Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

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    Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    Wow according to Reiss today he says that The Pats were tired of waiting and actually had a deal with DA prior to WW signong with the Broncos? Very good read here.

    Yet even after Welker received a two-year, $12 million offer from the Broncos on Wednesday, a call was made to the Patriots to see if the club would sweeten its offer. The Patriots did not have an immediate response, which led some in Welker's camp to believe a better offer was a possibility in part to keep him away from the Broncos, one of their top competitors in the AFC. Ultimately, the club informed Welker and his representatives that they had entered into another commitment, which Welker's camp assumed all along was Amendola.

    http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9050742/2013-nfl-free-agency-new-england-patriots-quickly-shifted-wes-welker-danny-amendola

    The stunning events that led to receiver Wes Welker signing with the Denver Broncos on Wednesday, and the New England Patriots filling the void with Danny Amendola, came down quickly behind the scenes, according to sources familiar with the negotiations.

    The breaking point came Tuesday in the mid-afternoon before the official start of free agency, when the Patriots and Welker's representatives halted contract talks. The team's offer, a two-year, $10 million pact with incentives that could have pushed it as high as $16 million but in the eyes of Welker would be extremely difficult to reach, wasn't accepted.

    At that point, Welker and his representatives intensified their pursuit of other offers, and it helped that some groundwork had previously been laid with the Broncos. Likewise, the Patriots turned their attention to Amendola, who was their top choice if things didn't work out with Welker (and in the eyes of some on the other side of the negotiating table their top choice all along).

    Things came together quickly with the Patriots and Amendola on a five-year, $31 million deal with $10 million guaranteed, and at that point, there was no looking back for the team. While the Patriots would have been pleased if Welker accepted their proposal -- owner Robert Kraft said Monday that he hoped Welker would retire as a Patriot -- the possibility of losing him and Amendola was deemed too risky, so they moved close to locking in the deal with Amendola not long after free agency began Tuesday.

    After almost a year of on-and-off talks, had the Patriots felt they were closer to a possible agreement with Welker, perhaps they wouldn't have pushed so hard for Amendola at that point. But it was a stalemate that the club felt showed no signs of resolving itself -- the Patriots ready to move on, and Welker slowly but not completely becoming more comfortable envisioning himself catching passes from Peyton Manning instead of Tom Brady.

    This is how it often works in free agency, with timing of the essence. Patriots coach Bill Belichick regularly says that he makes decisions in the best interests of the team, and in the 27-year-old Amendola he saw a quick, sure-handed target who was five years younger than Welker and committing to a lengthy five-year term. If it couldn't be assured that Welker would be back at a contract the team was comfortable with, the Patriots were willing to move on at that point with a player whom offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels had worked with in St. Louis in 2011.

    Yet even after Welker received a two-year, $12 million offer from the Broncos on Wednesday, a call was made to the Patriots to see if the club would sweeten its offer. The Patriots did not have an immediate response, which led some in Welker's camp to believe a better offer was a possibility in part to keep him away from the Broncos, one of their top competitors in the AFC. Ultimately, the club informed Welker and his representatives that they had entered into another commitment, which Welker's camp assumed all along was Amendola.

    So Welker called the Broncos -- who, according to a source, were initially concerned about insulting Welker with their offer because they already had made other financial commitments -- and told them he was on board. While not the offer he was hoping for at the start of free agency, it was easier for Welker to accept it from a team other than one that he'd produced at such a high level for over the past six seasons, the source said.

    The initial response that Welker received from Manning, executive vice president of football operations John Elwayand others in the organization has been "a great feeling" and given him greater comfort in making the move.

    "Elway told him that he wants him to be himself and have fun doing it," the source said.

    Welker, who agreed to the deal without visiting Broncos headquarters, is scheduled to travel to Denver on Thursday morning. He had interest from another AFC team offering two years and closer to $15 million, which was the top contract proposal Welker received in a market that didn't unfold the way he and his representatives envisioned, but he didn't pursue it because the club isn't viewed as a contender. The Broncos, who visit the Patriots in 2013, are one of the AFC's top contenders, which was important to Welker.

    The turn of events was stunning when considering that the Patriots and Welker had been close on a three-year contract last summer. The gap was about $1 million at that time, according to one source, but neither side would budge.

