RIP NELSON MANDELA..is OBAMA the new MANDELA?

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    Not really.  The economic problems in the US actually have very little to do with Obama.  In general, Presidents have less influence on the economy than most people assume.  It's still a private sector economy and most of what happens is because of market forces. 

     

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    ^ Liberal hogwash. Not unexpected.

    The actions of Presidents have a huge impact on the economy. As just one example: with a word, Obama could dramatically affect the US economy for the better by ending the wars.

     

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    Actually this is true Babe. However, the private entity that has the single biggest influence and control over economic policy and the economy is the Fed. 

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    Well, the government and corporations are really not as separate as we would all like (to say the least).

     
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    I always laugh at simple minded people who think the president can walk into the WHite House, flip a switch and change an economy.

    It used to be easier. The president had more power and the economy was nowhere like it is today with so much complexity to it.  

     

     

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    Says the imbecile as he defends his liberal hero who has dropped the economic ball for over half a decade. LMAO@U

     

    You are so pathetically stupid. The LAST thing you do in a bad economy is create a massive new spending program like Obamacare. This is 1st grade economics dum bass.

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    Reagan raised taxes in the early 1980s, moron.  You're a moron deluxe.  

    Your stupidity is amazing. I will expose you all day on these topics. All day.

    Reagan signed his 1982 tax increase into law in September 1982, even though the early 1980s recession didn’t end until November 1982. Following that tax increase, as former Reagan economic official Bruce Bartlett has pointed out, gross domestic product “grew 4.5 percent in 1983 and 7.2 percent in 1984 – an exceptionally strong performance. The stock market had one of its best years ever in 1983…The unemployment rate fell from 10.6 percent in December 1982 to 8.1 percent by December 1983 and 7.1 percent in December 1984.”

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    Hey idiot, you can't compare the economy Reagan was dealing with to the recent catastrophe. You are so politically inept.

    Obama puts in a massive new spending program when the whole world economy is teetering on the brink of collapse, and you compare that to Reagan in the aftermath of a "malaise". What a Megatool you are.

     

     
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    Some might buy that But the COMMUNTY REINVESTMENT ACT passed in the mid nineties with Frank and Waters "rolling the dice" was a major cause of the FINANCIAL crisis along with mortgage lending to everybody who wanted to cash in. 20% of that lending was speculator driven. Big banks  packaged the loans to"knowing buyers". FANNIE/FREDDIE, gov't agencies were used to 'guarantee" the loans. GOV,T INTERVENTION started the debacle. Did not happen in Canada because the Gov't did not "guarantee" loans to people who could not afford them.

     

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    The CRA had nothing to do with the mortgage crisis.  All of the horrible subprime lenders were institutions that were not subject to the law and any securities that were made out of those toxic loans were securitized by the private sector because they did not meet the credit standards required by Fannie and Freddie.  Fannie and Freddie's market share decreased dramatically during the housing boom because of this.

     

    There were housing bubbles and busts in many other countries that didn't have the CRA or Fannie and Freddie.  In addition there was a huge bubble in commercial real estate which is a market in which the CRA and GSEs are not involved.  No this crisis was caused by private sector greed which has been enabled by the deregulation of the financial sector over the years.

    I don't believe in the existence of Fannie and Freddie as I think they no longer serve their original purpose, and they certainly acted irresponsibly during the housing boom, but they did not cause the housing bubble regardless of how much you anti-government types want to believe it.

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    If FANNIE/FREDDIE were not guaranteeing loans the debacle THOSE securitized loans would have been harder to float and the money used to make more loans would dried up. AGAIN, it didn't happen in Canada which is closely linked to the US economy.WHY?

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    Canadians will tell you a big reason is because the banks are better regulated up here.  It's kind of  a point of pride, actually.  Some of the strongest banks in the world . . . 

     

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    Pro, nobody cares about what Canadians think, except maybe Canadians.

     
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    I always laugh at simple minded people who think the president can walk into the WHite House, flip a switch and change an economy.

    It used to be easier. The president had more power and the economy was nowhere like it is today with so much complexity to it.  

     

     

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    Says the imbecile as he defends his liberal hero who has dropped the economic ball for over half a decade. LMAO@U

     

    You are so pathetically stupid. The LAST thing you do in a bad economy is create a massive new spending program like Obamacare. This is 1st grade economics dum bass.

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    Reagan raised taxes in the early 1980s, moron.  You're a moron deluxe.  

    Your stupidity is amazing. I will expose you all day on these topics. All day.

