Rob Gronkowski

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    Rob Gronkowski

    Any opinions on weather they try to trade this guy this off season? I know it would be a bad time to get maximum value for him, but I took a look at his contract and I don't think he'll be here past this season anyway...he's due a 10 million dollar bonus in 2015 to extend the remainder of his 53 million dollar contract. And when I think of this player regarding what he will be this season, I picture a guy on the pup maybe starting to play in November, being a shell of his former self. Keep in mind Gronk was a little nervous comming back from the wrist injury - I imagine it will be worse comming back from the knee.

    So my fear is (aside from gronk getting injured again) that we are going to have Gronk at maybe 80% towards the end of next season, then we will cut him in the off season rather than give him a 10 million dollar bonus. I guess they could rework his deal, but I imagine that would have to be done closer to now, rather after he completes next season (and has more leverage).

    Could we get a second rounder for him right now? He is a all world talent...the problem is he may never be that again after this knee injury.

    http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/8025822/new-england-patriots-rob-gronkowski-agree-6-year-53-million-extension

     
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    i doubt it, but they need to find another TE like him or with the football skills of Hernandez.

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    So what do you do? Do you give him the 10 million dollar bonus after the 2015 season? Because I can't see that happening. I imagine for that to happen this guy needed to continue with the production he was giving the team when they signed him to the richest tightend contract in NFL history. I guess they could restructure him?

     
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    I expect he won't be 100% until 2015. That's the typical ACL timetable, unless you're Adrian Peterson. But I don't see any reason he won't be able to make it back all the way. The guy is a workout animal. Will he play differently? Maybe, might be more cautious of exposing his legs but I'm not sure if that's a bad thing?

    I just hope they keep him on PUP as long as possible and then deactivate him until week 15 or so. He needs to be on the field in the postseason at 100%. He's the best player in the NFL outside of QBs.

     
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    Assuming he comes back at 90%, I think he is still worth it. This situation is tough because you have a guy with HOF potential who just can't stay on the field. Lets see what he looks like when he comes back and then decide. 

    Regardless, the pats need to do something at TE. I expect them to draft or pickup via FA, a legit combo TE that can block and catch. No way we can continue to roll just with hooman, mulligan, etc. graham from NO isn't in the cards As he's just to expensive. I can't imagine bb wrapping up that much cash in TE especially with herns dead money and what they are on the books for Gronk with.

     
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    i doubt it, but they need to find another TE like him or with the football skills of Hernandez.




    So what do you do? Do you give him the 10 million dollar bonus after the 2015 season? Because I can't see that happening. I imagine for that to happen this guy needed to continue with the production he was giving the team when they signed him to the richest tightend contract in NFL history. I guess they could restructure him?

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    Are you this dumb? Why do you engage Bustchise like you don't know who it is?

    And no, ya don't trade a HOF caliber TE at his age. What a stupid thread title.  All you do is whine and whine and whine, playing this victim role here.

    You, RKrap and all the others lead the must miserable lives. You just love being miserable.

     

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    You hung over? I read online that you're not supposed to mix pain medication with scotch, I'd send you the link, but I really could care less.

    And if you don't think our focus piece in this offense who has a major knee injury, arm injury, back injury, ankle injury and has proven he can't go more than a month without getting injured, is a sure thing on this roster (with a 10 million dollar bonus coming after next season), you are insane.

    Is Gronk a great player? Yes. Is he going to get that 10 million dollar bonus and be part of this team in 2015? Good question...don't know. Neither do you. And no you don't trade all world tightends at his age, but you do when every part of their body has been surgically repaired.

     
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    Rob Gronkowski is.....the $10m man

     
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    I expect he won't be 100% until 2015. That's the typical ACL timetable, unless you're Adrian Peterson. But I don't see any reason he won't be able to make it back all the way. The guy is a workout animal. Will he play differently? Maybe, might be more cautious of exposing his legs but I'm not sure if that's a bad thing?

    I just hope they keep him on PUP as long as possible and then deactivate him until week 15 or so. He needs to be on the field in the postseason at 100%. He's the best player in the NFL outside of QBs.

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    Welker seemed fine in 2010 and that is a guy who cuts for a living.

    ACL rehab these days are a lot different than they used to be. 

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    Remember, Rob was ACL and MCL. He single handedly changed our offense upon his return last season...you don't just dismiss that kind of rare talent that easily.