    Since that time, sources from both sides indicated that finding common ground was a challenge. On one side was the feeling that Welker's camp would only accept a three-year term at an average of $8 million per season. On the other side was a belief that the Patriots had basically made one offer and in recent weeks weren't willing to tweak the incentives to try to make them more reasonable to reach.

    As for how Welker's departure has been received by quarterback Tom Brady, who last month restructured his contract in order to provide more salary cap flexibility to help the Patriots build a better team, a source who had direct contact with Brady said he is "bummed out." Welker hasn't just been Brady's go-to receiver, he's also one of his closest friends.

    But Brady has been through this before, going back to 2003 when safety Lawyer Milloy, one of his closest friends on the team, stunningly was released about a week before the season opener. In 2006, Brady was stung by receiver Deion Branch being traded to the Seattle Seahawks. Brady has said in recent years that if he could make the personnel decisions, all of his friends would remain on the team.

    But that's just not the way it works in New England, where Belichick has never been afraid of making an unpopular move, and his relative success in doing so -- and the franchise's consistent winning ways -- has earned him leeway with a passionate fan base that often refers to the motto "In Bill We Trust."

    Yet moving away from the 31-year-old Welker, especially considering the surprisingly low financial terms, could put that to the test. Welker, whom Brady referred to as the "heart and soul" of the team in 2012, was one of the franchise's most beloved players.

    So this qualifies as one of the riskier moves of Belichick's 13-year tenure, as he replaces a known commodity who was the epitome of reliable and durable with Amendola, a talented player with more long-term upside who has been limited to 12 games over the past two seasons because of injuries.

    When it comes to X's and O's, part of Belichick's confidence in taking such a risk is the history of production with slot receivers in the team's offense. Before Welker, fan favorite Troy Brownalso put up big numbers in the slot. It's no disrespect to Brown and Welker, two talented players, but Belichick has noted that part of the function of New England's offense sets that position up for big production.

    Welker proved that, as no NFL receiver caught more passes over the past six seasons. Now he'll be catching them in Denver, a surprising turn of events that came down quickly with the door closing even as he gave the team one final chance to sweeten its offer.

    By that point, the Patriots had moved on to Amendola, a decision that sent shockwaves throughout the region.

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    this is an excellant read--I know if Reiss says it it's true , Let's stop blaming Wes and the Patriots, and lay the blame where it belongs-on the agent. I think the Patriots offered Wes a good deal before he was franchised, but he wouldn't take it. The agent overplayed their hand and fully expected the Patriots to cave. Guess he doesn't know the Patriots,  I wonder how Wes feels flying out to Denver-he can't be very happy, it's not as if he's "getting paid". But Elway says he can be himself and have fun, so if he wants to make fun of Rex Ryan's feet he can do that now without any worrry of being benched by the head coach.

     
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    this is an excellant read--I know if Reiss says it it's true , Let's stop blaming Wes and the Patriots, and lay the blame where it belongs-on the agent. I think the Patriots offered Wes a good deal before he was franchised, but he wouldn't take it. The agent overplayed their hand and fully expected the Patriots to cave. Guess he doesn't know the Patriots,  I wonder how Wes feels flying out to Denver-he can't be very happy, it's not as if he's "getting paid". But Elway says he can be himself and have fun, so if he wants to make fun of Rex Ryan's feet he can do that now without any worrry of being benched by the head coach.



    +1   I agree with you his agent failed him, and his wife being from Denver probably didnt help.

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    In response to Godvernment's comment:

    wes got greedy. it worked out for the best.



    ricky, not sure he got greedy. if they coldnt surmount a 1 mil difference, it sounds like ego on wlerks part and rigidness on bbs aprt kept a deal from happening (if bb really wanted to keep wes).

    frankly id been happier picking up a bolden and a t smith type wrs.

    we'll see what the otcome is.

    on another note, we need some big outside wrs. we need to draft a hopkins and da rick rogers. and a pss rusher.

    and lock up 2 top cbs and a pass rusrer in fa.

    thanks for the report!

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    it doesn't matter. Welker is gone. Amendola is here.

     
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    So you really think a 2 year, 10 millions dollars offer is a fair offer for a reliable veteran who is a Pro-Bowler, who always worked with the club, who had never held out, who sat alone on top of the NFL record of most seasons with over 100 catches for receivers, who plays his heart out every game, who put his body on the line in addition last season to return punts, on top of being a receiver?