    Reagan signed his 1982 tax increase into law in September 1982, even though the early 1980s recession didn’t end until November 1982. Following that tax increase, as former Reagan economic official Bruce Bartlett has pointed out, gross domestic product “grew 4.5 percent in 1983 and 7.2 percent in 1984 – an exceptionally strong performance. The stock market had one of its best years ever in 1983…The unemployment rate fell from 10.6 percent in December 1982 to 8.1 percent by December 1983 and 7.1 percent in December 1984.”

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    And we're still paying interest on the debt Reagan ran up

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    How can that be genius, Clinton brags that he had surpluses after his largest tax increase in history?

     
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    Mandela was considered by many a terrorist. He certainly was no Ghandi or MLK. Obama could well be the new Mandela.

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    Typical idiot tea bagger post

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    Hi Rusty.

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    How can I be GlenR, if I just disagreed with GlenR's comment above. Christ, you are the biggest moron over the age of 60 I've ever encountered.

     

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    It's all part of you dishonest plan dumbkoff.

     
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    Not really.  The economic problems in the US actually have very little to do with Obama.  In general, Presidents have less influence on the economy than most people assume.  It's still a private sector economy and most of what happens is because of market forces. 

     

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    ^ Liberal hogwash. Not unexpected.

    The actions of Presidents have a huge impact on the economy. As just one example: with a word, Obama could dramatically affect the US economy for the better by ending the wars.

     

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    Actually this is true Babe. However, the private entity that has the single biggest influence and control over economic policy and the economy is the Fed. 

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    Well, the government and corporations are really not as separate as we would all like (to say the least).

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    True.

     
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    I always laugh at simple minded people who think the president can walk into the WHite House, flip a switch and change an economy.

    It used to be easier. The president had more power and the economy was nowhere like it is today with so much complexity to it.  

     

     

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    Says the imbecile as he defends his liberal hero who has dropped the economic ball for over half a decade. LMAO@U

     

    You are so pathetically stupid. The LAST thing you do in a bad economy is create a massive new spending program like Obamacare. This is 1st grade economics dum bass.

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    Reagan raised taxes in the early 1980s, moron.  You're a moron deluxe.  

    Your stupidity is amazing. I will expose you all day on these topics. All day.

    Reagan signed his 1982 tax increase into law in September 1982, even though the early 1980s recession didn’t end until November 1982. Following that tax increase, as former Reagan economic official Bruce Bartlett has pointed out, gross domestic product “grew 4.5 percent in 1983 and 7.2 percent in 1984 – an exceptionally strong performance. The stock market had one of its best years ever in 1983…The unemployment rate fell from 10.6 percent in December 1982 to 8.1 percent by December 1983 and 7.1 percent in December 1984.”

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    And we're still paying interest on the debt Reagan ran up

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    How can that be genius, Clinton brags that he had surpluses after his largest tax increase in history?

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    The surplus certainly was not due to any tax cuts. I am just saying, the success in the private sector and E-Commerce is really why the economy boomed and it had nothing to do with Clinton's policies. He certainly didn't screw anything up, which was nice.

    Capiche, liverlips?

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    Clinton had the largest tax increase in history at that time. There's your answer DB. You need not look at the dotcom bubble.

     
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    Mandela was considered by many a terrorist. He certainly was no Ghandi or MLK. Obama could well be the new Mandela.

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    Typical idiot tea bagger post

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    If I was a tea bagger you might make sense vag face. I'm a moderate, which most libertarian leaners are.

     

     
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    Great place he "freed".

     

    South Africa, hosting the soccer World Cup and brimful of tourists,
    must seem like heaven to criminals. This country has been described as the
    ‘rape capital of the world’, with 118.3 rapes per 100,000 people.
    Not only is the high incidence of rape bad news for visitors, but there's also
    an incredibly high murder rate. This country consistently has one of the highest
    homicide rates in the world. While most crime occurs in poor areas,
    gated communities have been appearing all over the country,
    and armed guards regularly protect the wealthier tourist groups.
    Farming here has become one of the most dangerous jobs on earth,
    as murder rates for farmers are about 8 times higher than the national average.
    With over 10 million people infected with HIV, safe sex is also a good idea.
    A beautiful place to visit, but be on your guard.

     

     
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    I always laugh at simple minded people who think the president can walk into the WHite House, flip a switch and change an economy.

    It used to be easier. The president had more power and the economy was nowhere like it is today with so much complexity to it.  

