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    Rule of thumb

    The rule of thumb is that you get a starter with a first round pick.  Did the Patriots?  Starting with #22 where the Patriots should have remained, did Denver then Green Bay and Dallas get a player who will start and immediately improve their team?  Absolutely!  I will keep the faith but the second round better produce some players that play.  The Patriots desperately need a few players on defense who are mean, nasty, and can intimidate.
     
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    Totally agree chaucer...  Oh well, there's always some First Day winners and some first day losers.  Just like the 3 teams that you yourself mentioned, chaucer:  Dallas (WR Dez Bryant), Denver (WR Demaryius Thomas & QB Tim Tebow), and Green Bay (OT Bryan Buluaga) = Now IF New England could have come away with any 1 of these 3 Teams Draft Picks, THEN New England could be a winner like they were...and not a Rd 1 loser

    Dez Bryant would have been PERFECT as a Patriot, Has the height of a #2 WR and so what IF he's extremely poor at reading Defensive Coverages...no biggee.  NE's current QB with Brady only runs his passing plays predicated being on the exact same page as his WRs in understanding potential soft spots with specific defensive looks per each play and exploiting them by shortening or lengthening the routes that the wideout runs...So IF Dez Bryant is bad at this, then hey-It only means EVERYthing.

    Next with Denver and Demaryius Thomas and Tim Tebow.  Again, Thomas has that critical size NE would be looking for in getting a good #2 WR.  And next up with the criterion is the sure-hands of a #2 possession receiver and the pin-point accurate route trees of a #2 WR (and a WR who would be running in an Offense that BOTH Moss & Welker called, "The MOST complicated passing offense that they had ever been on").  So yea, even though Demaryius Thomas's complete and TOTAL shortcoming is his poor routes and hard hands, Thomas DOES have simply UNreal potential Yards After the Catch running and cutting abilities, so yea-even though that's not at all what you look for in a #2 WR, it should still count.  And Tim Tebow?  Perfect fit in NE too!  NE and Belichick likes pocket passing QBs that run  greatly outta the shotgun, and even though Tebow doesn't fit 1 single bit, Imo Tebow could also be an undersized pass-catching TE (even though NE looks for blocking TEs), OR Tebow could be a sweep pitch option QB/RB (even though NE doesn't use QBs as such and even though NE does far better deploying bigger between-the-tackles RBs).

    So now onto Green Bay and GB's draft pick of OT Bryan Bulaga...  A team ALWAYS could use a good Tackle.  And again, so what IF New England deploys a zone-blocking run scheme, because they have the rest of the O-Line as smaller, more agile, and built much more for being fleet-of-foot against the pass rush in order to protect Brady, AND how Green Bay just like many of those NFC North/Central Teams use much larger O-Lineman, who are geared less for pass-blocking, but instead rather-they're built to engulf the defenders in standard run-blocking schematics, AND that Bulaga DOES fit Green Bay's scheme 10 times better than Bulaga would EVER precisely fit what New England looks for in O-Lineman...Imo, You're right-New England in drafting Bulaga, Would have been a Rd 1 WINNER...

    So hey, At the very least-You know what you're talking about, right?  And that's what matters most...   
     
