RIP NELSON MANDELA..is OBAMA the new MANDELA?

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    Two morons posting back to back. The first moron comes in with a blatantly racist statement because if Obama wasn't black, he'd never make the inference.

    Next, we have Babe who just called Mandeal a terrorist. One of the world's greatest leaders of principle and a guy with incredible intestinal fortitude,  is somehow a "terrorist"?

    You said you attended college, right, Babe?  May I ask where you went to college? Was David Duke your professor by chance?

    RIP Nelson Mandela. He helped change the world for the better.

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    Have to completely agree with you on all points...

    Mandela was no terrorist...he was a victim of a supremely terrorist-reactionary state...there is no genuine and knowledgable source who says otherwise unless they are a member of the KKK or American Nazi Bund...not even that bastion of right wing hate known as Fox Noise Network thinks he was a terrorist. Mind numbing blindness to what happens in the real world...

    Mandela was a leader in bringing divergent and devided peoples together. In South Africa he used sports to bind generations old wounds. His is and will always be a legacy of peace and love, of brotherhood and forgiveness.

     

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    Comrade Melly, we often have commmon ground but ur wrong on this and owe me an apology. i will hold my breath til you acquiesce. there's a difference b/being racist and racialist? UNFORTUNATELY, THERE AINT MANY WHITE GUYS WHO HAD TO FIGHT FOR THEIR FREeDOM IN THE LASt 500 years esp from other races.. got that? its a coincidence of fate or race if u will.. is there a white mandela? is there a white guy in our lifetimes who had to fight another race or pigment to get out of their lands or to give them their basic human dignity or rights?

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    Try South Africa right now.  Or just watch the news once in a while. 

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    i do and actually am friends with a few white southies who had to leave due to the massive rape targeting and killings and lack of much judicial relief. the difference is that its not them per se.. try being black in south africa, u get the same treatment. just a lousy social culture.. kind of happens when you've been missocialized and jim crowed for hundreds of years in your own nation. obama is the most conservative of dems yet he's called every horrible socialist name in the book, mostly due to his pigment. you think if a real brotha (with a slavery-based background) like jesse or al sharpton was prez or a hillary, they would be less conservative THAN OBAMA?  give me a break.

    south africa today is paying for the sins of its past, both white and black. whites arent officially targeted, were allowed to keep their lands and wealth and have legal avenues of recourse. as cheney said about the iraqis, what do u expect from a repressed people enjoying freedom for the first time? of course it is not as bad as before for most (meaning the black majority).. big different suffering in freedom than in legal chains. it will work it self out in generations..

    methinks its harder to for poor bama to find common ground with illogical social teabaggists than for mandela with segregationists/apartheid folks.

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    You really do need help. Obama is a socialist. Don't believe me, trying reading the 13,000 page obama care bill. The largest socialist program beside welfare and SS ever passed. Just because he doesn't belong to the socialist party doesn't mean he isn't one.

    i also seif you've been reading and listening to main stream propaganda too much. try reading some alternative news on what the tea party is and maybe you can make your own sheeple mind up. Not that I support them, but to use social and teabager in the same sentence is like saying purple watermelon. They just don't go together. Educate yourself and turn off the TV.

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    Social Security was one of the more brilliant plans ever.   So is Medicare. My parents earned both.   It's why we are a better country than many others.  It's scary to watch people not get it. 

    I have to laugh at people who are either drunk, delusional or morons who do not realize how bad things were pre World War II.  

    The Tea Party is clearly one step away from the Nazi Party.   Each was an extremist movement.

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    Well, that is one way to look at things Russ. Prior to WW2, from the period roughly 1875-1913, the US experienced the largest growth in its history with no inflation or deflation. There were no social programs being paid by our taxes and there was very small debt because we printed our own money and were more fiscally responsible. The debt now is 17trillion and, we have unfunded liabilities of over 100 trillion that your kids, kids, kids will be paying. Welfare and SS contribute to that, now obamacare, and interest on the debt. i guess you are okay with that.

    the tea party is nowhere close to the nazi party. This is a talking point I am sure you heard on CNN or fox. Both are bs. If you do your research, the tea party is about returning to the constitutional republic by which this country was built. Not the socialist or to use your word nazi regime that Obama has continued after bush's , Clinton, etc put it in place. 

