RIP NELSON MANDELA..is OBAMA the new MANDELA?

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    Mandela was considered by many a terrorist. He certainly was no Ghandi or MLK. Obama could well be the new Mandela.

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    Any group who tries to overthrow the powers that be, they are called terrorists. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were considered terrorists. The true measure is what happens when the "terrorists" gain power. What happens then? Does the general population benefit from the regime change? Are human rights improved?

    I personally would give Mandela higher grades than Ghandi. MLK is in a whole different league! Obama? Footnote.

     
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    Mao wasn't a dicatator, dummy.

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    No no no, he just did the will of the people mental case. LMAO@U

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    Actually and sadly he did.  Chiang Kai Shek got a raw deal. During and after World War II, the Chinese were a mess.  

    It has nothing to do with the will of the people.  There wasn't a Democracy pre-Mao in China, moron.

    You are digging yourself a deeper and deeper hole. LMAO

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    Okay, you are obviously so shytfaced you can't even make a little sense at this juncture. I'll let this be the end of futile efforts to make sense of your ramblings for this day.

    But..... I will likely be back to bludgeon you again tomorrow.

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    I am not shtyfaced at all, but I do enjoy embarrassing you into next week. Every move you've tried to use here has backfired.

    I expose all trolls the same way including TFB12 and Bustchise.   Very easy if you know facts.

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    Or if you just make them up!

     
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    Finally, Obama is not a Socialist at all. He's a Progressive Democrat. There's a difference.  

     

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    He might have run on a progressive platform, but actions speak louder than words.  He is not as progressive as his campaign would have you believe.  That is what makes the socialist accusations so hilarious.

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    Dude, any Democrat running for any office is labeled a MArxist or Socialist, because it has a negative connotation in this country.  

    I think he's very progressive. I am not even sure what you're last sentence means.

    Bush spent as much money as any president I've ever seen and the Republicans didn't say a word about it for 8 years.

    It's disingenuous.  

    What's happening is, the Republicans want to turn back the clock to the 1950s (and I thought Eisenhower was a good leader/solid president for that period, absolutely), which is ridiculous.  

    Meanwhile, the Democrats have done a better job being the more modern, more inclusive party which is why they're winning those kinds of elections.

    People want progress, they don't want a regression. Why do you think Obama was elected to begin with? All the younger people came out to vote, while Babe shopped at Walmart, thumped his Bible and got all angry with his old white male self all over again.

    FoxNews, right wing radio has basically brainwashed a part of the population to just regurgitate the same scare rehtoric constantly.  It's quite scary.

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    Progress toward what? I think this is what is being debated. Forget for a second about classifications, parties, etc. what is it obama is building toward,what progress?

    obama was elected because of the dumbkoff that came before him and the fact he is black. He also promised the moon and people bought it all. The environment was perfectly set for him as people had grown tired of the old guard. 

    my point of view and you can disagree all you want, is that he is building toward a future where the federal govt has much more control over our daily lives and the individual sacrificed for the collective. Is it good? I don't think so. What made this country strong was individual ingenuity, acting for their and society's interest, supported by the govt in a hands off way protected by the bill of rights and constitution. You can argue we still have this and maybe we do a bit, but not sure how you can argue it is not being purposely chipped away. 

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    Are you saying he's not a forward thinker in general?  JFK was.  I think Obama absolutey is. In some ways, he reminds of that.  I am not saying he is JFK level, but the focus on moving ahead and thinking big is very similar. Every president has their calling cards. Some have more and some are better leaders.

    Reagan was a good leader for the time. But, he wasn't what I'd call a Progressive. 

    The fact you just said a black man was elected because he was black in a country that has 13% blacks in it is moronic and insulting to people who voted for him who didn't see a color. I don't see a color.  I see a leader.  Period. I wouldn't have voted for the guy if that wasn't the case.

    This kind of proves my theory that you have some racist tone behind your comments are very likely a Tea PArtier. You deny it, but you sure sound like one.  

    Finally you;re out of your everlovin' mind if you think when Obama leaves office in 3 years his main goal is to make sure the government becomes more invasive and bigger/more controlling.

    The best leaders adjust. Look at BB.  