     

     

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    Says the imbecile as he defends his liberal hero who has dropped the economic ball for over half a decade. LMAO@U

     

    You are so pathetically stupid. The LAST thing you do in a bad economy is create a massive new spending program like Obamacare. This is 1st grade economics dum bass.

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    Reagan raised taxes in the early 1980s, moron.  You're a moron deluxe.  

    Your stupidity is amazing. I will expose you all day on these topics. All day.

    Reagan signed his 1982 tax increase into law in September 1982, even though the early 1980s recession didn’t end until November 1982. Following that tax increase, as former Reagan economic official Bruce Bartlett has pointed out, gross domestic product “grew 4.5 percent in 1983 and 7.2 percent in 1984 – an exceptionally strong performance. The stock market had one of its best years ever in 1983…The unemployment rate fell from 10.6 percent in December 1982 to 8.1 percent by December 1983 and 7.1 percent in December 1984.”

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    And we're still paying interest on the debt Reagan ran up

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    How can that be genius, Clinton brags that he had surpluses after his largest tax increase in history?

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    The surplus certainly was not due to any tax cuts. I am just saying, the success in the private sector and E-Commerce is really why the economy boomed and it had nothing to do with Clinton's policies. He certainly didn't screw anything up, which was nice.

    Capiche, liverlips?

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    True, nothing that reared its ugly head during his presidency. However, things he did, allowed affect us still today...repeal of glass-steagall ring a bell? It was repealed on clintons watch..

     
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    Great place he "freed".

     

    South Africa, hosting the soccer World Cup and brimful of tourists,
    must seem like heaven to criminals. This country has been described as the
    ‘rape capital of the world’, with 118.3 rapes per 100,000 people.
    Not only is the high incidence of rape bad news for visitors, but there's also
    an incredibly high murder rate. This country consistently has one of the highest
    homicide rates in the world. While most crime occurs in poor areas,
    gated communities have been appearing all over the country,
    and armed guards regularly protect the wealthier tourist groups.
    Farming here has become one of the most dangerous jobs on earth,
    as murder rates for farmers are about 8 times higher than the national average.
    With over 10 million people infected with HIV, safe sex is also a good idea.
    A beautiful place to visit, but be on your guard.

     

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    Wow, sounds like heaven. I heard Barry, Bill and George had a great vacation there recently and got a chance to hob knob with all the great socialist and communist leaders from around the globe. A regular who's who of despot nations.

     
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    Babe , am certainly not taking shots at you, just a comment

    I think it too linear to say tax increases were the reason behind the Clinton economy

    First I believe not all tax reductions are good and certainly not all tax increases are either. his and Reagan's did not have a net negative impact along with all of the other policies of those times.

    It never ceases to amaze me how resilient our economy is

    Clinton came in with , a growing economy, low oil costs, a strong $, strong banks, a strong military, ,no other country that could be considered a super power, a structure to keep fed spending in check,  and other things.  He was the luckiest person to ever take over as President. He was also fortunate to be there during the greatest era of productivity increases which were caused by computer and technogy to that point in our history. He did do welfare reform, China trade was increased. He initiated measures to the Fannie Freddie big bank fiasco, so I think it maybe a little to easy to say it was tax increases that helped the economy if that is what you were saying.

    Mandella gets marks for getting rid of apartheid, And for that and his persona he gained Iconic status. Did you see the thugs at his ceremony , at least when Obama wasn't flirting, After that he was not really too much. And like almost all ( there may be one I don't know) socialist left wing leaders they make things worse for everyone . SA is no exception. He was head of the SA communist party, and in the early 90s he praised Cuba for great civil rights and blamed the USA many ills. I am sure I will be called names for that , but let truth set them free lol

    I am a conservative/ libertarian, but then I heard Rusty say that too, so I am confused

    Lol lol lol

    not a shot at anyone , just seems funny

    have a good one

     
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    Mandela was considered by many a terrorist. He certainly was no Ghandi or MLK. Obama could well be the new Mandela.