     
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    I expect he won't be 100% until 2015. That's the typical ACL timetable, unless you're Adrian Peterson. But I don't see any reason he won't be able to make it back all the way. The guy is a workout animal. Will he play differently? Maybe, might be more cautious of exposing his legs but I'm not sure if that's a bad thing?

    I just hope they keep him on PUP as long as possible and then deactivate him until week 15 or so. He needs to be on the field in the postseason at 100%. He's the best player in the NFL outside of QBs.

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    Welker seemed fine in 2010 and that is a guy who cuts for a living.

    ACL rehab these days are a lot different than they used to be. 

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    Remember, Rob was ACL and MCL. He single handedly changed our offense upon his return last season...you don't just dismiss that kind of rare talent that easily.

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    I agree a healthy Gronk is almost as good as a Calvin Johnson in terms of altering the way a defense has to prepare for an offense, but Calvin Johnson never had knee surgery, arm surgery, back surgery and doesn't have a plate in his arm. Gronk is reaching robo cop status and he is due 10 million in 2015. 

    So would you just keep him and then give him that bonus? Perhaps the best scenario is to just approach this thing after next season and get him to restructure, because you can't just hand this guy 10 million.

     
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    He'll be fine he's Polish......Like me. hahaha

     
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    Maybe we do the IR waiver thing with him like the Giants did Ballard?  I mean really, who would be dumb enough to pick up the contract on a TE who can't play for a year and may never run without a limp again?

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    An 80% Gronk is better than most TEs at 100%.

     

     
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    It is not like Gronk is suffering injuries by simply walking onto the field.

    His arm was broken by a freak play on a PAT and his recovery was delayed due to the infection and, possibly, coming back a bit too early.

    His leg was caved in by a full, low, body blow by a DB.

    Lastly, wasn't he playing lights out until that low blow?  The only question now is how will the knee be upon his return.

    Imagine if this type of talk occurred with Brady after 2008?

     
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    It is not like Gronk is suffering injuries by simply walking onto the field.

    His arm was broken by a freak play on a PAT and his recovery was delayed due to the infection and, possibly, coming back a bit too early.

    His leg was caved in by a full, low, body blow by a DB.

    Lastly, wasn't he playing lights out until that low blow?  The only question now is how will the knee be upon his return.

    Imagine is this type of talk occurred with Brady after 2008?

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    Wow, a voice of reason. Every just keep calm, and Gronk On! Go Pats. 

     
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    It is not like Gronk is suffering injuries by simply walking onto the field.

    His arm was broken by a freak play on a PAT and his recovery was delayed due to the infection and, possibly, coming back a bit too early.

    His leg was caved in by a full, low, body blow by a DB.

    Lastly, wasn't he playing lights out until that low blow?  The only question now is how will the knee be upon his return.

    Imagine is this type of talk occurred with Brady after 2008?

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    Wow, a voice of reason. Every just keep calm, and Gronk On! Go Pats. 

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    Over-reaction is the staple of this fan base!

     
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    It is not like Gronk is suffering injuries by simply walking onto the field.

    His arm was broken by a freak play on a PAT and his recovery was delayed due to the infection and, possibly, coming back a bit too early.

    His leg was caved in by a full, low, body blow by a DB.

    Lastly, wasn't he playing lights out until that low blow?  The only question now is how will the knee be upon his return.

    Imagine if this type of talk occurred with Brady after 2008?

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    You got to be kidding me, right? I mean you make it seem like a knee injury of that magnitude is a root canal...nothing major...guy doesn't need his knee..minor. And let's just forget the arm plate, back surgery (yeah no one needs a back), ankle surgery (tiss but a flesh wound) and his final season at Arizona missed because of a back injury. And let's forget that he hasn't played a full post season in three out of the four seasons he's been here...or is that four out of four, I forget. Whatever no big deal.

    And to bring up Brady's knee injury is a joke - for one thing the guy doesn't have to RUN for a living or take numerous hits at his legs from linebackers on every single play. It's a bit different.

    And I'm certain Kraft is enjoying the off the field stuff too...what was that thing he did in that reality show he had/has? Oh yeah his brother said he would walk around the pools in Vegas juiced up on Viagra while wearing a speedo! That's some funny stuff right there! Good enough to be put on tv!

    I don't think it's as cut and dry as you think.

     
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    In response to agcsbill's comment:
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    It is not like Gronk is suffering injuries by simply walking onto the field.

    His arm was broken by a freak play on a PAT and his recovery was delayed due to the infection and, possibly, coming back a bit too early.

    His leg was caved in by a full, low, body blow by a DB.