     

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    Forward thinker? Again, it depends on your view of forward. If you consider what he has done, put into law, its a mixed bag. Yes, if if obamacare works and doesn't bankrupt us, I would consider that a forward thinking program. Signing into law NDAA, extending the Patriot Act, increasing our use of drones, foreign policy in regards to Iran, Syria, Libya, Egypt not so good, as an Arab spring has resulted in an Arab winter. I don't consider those steps forward at allby increasing the size and responsibilities of DhS, a 100 mile constitution free zone around the edges of the US, how he has dealt with people inside and outside his party, his promise for transparency, actually he said the most transparent admin ever, we never got that. 

    Your bar for a good leader is low. Yes,meh has the charisma of JFK, but not even close in terms of what their vision was. JFK was a much much more forward thinker. More so in my mind than just about any president. jfk was intent on restoring/preserving civil liberties and returning our monetary system back to the people and outmofmthe hands of the fed. 

    pi don't consider Obama a good leader at all. Nor bush, nor Clinton Or any of our recent presidents. Bb is better than all of them combined. They could learn a thing ot two from bb on how to lead.

    And you sound like a democrat not independent. I am not racist, but color certainly had something to do with it. To deny that is nieve. I backtrack on my comment above when I said the reason. It is one of many reasons I would add.

     

     

     

     
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    OBAMA is a racist. There is not a dimes worth of difference between him and Jackson,Sharpton,and Farrakhan!!!!!

     
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    OBAMA is a racist. There is not a dimes worth of difference between him and Jackson,Sharpton,and Farrakhan!!!!!

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    Takes one to know one, I guess Wink

     
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    OBAMA is a racist. There is not a dimes worth of difference between him and Jackson,Sharpton,and Farrakhan!!!!!

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    That is a bit harsh don't you think? Just because he attended Jeremiah Wrights church for 20 years doesn't make him a racist. 

    II would argue that his administration, key dems use the race card anytime they see someone challenging them. it has proven effective to shift blame and change the conversation, but if done too much, it losses its effectiveness. 

     
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    Wow....has to be one of the most painfull things I have ever tried to read....

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    Yes. I was wondering if there was a support group I could join for having read through this

     
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    Of course he didn't have the support of the Republicans. Taft had 4 years to be corrupted. This is well documented.

    It's why Roosevelt created another party and wanted to stop the corruption.+

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    Funny stuff dumbkoff.

    "On October 27, 1911, however, Roosevelt and Taft's deteriorating friendship officially came to an end when Taft's administration filed an antitrust suit against US Steel, which Roosevelt labeled as a "good trust". wikipedia

    So Taft's "corruption" that finally lost support from TR, was Taft trying to breakup a monopoly. LMAO@U

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    Wikipedia.

    Funny stuff. Nice to see you Googling in desperation, but your nutjob approach won't work. You've already lost.

    That suit by Taft was posturing. US Steel was compromised after Roosevelt left office.  Taft tried to show he could appeal to the Roosevelt sector by making it look good with a pre-election suit.

    Didn't work, obviously, Diapers.

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    Wikipedia is citing "Lorant, Stefan (1968). The Glorious Burden: The American Presidency. New York, Harper and Row. p. 512." and "
    Burton, David Henry (2004). Taft, Roosevelt, and the Limits of Friendship. Fairleigh Dickinson Univ Press. pp. 92" in that paragraph.

    If you have something better, post it, or zip it Megatool. Nobody of sane mind wants to read your crock of spin.

    Roosevelt labeled US Steel a "good trust", but according to you the suit was "posturing". Well then, that wouldn't have ended the friendship since a "posturing" lawsuit wouldn't have really harmed the "good trust" TR was so worried about protecting. Idiot.

    Face it Megatool, you are FOS 99% of the time. You have been bludgeoned at every juncture in this yet you claim winning the debate, and like always, you again are simply making stuff up in that garbage dump you call a mind.

     
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    OBAMA is a racist. There is not a dimes worth of difference between him and Jackson,Sharpton,and Farrakhan!!!!!

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    Takes one to know one, I guess Wink

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    Oh, I forgot to mention,OBAMA is also a congenital LIAR!!!!!