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    Agree. Lets put him in prison for 27 years (or how many ever years it was) to see if hes the same as Mandela. Lol 

     
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    I have really only a few problems with Clinton

     

    1. he gave our missile tech  to china. Their missiles kept falling into the sea. as md Allbright said ! They are only going to use it for commercial projects, not military ones. maybe one of the dumbest things ever said

    2. Reno threatened banks with prosecution over  banks not lending to minorities. from thatlending  standards became almost nonexistent and the great bubble was on

    3. I absolutely hate his SCJ appointment. I never believe an activist belongs there for starters

    and he really shouldn't have wagged his finger and lied to a judge. and some how I believe he had a war on women.lol

    On the Reagan tax increases and deficits , it's a little more complex than what has been said here, but I think I have forgotten too much too debate lol

    Btw There are things  I crunch W for too, but i can leave that well alone. but he may be the unluckiest guy to come into office

    Obama  to me is a complete loss. and now I am less alone. I see no policy that he has that is working and the worst of obamacare is not yet unleashed.

    oh well hope the bolts can hang on

     
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    Obama is an empty suit and nothing more....Disaster as a President....

     
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    I have really only a few problems with Clinton

     

    1. he gave our missile tech  to china. Their missiles kept falling into the sea. as md Allbright said ! They are only going to use it for commercial projects, not military ones. maybe one of the dumbest things ever said

    2. Reno threatened banks with prosecution over  banks not lending to minorities. from thatlending  standards became almost nonexistent and the great bubble was on

    3. I absolutely hate his SCJ appointment. I never believe an activist belongs there for starters

    and he really shouldn't have wagged his finger and lied to a judge. and some how I believe he had a war on women.lol

    On the Reagan tax increases and deficits , it's a little more complex than what has been said here, but I think I have forgotten too much too debate lol

    Btw There are things  I crunch W for too, but i can leave that well alone. but he may be the unluckiest guy to come into office

    Obama  to me is a complete loss. and now I am less alone. I see no policy that he has that is working and the worst of obamacare is not yet unleashed.

    oh well hope the bolts can hang on



    Dude, you're a right wing Republican.  You're in no way a Liberatarian. Anyone who claims Bush came into the presidency with a surplus and in peace time and claim he was "unlucky" might ride a short bus.

    If he had any foresight at all he would have immediately pushed for Glass Steagall to be put back into law.

    Bush is obviously the dumbest of the presidents or at least top 3.

     

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    Reagan was best President this country had in last 50 years, and Clinton wa by far the best politician....He beat Gingrich and the Republicans at every charge they brought against him and made them look like idiots....

     
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    I always laugh at simple minded people who think the president can walk into the WHite House, flip a switch and change an economy.

    It used to be easier. The president had more power and the economy was nowhere like it is today with so much complexity to it.  

     

     

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    Says the imbecile as he defends his liberal hero who has dropped the economic ball for over half a decade. LMAO@U

     

    You are so pathetically stupid. The LAST thing you do in a bad economy is create a massive new spending program like Obamacare. This is 1st grade economics dum bass.

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    Reagan raised taxes in the early 1980s, moron.  You're a moron deluxe.  

    Your stupidity is amazing. I will expose you all day on these topics. All day.

    Reagan signed his 1982 tax increase into law in September 1982, even though the early 1980s recession didn’t end until November 1982. Following that tax increase, as former Reagan economic official Bruce Bartlett has pointed out, gross domestic product “grew 4.5 percent in 1983 and 7.2 percent in 1984 – an exceptionally strong performance. The stock market had one of its best years ever in 1983…The unemployment rate fell from 10.6 percent in December 1982 to 8.1 percent by December 1983 and 7.1 percent in December 1984.”

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    And we're still paying interest on the debt Reagan ran up

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    How can that be genius, Clinton brags that he had surpluses after his largest tax increase in history?

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    The surplus certainly was not due to any tax cuts. I am just saying, the success in the private sector and E-Commerce is really why the economy boomed and it had nothing to do with Clinton's policies. He certainly didn't screw anything up, which was nice.

    Capiche, liverlips?

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    True, nothing that reared its ugly head during his presidency. However, things he did, allowed affect us still today...repeal of glass-steagall ring a bell? It was repealed on clintons watch..

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    I agree. I've also asked why the media has never asked him why he signed off on it. If I ever met the guy, I'd ask him point blank.  I;d love to know the logic.

    Two things I did not like about Clinton in terms of things he did or did or didn't do that I find almost inexplicable:

    1. He had a green light from the CIA to take out Bin Laden in 1998. This was pre USS COle in 2000. I believe it was former CIA Director or operative veteran in 2002 or 2003, who might be dead now, Charles Woolsey, that said the CIa had a shot at him in a village. Clinton asked if villagers might be harmed, he was told yes, and he said no. It was interview/piece I saw on Frontline/PBS back in the day.

    To me, this shows a sign of weak fabric in terms of leadership.  Clearly, they knew about Bin Laden before the public did, too, because they were trailing him.