     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

    Socialism is too often simply used - by Americans - as a term of something you don't like. Though there are more branches of socialism than I care to list - or know of for that matter, in political/economic terms socialism in general is characterized by social ownership of the means of production and co-management of the economy. By that definition neither is Obama a socialist nor is the US turning into a socialist society. To claim otherwise is wrong. As in very wrong.

    What healthcare could be viewed as is change towards more of a welfare state. One may or may not like that, but to call it something it is not derails the argument.

    Back on topic. Mandela is right up there as one of the most important figures in the last 50 years. Not as president, but as the leader of the Anti-Apartheid movement, and as symbol of the fight for freedom.

    Obamas presidency I believe has been a disappointment to many, but he too will stand as a symbol, and as a historical figure in the history of your country. 

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    Yes and no. On the surface, socialism is what you say, but in practice, socialism is about concentration of wealth and power. Look at various examples of it throughout history. 

    since we used obamacare as an example lets use this...

    obamacare written by the big insurance companies is supposed to be about providing affordable healthcare to those who can't afford it. Brilliant, I fully support this. However, its not the entire story. It is a tax in e essence being administered by the IRS. Why tie affordable health plan to them IRS? Obamacare was about eliminating competition and moving to a single payer system administered and controlled by the government. Don't like it, won't pay your premiums, the government through the IRS has the ability to garner wages, take property, etc if you don't comply. Yes, this seems crazy, but this is what has been built. 

    Imdont see this as representing anything near a free market economy. Government controls healthcare and now via the IRS has the ability to force compliance. Sounds socialist to me. And there are many other examples that have been put into effect both under bush and obama. 

     
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    The details of Obamacare elude me, as I'm not American. However, even if it is a tax, administered by the IRS, so what? As I understand it, IRS has been in place for many years, and in it's nature it collects taxes. Government/Congress decides how much they collect, and how to spend that money. In this case taxes levied are spent on healthcare. In other cases on military, on infrastructure or whatever.

    In all societies taxes are levied, and the the revenue is spent, that is not what defines a society as socialist.

    But then again, if you really believe that socialism in practise is about concentration of wealth and power, then yes, the US has indeed turned into a socialist society. Wealth in America is distributed so that the richest 1% of the population owns an absurd amount of the total wealth.

     
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    Every once in awhile, and against my better judgment, I stray away from football talk to political talk here….

    Nelson Mandela changed apartheid in South Africa, an amazing and profound change. He sacrificed over 20 years of his life and remained true to his convictions.

    South Africa labeled him as a terrorist…hmmm…well…we were terrorists to the British in Lexington on April 19, 1775 I suppose. Apartheid was a brutal suppression of human life, a devaluing of the human race. Mandela was non violent until he tired of having his people killed…so yes..he formed and led the ANC..what choice did he have.

    Upon his freedom he did not seek revenge, he was not bitter and in fact he forgave his suppressors and extended his hand to them in a pledge to work together to resolve their long standing differences.

    Nelson Mandela was indeed a remarkable and great man. His place in history is secure, as it should be.

    A blog to his passing would be very appropriate…dragging Obama into it simply makes it a Troll posting and takes away from the reflection of the memory of a truly remarkable man.

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    There's a difference between declaring independence and fighting an army and blowing up women and children (Mandela admitted to and always supported violence against civilians) and putting tires around people and lighting them on fire (Mandela was a big fan of this technique as his wife explained).  You may feel he had no choice.  Ghandi and MLK created change without violence- were they wrong?  I'm sure the Tsaernev brothers thought they were justified.  

     

     
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    The only place Obama will go done in history in a good light are all the country's who considered us their enemy and watched this fool destroy this country. Now lets get back to football because I do not want to lthrow up talking about the worst presdient in our modern history!!!!!

     
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    Well as they say the devil is in the details. 

    the IRS has the power to disrupt your life and livelihood that is the issue. When choices are taken away and the only choice you have that is administered by force is government run healthcare then I see that as an issue in a free market society.if all means of production, goods and wealth are concentrated and controlled by the government, that is not a good thing. Free markets use capital in the best way possible. Certainly more effectively than federal government. This in essence is what the tea party is about - taking power back from the federal government and giving it to the states all built upon our constitution and bill of rights. they have been painted by both parties and the media as racist, but that is not the truth. Those in power will do anything to protect it and the tea party before being corrupted was a challenge to this power base.