     
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    Nice to see you Googling in desperation, but your nutjob approach won't work. You've already lost.

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    Just backing things up with facts dumbkoff, something you nearly never do. Instead you offer us a few of the millions of lies that constantly float around in your demented head.

     
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    Finally, Obama is not a Socialist at all. He's a Progressive Democrat. There's a difference.  

     

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    He might have run on a progressive platform, but actions speak louder than words.  He is not as progressive as his campaign would have you believe.  That is what makes the socialist accusations so hilarious.

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    Dude, any Democrat running for any office is labeled a MArxist or Socialist, because it has a negative connotation in this country.  

    I think he's very progressive. I am not even sure what you're last sentence means.

    Bush spent as much money as any president I've ever seen and the Republicans didn't say a word about it for 8 years.

    It's disingenuous.  

    What's happening is, the Republicans want to turn back the clock to the 1950s (and I thought Eisenhower was a good leader/solid president for that period, absolutely), which is ridiculous.  

    Meanwhile, the Democrats have done a better job being the more modern, more inclusive party which is why they're winning those kinds of elections.

    People want progress, they don't want a regression. Why do you think Obama was elected to begin with? All the younger people came out to vote, while Babe shopped at Walmart, thumped his Bible and got all angry with his old white male self all over again.

    FoxNews, right wing radio has basically brainwashed a part of the population to just regurgitate the same scare rehtoric constantly.  It's quite scary.

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    Progress toward what? I think this is what is being debated. Forget for a second about classifications, parties, etc. what is it obama is building toward,what progress?

    obama was elected because of the dumbkoff that came before him and the fact he is black. He also promised the moon and people bought it all. The environment was perfectly set for him as people had grown tired of the old guard. 

    my point of view and you can disagree all you want, is that he is building toward a future where the federal govt has much more control over our daily lives and the individual sacrificed for the collective. Is it good? I don't think so. What made this country strong was individual ingenuity, acting for their and society's interest, supported by the govt in a hands off way protected by the bill of rights and constitution. You can argue we still have this and maybe we do a bit, but not sure how you can argue it is not being purposely chipped away. 

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    Are you saying he's not a forward thinker in general?  JFK was.  I think Obama absolutey is. In some ways, he reminds of that.  I am not saying he is JFK level, but the focus on moving ahead and thinking big is very similar. Every president has their calling cards. Some have more and some are better leaders.

    Reagan was a good leader for the time. But, he wasn't what I'd call a Progressive. 

    The fact you just said a black man was elected because he was black in a country that has 13% blacks in it is moronic and insulting to people who voted for him who didn't see a color. I don't see a color.  I see a leader.  Period. I wouldn't have voted for the guy if that wasn't the case.

    This kind of proves my theory that you have some racist tone behind your comments are very likely a Tea PArtier. You deny it, but you sure sound like one.  

    Finally you;re out of your everlovin' mind if you think when Obama leaves office in 3 years his main goal is to make sure the government becomes more invasive and bigger/more controlling.

    The best leaders adjust. Look at BB.  

     

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    Forward thinker? Again, it depends on your view of forward. If you consider what he has done, put into law, its a mixed bag. Yes, if if obamacare works and doesn't bankrupt us, I would consider that a forward thinking program. Signing into law NDAA, extending the Patriot Act, increasing our use of drones, foreign policy in regards to Iran, Syria, Libya, Egypt not so good, as an Arab spring has resulted in an Arab winter. I don't consider those steps forward at allby increasing the size and responsibilities of DhS, a 100 mile constitution free zone around the edges of the US, how he has dealt with people inside and outside his party, his promise for transparency, actually he said the most transparent admin ever, we never got that. 

    Your bar for a good leader is low. Yes,meh has the charisma of JFK, but not even close in terms of what their vision was. JFK was a much much more forward thinker. More so in my mind than just about any president. jfk was intent on restoring/preserving civil liberties and returning our monetary system back to the people and outmofmthe hands of the fed. 

    pi don't consider Obama a good leader at all. Nor bush, nor Clinton Or any of our recent presidents. Bb is better than all of them combined. They could learn a thing ot two from bb on how to lead.

