Rookie Contributions: Immediate Needs

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    Rookie Contributions: Immediate Needs

    I wanted to get some thoughts from some of you in terms of in what order do you put the need for top contributions from this current rookie class.  Obviously some guys will contribute right away, while others will take some time before becoming guys who see more action on the field.  However, what positions, and in what order do you put the teams current needs for rookies to contribute this season?

    Tight end is probably the top need considering who they let go and didn't re-sign, while I'd put OLB, CB, and probably DE as a couple of others.  But I wanted to get some feedback from others here in terms of where you feel their top needs are.
     
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    On offense.
    The WRs and TEs of course.  Folks here complained of the single dimensional offense we had last year and these are two of the reasons.  With Holt on board that means we don't throw the rookies into the fire and they can learn some good things about route running from Holt. 

    On defense.
    I think the Pats "fixed" things on the right side of the run.  DT's Lewis and Warren were added and Pryor has a year under his belt.  Good competition to see who wins this slot.  Spikes will help against the run as well.  The hole that was on the right side of this thing will be better.  A lot will be asked of Cunningham to provide a pass rush.  It takes a while to develop at this position so patients will be required.  McCourty helps a bunch in coverage.  Overall, I see the run defense improved but the pass defense still suspect.

    Special Teams.
    Much improved.  We have a punter now.  McCourty can return kicks.
     
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    I see the CB making an impact. Some of the WR will breakthrough also.
     
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    On offense. The WRs and TEs of course.  Folks here complained of the single dimensional offense we had last year and these are two of the reasons.  With Holt on board that means we don't throw the rookies into the fire and they can learn some good things about route running from Holt.  On defense. I think the Pats "fixed" things on the right side of the run.  DT's Lewis and Warren were added and Pryor has a year under his belt.  Good competition to see who wins this slot.  Spikes will help against the run as well.  The hole that was on the right side of this thing will be better.  A lot will be asked of Cunningham to provide a pass rush.  It takes a while to develop at this position so patients will be required.  McCourty helps a bunch in coverage.  Overall, I see the run defense improved but the pass defense still suspect. Special Teams. Much improved.  We have a punter now.  McCourty can return kicks.
    Posted by garytx

    Do you really think Belichick is going to start both Spikes and Cunningham ahead of veterans like Guyton, TBC, Burgess, Crable, Ninkovich, McKenzie? 

    Unless these guys get hurt I don't see the either Spikes or Cunningham starting over them. Last year should show you that rookies don't play a factor unless there is an injury in New England. 


     
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    The only rookies I see making an impact are Hernandez, Mesko and Price. 


    Hernandez is weapon X for the Pats. They'll split him out wide, line him up at FB, TE, even put him in the slot. 

    Mesko is the punter. He'll have to make an impact. 

    Price will probably beat out Tate and Holt as the number 3 WR. 
     
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    The only rookies I see making an impact are Hernandez, Mesko and Price.  Hernandez is weapon X for the Pats. They'll split him out wide, line him up at FB, TE, even put him in the slot.  Mesko is the punter. He'll have to make an impact.  Price will probably beat out Tate and Holt as the number 3 WR. 
    Posted by 49Patriots
    Price in no-way is going to beat out Tate.Tate is going to be loved in New England for a long time. THIS GUY HAS IT.
     
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    You guys seem to believe that Tate will beat out Price, but Price, unlike Tate, made his name as a receiver in college. Tate made his name as a return specialist. 
     
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    Well I think two of our biggest trouble areas last year were scoring in the red zone and stopping the run.   So I'll have to go with Gronkowski on offense to be the red zone target that we've been looking for and I'll say Mckenzi (He's still techniclly a rookie) to be the guy to step up and be the thumper that we need to help in the run game. 
     
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    49patriots I wanted to quote one of your posts because it was wrong but the more I scrolled the more nonsense you posted.

    "Do you really think Belichick is going to start both Spikes and Cunningham ahead of veterans like Guyton, TBC, Burgess, Crable, Ninkovich, McKenzie?"