    Another reason I am distrustful of the IRS is because they are on record of discriminating against opposition groups because these groups don't hold the same beliefs of those in power. That is a dangerous precedent. Of all,of. Sudden you hold a different view, can be targeted by the IRS, they have the power to make your life a living hell.

    Given you are not American it may be hard for you to appreciate our beginnings, those beginnings  built on a constitution and bill of rights that protect people, not government. As of this writing, those rights are being slowly stripped away. For example, the president passed NDAA Which gives government the authority to unlawfully arrest and detain a person without cause nor due process. This goes against our 4th amendment. The president also didn't turn back (as he promised when campaigning) the spying on Americans and collection of their conversations, etc. by the NSA. Also goes against the 4th amendment. 

    These things like obamacare, NDAA, NSA spying on US citizens by themselves may not be viewed as bad with the right spin.but combined, they go against what this country was all about. Individual freedom, liberty, etc. 

     
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    The only place Obama will go done in history in a good light are all the country's who considered us their enemy and watched this fool destroy this country. Now lets get back to football because I do not want to lthrow up talking about the worst presdient in our modern history!!!!!

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    Mandela was a terrorist and Obama is a socialist?  Obama is the new Mandela?  People on this board believe some very strange things.

     
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    People believe what they want and most people are unlikey to change that.

     

     
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    The only place Obama will go done in history in a good light are all the country's who considered us their enemy and watched this fool destroy this country. Now lets get back to football because I do not want to lthrow up talking about the worst presdient in our modern history!!!!!

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    How did you feel about Dubya if you're coining Obama the worst in modern history?  The economic corruption under his 2 term presidency was legendary.

    Might as well look at the 1920s all over again and the leadership then. 

    Worst economic disaster the country still pays for today under his watch.   Sadly, he was nothing more than a puppet that could be controlled and manipulated. 

    HIs first term was pretty good, second term, arguably the worst second term in presidential history.

    I am not big into blaming economies on presidents because it's much deeper than just one person in a suit in a big white house, but Dubya simply isn't that intelligent. Sad when I am smarter than one of our presidents.

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    As long as I can remember,,,Presidents who had a second term,,, had the wheels come off the wagon before the end of it....

     
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    Mandela was a terrorist and Obama is a socialist?  Obama is the new Mandela?  People on this board believe some very strange things.

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    What Mandella will be remembered for as an icon is one thing
    and what he may have been as a man is another. He gets kudos for the great he did. His wife was not so good at all. In the end. the world was far better off for him.

    As to ohole - there is nothing good to say for him. There is no policy domestically or internationally that is working. Even Jonathan Turley -a lib dem who supported Obama-is saying what a danger he is to the Constitution. Not only today but for future presicents The only reason he was elected was cause he was black and the only reason he was reelected was cause he was black. Someone finally beat out Carter for being the worst president of all time. So in the end , the world is worse off for him and the total damage he will do is still unknown. The only Natz like person is Ohole.

    As for you tea party demonizers. The tea party is only for a rational fiscal policy- Against a   $17 trillion dollar debt and still growing. It is not a movement for or against any social issue. Any pol on either side wgo says different is factually incorrect

     
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    Obama is a Nazi?  He was only elected twice because he was black?  The tea party is for a rational fiscal policy?  That's rich.

    You are correct about the constitutional violations due to the National Security state, but Obama is hardly the only one who has failed in this regard.  It is only more disappointing because of his background in Constitutional law.  At least Bush was just an idiot.

     
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    The Tea Party is nothing like the Nazis Rusty.  There is a reason Godwin's law exists.

     
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    Two morons posting back to back. The first moron comes in with a blatantly racist statement because if Obama wasn't black, he'd never make the inference.

    Next, we have Babe who just called Mandeal a terrorist. One of the world's greatest leaders of principle and a guy with incredible intestinal fortitude,  is somehow a "terrorist"?

    You said you attended college, right, Babe?  May I ask where you went to college? Was David Duke your professor by chance?

    RIP Nelson Mandela. He helped change the world for the better.

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    Have to completely agree with you on all points...