    And you sound like a democrat not independent. I am not racist, but color certainly had something to do with it. To deny that is nieve. I backtrack on my comment above when I said the reason. It is one of many reasons I would add.

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    Rusty is no independent. He is a far left wing commie boy.

     
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    Of course he didn't have the support of the Republicans. Taft had 4 years to be corrupted. This is well documented.

    It's why Roosevelt created another party and wanted to stop the corruption.+

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    Funny stuff dumbkoff.

    "On October 27, 1911, however, Roosevelt and Taft's deteriorating friendship officially came to an end when Taft's administration filed an antitrust suit against US Steel, which Roosevelt labeled as a "good trust". wikipedia

    So Taft's "corruption" that finally lost support from TR, was Taft trying to breakup a monopoly. LMAO@U

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    Wikipedia.

    Funny stuff. Nice to see you Googling in desperation, but your nutjob approach won't work. You've already lost.

    That suit by Taft was posturing. US Steel was compromised after Roosevelt left office.  Taft tried to show he could appeal to the Roosevelt sector by making it look good with a pre-election suit.

    Didn't work, obviously, Diapers.

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    Wikipedia is citing "Lorant, Stefan (1968). The Glorious Burden: The American Presidency. New York, Harper and Row. p. 512." and "
    Burton, David Henry (2004). Taft, Roosevelt, and the Limits of Friendship. Fairleigh Dickinson Univ Press. pp. 92" in that paragraph.

    If you have something better, post it, or zip it Megatool. Nobody of sane mind wants to read your crock of spin.

    Roosevelt labeled US Steel a "good trust", but according to you the suit was "posturing". Well then, that wouldn't have ended the friendship since a "posturing" lawsuit wouldn't have really harmed the "good trust" TR was so worried about protecting. Idiot.

    Face it Megatool, you are FOS 99% of the time. You have been bludgeoned at every juncture in this yet you claim winning the debate, and like always, you again are simply making stuff up in that garbage dump you call a mind.

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    Hitler was not a Socialist, nutjob.  I haven't even read any of your delfection responses since the bludgeoning. You're a proven racist and homophobe, Frank Fitts and not many like people like that.

    Enjoy your Tea Partying, nutjob:

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    Mental case, I NEVER said Hitler was a socialist. Up the meds or something Megatool, because you're completely losing it at this point.

    "proven racist and homophobe" ????????

    You are insane. I haven't said a single disparaging word about either of those groups, LIAR!

    I'm not a TPer you wacko. I'm a moderate. Just because I'm not in lock step with you in your commie world doesn't make me a right winger dumbkoff. LMAO@U

    Get help you sick SOB.

     
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    And, yes you did battle me for 3 hours ysterday claiming Hitler was on the left and a Socialist.

     

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    LIAR!

     

    Never said any of that. Never even implied it, because it is the opposite of what is true.

     

    Find a quote to prove that or shut your filthy lying mouth dirtbag. You make an imbecile look like a genius, and you make Ponzi look like an honest guy.

     
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    Rusty

    before I answer you, please answer this, respectfully.

    What is the difference between a democrat progressive and a socialist?

    I have never heard anyone articulate the difference

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    I'm not Rusty so I will not speak for him but that is a pretty simple question and by asking it I  wonder if you actually know what socialism is. [/QUOTE]

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    Americans like to label things as "socialism" or "communism" simply to dismiss them as bad.  It's kind of silly.  If the country is ever to get better managed and make any progress at all, people have to stop doing this silly labeling and actually discuss policy. 

    It's a reality that there's a need for fairly extensive government in large, complex modern societies.  The only societies nowadays that exist with truly limited governments are third-world hellholes.  Once we stop being children and pretending that government is unnecessary we can actually proceed to thinking about how we make government work better.  And when we do that, we don't need to be dismissing ideas out-of-hand by labeling them "socialist" or "communist."  Instead every proposal should be reviewed on its merits and if an idea that seems socialist actually works, there should be no bias against implementing it. 

     

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    Ask a simple question and i get condescension and incomplete answers. The reason i asked the question is because definitions are a moving target-

    For example HC said she was a Wilsonian Progressive - Great - Wilson had no regard for the Constitution, was a racist, was anti women and didnt like the veterans (if i remember right) Now do i think HC believes that - no I don't. But what does she believe?