    Anyway, not trying to armchair 9/11 here, but I found that to be just annoying that our president has no balls and didn't do the right thing.  He wussied out on handling the crisis in the Balkans, too.  The Europeans tap danced like they always do and they were just waiting for us to say "we'll help end this". He waited until a bunch of innocent people were caught up in a genocide and bombed towards the end of the violent run of it all.  At least make it effective if you are going to make that decision.  Minor quibble there, but it shows lack of leadership and decision making. 

    I think he avoided it because of the re-election in 1996. Most of the carnage was going in on his first term.

    2. De-regulating Glass-Steagall. IMO, why the economic disaster is as deep as it has been.  I think a recession was inevitable, but Glass-Steagall made it worse.  It was a revolutionary and progressive piece of legislation at the time and proved to work quite well. It was basicallyt to make sure each sector wouldn't be tied to the other and collapse together.  

    Clinton was a poor leader in terms of decision making.  I think Obama is a much better leader and blows Clinton away in this area.  Obama also inherited a complete and total disaster.  Clinton never would have authorized the raid on Bin LAden for example.   Obama doesn't care about appoval ratings, and Clinton did. That's pretty much all he cared about. His legacy.

    Obama is a good leader that had a crap hand of cards and hopefully can finish with a stronger 2nd term than the 1st.  WOuld be unusual for a 2 termer, but not impossible.

    Republicans and Dems decided to vote on Glass Steagall, but I want to know why on the way out the door in his second term, Clinton signed off on it. Clinton is smarter than I am , but there is no way he could not have thought of the pitfalls with de-regultating that.

    It worked great for 65 years. Why? Why has the media not asked why he signed off on it?

    Lastly, and this is just a pet peeve of mine, his Communications Act in 1996 was a pile of crap, too. Hate that one.

    But, other than that, he didn't screw anything up. The economy was going well and he didn't do anything from a big gov't perspective to ruin it.  I think he's incredibly overrated by Democrats.   Diehard Dems just wanted to root for anything to forget about Carter. Carter, great guy, smart as hell but not a leader or good administator. It's just not his thing.

    His two terms could not have been any cleaner in terms of world problems, the economy, etc.   You could argue had the best deck of cards entering the WHite House of any president in modern history.

     

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    A lot of good points and I largely agree with you.

    however, I think you are severely overestimating Obama. Yes he inherited a mess, but, I haven't seen much leadership nor has he delivered on his campaign promises For the most part. 

    More transparent has become less transparent With the most prosecutions of whistleblowers and how he and holder went after several news outlets like the AP.  there are many more examples. Overall, I thought Obama might be a fresh breath of air, but he has just taken some of the draconian policies that challenge our civil liberties and amped it up a bit. He is not what he sold us on. Probably can say the same for most presidents.

     
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    I have really only a few problems with Clinton

     

    1. he gave our missile tech  to china. Their missiles kept falling into the sea. as md Allbright said ! They are only going to use it for commercial projects, not military ones. maybe one of the dumbest things ever said

    2. Reno threatened banks with prosecution over  banks not lending to minorities. from thatlending  standards became almost nonexistent and the great bubble was on

    3. I absolutely hate his SCJ appointment. I never believe an activist belongs there for starters

    and he really shouldn't have wagged his finger and lied to a judge. and some how I believe he had a war on women.lol

    On the Reagan tax increases and deficits , it's a little more complex than what has been said here, but I think I have forgotten too much too debate lol

    Btw There are things  I crunch W for too, but i can leave that well alone. but he may be the unluckiest guy to come into office

    Obama  to me is a complete loss. and now I am less alone. I see no policy that he has that is working and the worst of obamacare is not yet unleashed.

    oh well hope the bolts can hang on

     

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    Dude, you're a right wing Republican.  You're in no way a Liberatarian. Anyone who claims Bush came into the presidency with a surplus and in peace time and claim he was "unlucky" might ride a short bus.

     

    If he had any foresight at all he would have immediately pushed for Glass Steagall to be put back into law.

    Bush is obviously the dumbest of the presidents or at least top 3.

     

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    Reagan was best President this country had in last 50 years, and Clinton wa by far the best politician....He beat Gingrich and the Republicans at every charge they brought against him and made them look like idiots....

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    Agree. Clinton was a much stronger pres than Barry could ever dream of being.

     
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    Re: RIP NELSON MANDELA..is OBAMA the new MANDELA?

    Can we please close this thread??  It's just sickening at this point.

     

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