    Mandela was no terrorist...he was a victim of a supremely terrorist-reactionary state...there is no genuine and knowledgable source who says otherwise unless they are a member of the KKK or American Nazi Bund...not even that bastion of right wing hate known as Fox Noise Network thinks he was a terrorist. Mind numbing blindness to what happens in the real world...

    Mandela was a leader in bringing divergent and devided peoples together. In South Africa he used sports to bind generations old wounds. His is and will always be a legacy of peace and love, of brotherhood and forgiveness.

     

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    Comrade Melly, we often have commmon ground but ur wrong on this and owe me an apology. i will hold my breath til you acquiesce. there's a difference b/being racist and racialist? UNFORTUNATELY, THERE AINT MANY WHITE GUYS WHO HAD TO FIGHT FOR THEIR FREeDOM IN THE LASt 500 years esp from other races.. got that? its a coincidence of fate or race if u will.. is there a white mandela? is there a white guy in our lifetimes who had to fight another race or pigment to get out of their lands or to give them their basic human dignity or rights?

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    Lots of white people fought lots of other white people for independence, liberty, freedom and from a different form of slavery called taxation. Want to guess who those white people who won were? Let me give you a hint...you wouldn't be posting here with your crazy stuff if they lost. 

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    You're saying that freedom of speech would not exist had we remained part of the United Kingdom?  The last I heard, the UK was a pretty free place.  In fact, in some ways, speech is freer there than here.

     
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    What Mandella will be remembered for as an icon is one thing
    and what he may have been as a man is another. He gets kudos for the great he did. His wife was not so good at all. In the end. the world was far better off for him.

    As to ohole - there is nothing good to say for him. There is no policy domestically or internationally that is working. Even Jonathan Turley -a lib dem who supported Obama-is saying what a danger he is to the Constitution. Not only today but for future presicents The only reason he was elected was cause he was black and the only reason he was reelected was cause he was black. Someone finally beat out Carter for being the worst president of all time. So in the end , the world is worse off for him and the total damage he will do is still unknown. The only Natz like person is Ohole.

    As for you tea party demonizers. The tea party is only for a rational fiscal policy- Against a   $17 trillion dollar debt and still growing. It is not a movement for or against any social issue. Any pol on either side wgo says different is factually incorrect

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    You may know football, but you don't understand politics and history.

    When a new party is created and kicks to the right of the religious right/extremist and cuckoo modern day Republican Party, that's pretty scary stuff.  That's into Nazi Land.  

    If Hitler had succeeded and had a son or sons, the Tea Party would be in line with the Hitlers and Germany/Europe and Europe would be miserable.

    I don't want exclusionists and bible thumpers determining policy in a free country. It's that simple.

    I also don't want people who lack education and common sense dictating policy.  You can always tell who is full of crap when they repeat rhetoric over and over because they want to sound intelligent.

    That's the redneck at Walmart. That's the bible thumper.  That's the angry old white man.   These people are easily manipulated, can't think for themselves and/or brainwashed. They all like the Tear Party and/or race out and vote for Michelle Bachmann or Sara Palin because they never read a book before.

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    HA,ha.... This country needs more people like you, right "Genius"!!!!!!!! Get a life. No, that is impossible for some one who spends his life banging the keyboard and playing with his pud

     
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    The Tea Party is nothing like the Nazis Rusty.  There is a reason Godwin's law exists.



    Sure it is. The Nazis were an extreme right wing party.  The Republican Party today has moved way right.

    The Tea Party is to the right of the Republican Party on the political spectrum. Yes. Absolutely.

     

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    The NAZI's were not "right wing", that's pure spin and rewriting history.  The NAZI party literally means national socialist party.  They were for larger government and more governmental control over industry (as all socialists are).  They had universal health care, the government overseeing industry (like the automotive industry), welfare programs, and big environmental programs.  They were clearly "left" as the term is defined around larger government with more control.  Give me one way the NAZI part was "right wing".  

    This isn't to say the US political left are NAZI's.  The party is infamous for racism and war mongering.  however neither of those things are "left" or "right" ideals.  Even though some people have tried to rewrite history to make MLK and Lincoln "left" or democrats though they were neither.  But you would have to be fairly ignorant of a lot of things to buy this hype of comparing anyone to NAZI's.

     
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    and the washington professional football team calls themselves the REDSKINS... so obviously they are all native americans...

    the mafia calls themselves "goodfellas" that means they're very nice guys. 

     

     

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