    Tully has the most experience and his role as a starter isnt guaranteed at all. Burgess has been here for less than 1 year, as well as Ninkovich, and McKenzie, Crable has been here for 3 years and your calling him a vet and talking about him like hes not on the roster bubble. Spikes competition is at ILB and Guyton is a passing down LB while Spikes right now is a 2 down LB and can play against the rush and is the thumper we have been looking for. McKenzie is an average rotational player who just tore his ACL his impact is going to be minimal. So Cunningham and Spikes right now look primed to be getting a shot this preseason and Spikes is likely to get a bunch of PT this year while Cunningham will probably just play on third downs. Cunningham will probably have a long road.


    "Price will probably beat out Tate and Holt as the number 3 WR."

    Is this a serious post? This guy barley ran routes in college as it was a run team and I have seen him block hes probably one of the better ones you will find. He needs to work on his route running this year and hes not likely to beat out Tate or Holt. 

    "You guys seem to believe that Tate will beat out Price, but Price, unlike Tate, made his name as a receiver in college. Tate made his name as a return specialist"

    No the Pats think that he can grab the third WR spot, and if Brady trusts Tate hes starting. Also what nonsense are you spewing again he made his name as a return specialist but before he got hurt he was making noise as a legit WR. He can play WR and if Brady and Bill thinks he can I think imma lean that way.

    Next time bud try looking up some stuff and maybe watching some of these guys. 

    Spikes
    Zoltan
    Gronk
    Hernandez
    Cunningham

    Will all have an impact this year and it looks like they are expected to. Their is very little depth at TE and Gronk is going to be a good in line blocker. Hernandez like 49 said will be that guy who lines up all over the place. Zoltan is going to be our punter for awhile. Cunningham has one of the most underrated first steps of the past draft and he will shock people. Spikes is a monster. 
     
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    In Response to Re: Rookie Contributions: Immediate Needs : Do you really think Belichick is going to start both Spikes and Cunningham ahead of veterans like Guyton, TBC, Burgess, Crable, Ninkovich, McKenzie?  Unless these guys get hurt I don't see the either Spikes or Cunningham starting over them. Last year should show you that rookies don't play a factor unless there is an injury in New England. 
    Posted by 49Patriots


    If they out perform the vets in camp, grasp the defense and deserve to start, absolutely.  When has BB not played the guys that give him the best chance to win?

     
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    Check out this link, it adds some more insight into the conversation!

    http://www.nesn.com/2010/07/patriots-draft-class-could-play-major-role-in-defining-2010-season.html
     
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    In Response to Re: Rookie Contributions: Immediate Needs : Do you really think Belichick is going to start both Spikes and Cunningham ahead of veterans like Guyton, TBC, Burgess, Crable, Ninkovich, McKenzie?  Unless these guys get hurt I don't see the either Spikes or Cunningham starting over them. Last year should show you that rookies don't play a factor unless there is an injury in New England. 
    Posted by 49Patriots


    The Spikes situation is a mixed bag.  With running teams I can see him starting, with passing teams I see Guyton in there.  It will be probably some kind of mix depending on the team and situation the Pats go up against.  So starting is some what of a loaded question.

    I do not expext Cunningham to start but pressure will be put on him by the media and fans to produce a pass rush.  If he doesn't this place will erupt in "he's a bust" mantra.
     
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    What order are the needs for top contributors?
    Depends, Thomas Welch OT or Ted Larsen at center would be pleasant surprises.
    With Mankins out til week 10 if one of these 2 make a good showing, it would let the pats re-shuffle the OL otherwise the pats will be very actively looking for someone else to help.
    The Pats need a punter. Can Mesko be the guy?
    If Crumpler can still run block effectively, the pats would still need "Gonk" to be an effective pass catcher otherwise they will find another TE.
    To me \Hernandez is not a starting TE, he may fit better at FB or slot.
    I have to agree with most of the previous posts. The defensive improvements will largely come from the second year players or a McKenzie or Crable
     

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