    Lastly, wasn't he playing lights out until that low blow?  The only question now is how will the knee be upon his return.

    Imagine if this type of talk occurred with Brady after 2008?

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    It did!! There were numerous threads about trading Brady and that he'd never be the same. People wanted to keep Cassel and trade Brady for value "before he had nothing left" much like this Gronk situation.

    I think Gronk will be 100% in no time but in order to keep him that way he's probably going to have to play slightly more conservatively i.e. he has to take what he can get from receptions rather than trying to take every ball to the house. For example on the tackle that put him out, he tried to run through the DB because he was a small guy rather than brace himself and take the yards he'd earned. The thing about Gronk is that he's best used in the red area, i'm not saying for him never to make a catch between the 20's again but when he does use his brain when he's going for YAC and just be aware that guys may just go low on him and try to take out his knees

     
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    Gronk is only 24 yrs old. You have to take his 3 injuries seperately. His forearm should be a non issue next year. He will have the plate removed this offseason and there is no reason to expext a setback next year. As far as his back surgeries go, it didn't seem to hamper him this year. His blocking was as good as ever, and I didn't notice any issues with the back. This offseason gives his back and forearm more time to heal and to get stronger for next year. ACL's are very common in the NFL in today's game.  The medical profession had made leaps and bounds with repairing these injuries. Gronk had one of the best surgeon's in the world perform his surgery. Dr. James Andrews has performed thousands of these surgeries with tremendous success. Gronk may be back week 1 and I will bet by mid season we start to see the same Gronk.

     
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    Gronk is only 24 yrs old. You have to take his 3 injuries seperately. His forearm should be a non issue next year. He will have the plate removed this offseason and there is no reason to expext a setback next year. As far as his back surgeries go, it didn't seem to hamper him this year. His blocking was as good as ever, and I didn't notice any issues with the back. This offseason gives his back and forearm more time to heal and to get stronger for next year. ACL's are very common in the NFL in today's game.  The medical profession had made leaps and bounds with repairing these injuries. Gronk had one of the best surgeon's in the world perform his surgery. Dr. James Andrews has performed thousands of these surgeries with tremendous success. Gronk may be back week 1 and I will bet by mid season we start to see the same Gronk.

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    Maybe he's ready week 1, but they don't need him to make the playoffs. I still say sit him until the last possible minute. 

     
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    Any opinions on weather they try to trade this guy this off season? I know it would be a bad time to get maximum value for him, but I took a look at his contract and I don't think he'll be here past this season anyway...he's due a 10 million dollar bonus in 2015 to extend the remainder of his 53 million dollar contract. And when I think of this player regarding what he will be this season, I picture a guy on the pup maybe starting to play in November, being a shell of his former self. Keep in mind Gronk was a little nervous comming back from the wrist injury - I imagine it will be worse comming back from the knee.

    So my fear is (aside from gronk getting injured again) that we are going to have Gronk at maybe 80% towards the end of next season, then we will cut him in the off season rather than give him a 10 million dollar bonus. I guess they could rework his deal, but I imagine that would have to be done closer to now, rather after he completes next season (and has more leverage).

    Could we get a second rounder for him right now? He is a all world talent...the problem is he may never be that again after this knee injury.

    http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/8025822/new-england-patriots-rob-gronkowski-agree-6-year-53-million-extension

     

     

    2-years of failure hinging on the health of a non-QB means we placed too much of our eggs in one position's basket. Poor strategy, especially since we lost A-Hern too. MOVE ON ASAP.

     
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    I stopped reading quickly.

    Trading him now would net the lowest return possible, and I can only speculate how crippling that cap charge would be as he recently signed his long deal with a significant signing bonus.

     
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    Gronk is such a wild card when it comes to injuries. When it comes to talent- he's a beast at TE.  Crazy good. Don't think trade at this juncture would serve the Pats well.  He's a bionic man  with the surgery, fractures, and tears he's endured - but he  has youth on his side.  No reason to believe he won't recover from his knee injury.  Let's hope he's the x factor next season and plays lights out by staying on the field!

     
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    No, the guy is dirt cheap this year, might as well hang onto him, you aren't out much if he doesn't come back at full strength, but if he does, you get one of the most dominant offensive weapons in the game for a very low price.

     
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    Here's Lacanfora's hard look at Gronks 2016-2019 numbers and the implications if the Pats do pay out the 10 Million bonus. I think Gronk stays but it is a large chunk of money from 2016 forward.

     

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24384246/why-rob-gronkowski-patriots-may-end-up-parting-ways-in-2015

     

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