    So I get to ask the qustion before we go down a lot of rat holes- what exactly is Rusty's answer? what is the debate about - where do we agree - where do we disagree?

    So let me be clearer: What is the Progressive Positon on: Fiscal & Monetary policy, Social Policy, and International Policy at some level? And how is it different from the Socialist. I dont think much. But it is Just an honest question that is all

    To Pro from Seawolf

    I appreciate the straight forward response without condesension.. I think you have a lot right in what you said. Bottom line we should do the things that work and leave behind those that don't. I do disagree with you on the socialism and communism comments as they have produced some of the biggest tyrannys the world has ever seen

    As a conservative - libertarian - there are those things the government must do , and do as well as possible and those it shouldnt do because they are just simply not capable. The things that are Monoploistic in nature - the government must do or properly regulate so as to protect individuals and small groups-

    And to Rusty from Seawolf

    i had to ponder what you said about Hilter and socialism. i still disagree with you - Something tells me that his industry leaders were Nazi's - just a guess -lol and with the marriage of the Gov and Big Business we had his form on Socialism or facism- But that is where i had to ponder a little - yes -clasic socialism is redistributes wealth - Hitler redistributed it to Blue eyed Germans. i dont think the jews or blacks thought they could just open a little shop somewheres and Hitler would leave them alone. Or that any German could do business with them either . he also wanted to take over health care and he also- got into industrial policy-After all it was Hitler who wanted the "people's car" or volkswagon 

    But you know - it doesnt really matter. What does?  Today! Your contention that the Tea Party is next to the right of Hitler insinuates racism, anti semetism and anti free market solutions - you are wrong on all. In the 2 TP events I was at there were Black speakers, signs for fiscal sanity and no racial signs what so ever. And we werent exactly happy with W either

    Now in Washington there were some fringe elements - who they were and where they were from are unknown, but they didnt represent anyone I know. My friends and family who went did not see any signs - not saying they werent there - but all were PO"D later that anything was like that there.

    but I am also sure that John Lewis and the rest of the corrupt democrats lied when clsimed that racial slurs were thrown at them - That whole march thru the demonstraters was taped and there was not one single slur caught. And later they backed off Just one attempt to demonize and to some useful idiots it works

    My point to you is to just not jump to conclusions and just maybe you would be more persuavive if you just kept to your facts and not  laucch stink bombs at people - even if they had done it to you. ( i will leave the Palin conversation to another day -lol)

    To All, please have a good day!

     

     
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    Hey Mel, isn't it amazing Babe is now denying he didn't spend 3 hours yesterday not understanding the political spectrum and now he's claiming he did not agree with PatsLifey and Seawolf that HItler wasn't a Conservative?

    Amazing.

    It's right here on the thread and he's lying outright.  

     

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    Find it LIAR! Prove it LIAR!

    Let the world see the LIAR that you are. You're a joke here, and a dangerous mental case.

     
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    Clearly, I am not a Communist. I am basically a Libertarian. Socially liberal, fiscally conservative.

     

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    You are as commie as they come. Tell us what your fiscal conservatism entails LIAR. Are you for Obama care? Do you support increased taxes on the rich? Do you oppose an increase in the minimum wage? Are you in favor of entitlement reform?

    Spell it out LIAR.

     

     
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    i had to ponder what you said about Hilter and socialism. i still disagree with you - Something tells me that his industry leaders were Nazi's - just a guess -lol and with the marriage of the Gov and Big Business we had his form on Socialism or facism- But that is where i had to ponder a little - yes -clasic socialism is redistributes wealth - Hitler redistributed it to Blue eyed Germans. i dont think the jews or blacks thought they could just open a little shop somewheres and Hitler would leave them alone. Or that any German could do business with them either . he also wanted to take over health care and he also- got into industrial policy-After all it was Hitler who wanted the "people's car" or volkswagon 

     

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    The Nazis were clearly not socialists. They were certainly involved in corporate cronyism, yet did not dance to the dictates of business. Business went along with them, rather than the other way around. And for that business was rewarded well. Any political mechanism is going to have some socialist components. It is the degree that determines the label.

     
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