bottom, retains it's talent better. Lloyd wouldn't even make that starting roster.
If Witten is a WW of a TE (like Dallas Clark really) then the remainder is Austin, Bryant, Williams, vs Gronk, Hernandez, and Lloyd.
Gronk is better than anyone of them. He's unstoppable when he is healthy, and he adds to the running game a tremendous amoutn. But Their second player is better than Hernandez (who is another checkdown machine and adds little endzone or deep threat ability) and Lloyd wouldn't even make that roster in Dallas, though he was certainly servicable.
How do I rank that face to face? I don't know. I guess it depends on how much you value Gronk's supreme ability to affect every facet of a game versus the versatility/depth Dallas' standout group offers.
But that is really nitpicking. My point being ... Brady got more out of at least the same. Romo's stats are kind of 'meh' considering Dallas has had as much talent on offense as anyone.
They've had some great defenses on and off the past few seasons... but they are kind of all over the place in that regard.
I'll just disagree ... I think Bill would certainly get a lot more from that collection of players. That's just my 2 cents.
Feel free to disagree ... I know you will. I'm not sure what ax you are grinding, but I suspect something I've said doesn't jibe with it, so none of my points will even be received, much less, the main point: great players and coaches don't guarantee wins, rather they keep teams in competition by being consistent year to year and always making due with poor fortune.
I suspect something you said doesn't jive with you my friend. You really think Cowboys collection of offensive talent was even as good as ours? I have a hard time believing you really feel that way. You know the game, and you know the Pats.
You know Gronk has had way more impact then Dez would on our offense, with his redzone ability and what he does for the run game in terms of blocking. I would also take a pre murderer Aaron Hernandez over Witten(maybe a wash, as Witten is a really good TE but not neccessary with Gronk on the team) I might take Dez over Welker but in our offensive system probably not. I'd take Lloyd over miles austin, and Terrence Williams looks like a catch but he's had 1 great game and 1 good game. Take Ridley, Vareen and maybe even Woodhead over Murray. Surely take our defense over theirs.
Anyway, we got off track. Your statement in bold is the point of my OP and the article I posted, although it was more directed at the depth a team builds and not as much about "great players".
The axe I am grinding is with fans of this team that do not understand what BB has built in N.E. I am trying to help them enjoy the ride. I tried to give some perspective as to what other good teams go through even though they have continuity at the head coach and QB positions.
Lastly I received your message loud and clear, I just disagree with it in regards to Brady and BB winning a SB with the Boys.
Haha. Lloyd over Miles Austin? Are you kidding me? Really? Based on what? Lloyd's had a good season or two. Otherwise, he is just a good #2. Austin is a lock for 1000 x 7 Tds if he is healthy. I mean, they aren't even comparable.
True Gronk is better than any one of them. I get that. I noted that.
But on what grounds is Hernandez better than Whitten? I mean, just because they are Patriots doesn't mean they are the best. Whitten is an 8 time probowler. He is possibly headed to Canton when he is done. His worst seasons in his prime are about as good as Hernandez's best. Give some people credit, man.
For me to even take the conversation seriously, we need to get serious about this and not talk like complete homers.
Hernandez is better than Witten? Lloyd over Austin? Come on, lol.