    Robert Kraft also lied on Monday when he mouthed platitude about him wanting Welker to be a Patriot for life, when he knew all along he and the Pats organiztion has only an insultingly low ball offer for Welker. How Welker was being treated, along with past dealings of the Pats with players like Law, Seymour, Vrabel and McGinest will not go unnoticed by players on the Patriot team and around the league. The Patriot Way cannot be only an one way street.

     
     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    In response to Godvernment's comment:

    wes got greedy. it worked out for the best.



    by the way, would love to see th person's name and what they were most known for below each fo your avatars or at bottom of your posts. i know, but woudl be a service to awakening minds to hidden and lied about truiths

    carry on bro.

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    No one to blame . . . it's just the way negotiation sometimes goes.  Between last year's franchise tag and this new contract, Welker ended up with $21.5 million in guaranteed money over three years.  That's not too bad for a slot--basically $7 million per year all guaranteed.  Pats clearly thought that was too rich last year and also this year, so financially Welker probably made the best decision for himself.  Alhough the Pats are paying Amendola about 6 million per year, I have a feeling the contract is structured so it's cap friendly this year, which maybe gives the Pats more flexibility to sign another good player.  I suspect the deal, while not making either side happy, makes the most financial sense for both parties. 

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

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    So you really think a 2 year, 10 millions dollars offer is a fair offer for a reliable veteran who is a Pro-Bowler, who always worked with the club, who had never held out, who sat alone on top of the NFL record of most seasons with over 100 catches for receivers, who plays his heart out every game, who put his body on the line in addition last season to return punts, on top of being a receiver?

    Robert Kraft also lied on Monday when he mouthed platitude about him wanting Welker to be a Patriot for life, when he knew all along he and the Pats organiztion has only an insultingly low ball offer for Welker. How Welker was being treated, along with past dealings of the Pats with players like Law, Seymour, Vrabel and McGinest will not go unnoticed by players on the Patriot team and around the league. The Patriot Way cannot be only an one way street.

     




    Absolutely correct. Thanks for your post.

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    In response to bredbru's comment:

    In response to Godvernment's comment:

     

    wes got greedy. it worked out for the best.

     



    by the way, would love to see th person's name and what they were most known for below each fo your avatars or at bottom of your posts. i know, but woudl be a service to awakening minds to hidden and lied about truiths

     

    carry on bro.



    You are talking to Al Jezerra's representative on this Board.

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    Just for the record, Al Jazerra is a news outlet, not a terrorist organization.  Right now, their top story is about the Pope.  

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    Even if the Pats had finally resigned Welker...the Pats would still look bad.  Taking Welker to the wall is in extremely poor taste.  This article doesn't add or change the fact for me, that BB is beyond stubborn and put something like ego and who-knows-what-else before the good of the team in this instance. 

    You'll never convince me the team is better with Amendola than Welker.  I don't really care about the years...although in the longterm, it may be a factor.  There's nothing against Amendola either...he might be a good player, but he'll definitely need to remain healthy for this to even be a valid debate.

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:

     

    Just for the record, Al Jazerra is a news outlet, not a terrorist organization.  Right now, their top story is about the Pope.  

     



    thanks for educating beyond the mass brainwashing of th day.

     

    most dont know that what we are taught is what we believe (in a vacuum).

    for those who do not know, the u.s. govt is the biggest terrorist state in the world and has been for some time, the media and the schools are not going to provide you informtaion beyond the "matrix" the falsities that our entire culture is based on.

     
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    ^^ who are you and what have you done with Bredbru?!

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    In response to xfiles45's comment:

    Kraft is a CHEAP _ _ _ !!! Fill in the blank




    We hear this ALL the time. But when you have a salary cap and you end up spending essentially as much as everyone else - while maiting flexibility so you do not become the Jests - then you are not cheap.

    Put it another way: they are willing to play "stars" at any particular position a certain amount which is often less than otehr teams but they pay the rest of their roster MORE. What is cheap is thinking things half way through.

     

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

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    In response to xfiles45's comment:

     

    Kraft is a CHEAP _ _ _ !!! Fill in the blank

     




    We hear this ALL the time. But when you have a salary cap and you end up spending essentially as much as everyone else - while maiting flexibility so you do not become the Jests - then you are not cheap.

     

    Put it another way: they are willing to play "stars" at any particular position a certain amount which is often less than otehr teams but they pay the rest of their roster MORE. What is cheap is thinking things half way through.

     



    I partially agree but looking back on the rosters they tend to fill the cap space in the end with aging vets released during camp to large 1 year contracts (see Ellis for $5mil) They spend to the cap but do they spend wisely to the cap on do they give out a bunch of random bad contracts that end up in dead money to the cap? Last year they had 22mil in dead money for bad contracts they handed out. I would say having $22mil, $8mil of which came from players who played on the Pats for a year or never even played a reg season snap with the team. They have to be smarter with the spending. No more higher priced mid teir guys who get cut immediately. That $8mil is a top end CB on the market right now and it was thrown away for 5 mid teir players that didn't even give anything to the team (Fanene, Ocho, Bodden, Gallery just to name a few)

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

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    We hear this ALL the time. But when you have a salary cap and you end up spending essentially as much as everyone else - while maiting flexibility so you do not become the Jests - then you are not cheap.

     

    Put it another way: they are willing to play "stars" at any particular position a certain amount which is often less than otehr teams but they pay the rest of their roster MORE. What is cheap is thinking things half way through.

     

     


    Wendell and Donald Thomas are surprised to learn that they supposedly are being paid good money by the Pats.

     

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    The guy who has got to be shaking his head is Brady. 

    I've just gained some respect for him and pity him as well. 

    Its pretty clear that he was sold a bill of goods by Kraft to allow NE to restructure his contract.  I admire Brady a great deal for his loyalty, but he obviously hasn't learned very well that this is still a business. 

    He took a low deal on his second contract and the pats dealt Branch.  Now he takes a low deal on this contract and the pats deal Welker.  Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me. 

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    The way the article reads it seems that there was a chance the Pats could've had both Welker and Amendola if things broke a certain way.  Not sure how that would have worked.  The scouting reports I've read suggest that Amendola can and has played on the outside, but it seems that the slot is a better fit and let's face it, he's here to replace Wes. 

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    In response to nomadfan's comment:

    So you really think a 2 year, 10 millions dollars offer is a fair offer for a reliable veteran who is a Pro-Bowler, who always worked with the club, who had never held out, who sat alone on top of the NFL record of most seasons with over 100 catches for receivers, who plays his heart out every game, who put his body on the line in addition last season to return punts, on top of being a receiver?

    Robert Kraft also lied on Monday when he mouthed platitude about him wanting Welker to be a Patriot for life, when he knew all along he and the Pats organiztion has only an insultingly low ball offer for Welker. How Welker was being treated, along with past dealings of the Pats with players like Law, Seymour, Vrabel and McGinest will not go unnoticed by players on the Patriot team and around the league. The Patriot Way cannot be only an one way street.

     




    +1 !  Exactly, and Mike Reiss is Bob Kraft's 5th son!  C'mon people don't be so naive.  The Pats and Reiss can spin it in ANYWAY they WANT!  I"M NOT buying it!

     

     

     
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    Re: Report; Patriots had deal wih Amendola BEFORE Welker signed with Broncos?

    In response to nomadfan's comment:

    So you really think a 2 year, 10 millions dollars offer is a fair offer for a reliable veteran who is a Pro-Bowler, who always worked with the club, who had never held out, who sat alone on top of the NFL record of most seasons with over 100 catches for receivers, who plays his heart out every game, who put his body on the line in addition last season to return punts, on top of being a receiver?

    Robert Kraft also lied on Monday when he mouthed platitude about him wanting Welker to be a Patriot for life, when he knew all along he and the Pats organiztion has only an insultingly low ball offer for Welker. How Welker was being treated, along with past dealings of the Pats with players like Law, Seymour, Vrabel and McGinest will not go unnoticed by players on the Patriot team and around the league. The Patriot Way cannot be only an one way street.

     



    I think a fair offer is what the market will bear. Wes was looking for $8-$10 million per year, and both the Pats and the Broncos thought $5-$6 was what he was worth. Wes signed for $6, so it seems the Pats and Brocos were correct, and Wes and his agent misread the market.

    As far as being "cheap"...it seems they replaced Wes and spent MORE money than Wes would have cost. How is that cheap? 

     

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