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    In Response to Re: Rule of thumb: They should have kept trading down and getting more picks, because McCourty would have been around. Alternatively, doing what they did, then drafting Wilson, Kindle, or Hughes was the play. Maybe McCourty will prove us wrong and be an immediate impact Pro Bowler. Time will tell. But based on what we know now...and the fans are way more knowledgable than people think, this pick is a disappointment.
    Totally agree chaucer ...  Oh well, there's always some First Day winners and some first day losers.  Just like the 3 teams that you yourself mentioned, chaucer:  Dallas (WR Dez Bryant), Denver (WR Demaryius Thomas & QB Tim Tebow), and Green Bay (OT Bryan Buluaga) = Now IF New England could have come away with any 1 of these 3 Teams Draft Picks, THEN New England could be a winner like they were...and not a Rd 1 loser .  Dez Bryant would have been PERFECT as a Patriot, Has the height of a #2 WR and so what IF he's extremely poor at reading Defensive Coverages...no biggee.  NE's current QB with Brady only runs his passing plays predicated being on the exact same page as his WRs in understanding potential soft spots with specific defensive looks per each play and exploiting them by shortening or lengthening the routes that the wideout runs...So IF Dez Bryant is bad at this, then hey-It only means EVERYthing. Next with Denver and Demaryius Thomas and Tim Tebow.  Again, Thomas has that critical size NE would be looking for in getting a good #2 WR.  And next up with the criterion is the sure-hands of a #2 possession receiver and the pin-point accurate route trees of a #2 WR (and a WR who would be running in an Offense that BOTH Moss & Welker called, "The MOST complicated passing offense that they had ever been on").  So yea, even though Demaryius Thomas's complete and TOTAL shortcoming is his poor routes and hard hands, Thomas DOES have simply UNreal potential Yards After the Catch running and cutting abilities, so yea-even though that's not at all what you look for in a #2 WR, it should still count.  And Tim Tebow?  Perfect fit in NE too!  NE and Belichick likes pocket passing QBs that run  greatly outta the shotgun, and even though Tebow doesn't fit 1 single bit, Imo Tebow could also be an undersized pass-catching TE (even though NE looks for blocking TEs), OR Tebow could be a sweep pitch option QB/RB (even though NE doesn't use QBs as such and even though NE does far better deploying bigger between-the-tackles RBs). So now onto Green Bay and GB's draft pick of OT Bryan Bulaga...  A team ALWAYS could use a good Tackle.  And again, so what IF New England deploys a zone-blocking run scheme, because they have the rest of the O-Line as smaller, more agile, and built much more for being fleet-of-foot against the pass rush in order to protect Brady, AND how Green Bay just like many of those NFC North/Central Teams use much larger O-Lineman, who are geared less for pass-blocking, but instead rather-they're built to engulf the defenders in standard run-blocking schematics, AND that Bulaga DOES fit Green Bay's scheme 10 times better than Bulaga would EVER precisely fit what New England looks for in O-Lineman...Imo, You're right-New England in drafting Bulaga, Would have been a Rd 1 WINNER... So hey, At the very least-You know what you're talking about, right?  And that's what matters most...   
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    absolutely right that the rule of thumb is to get a starter in the first round.
    But how many first rd picks actually start from day 1?
    This kid will be one of our top 3 CB's from day one.
     
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    Totally agree chaucer ...  Oh well, there's always some First Day winners and some first day losers.  Just like the 3 teams that you yourself mentioned, chaucer:  Dallas (WR Dez Bryant), Denver (WR Demaryius Thomas & QB Tim Tebow), and Green Bay (OT Bryan Buluaga) = Now IF New England could have come away with any 1 of these 3 Teams Draft Picks, THEN New England could be a winner like they were...and not a Rd 1 loser .  Dez Bryant would have been PERFECT as a Patriot, Has the height of a #2 WR and so what IF he's extremely poor at reading Defensive Coverages...no biggee.  NE's current QB with Brady only runs his passing plays predicated being on the exact same page as his WRs in understanding potential soft spots with specific defensive looks per each play and exploiting them by shortening or lengthening the routes that the wideout runs...So IF Dez Bryant is bad at this, then hey-It only means EVERYthing. Next with Denver and Demaryius Thomas and Tim Tebow.  Again, Thomas has that critical size NE would be looking for in getting a good #2 WR.  And next up with the criterion is the sure-hands of a #2 possession receiver and the pin-point accurate route trees of a #2 WR (and a WR who would be running in an Offense that BOTH Moss & Welker called, "The MOST complicated passing offense that they had ever been on").  So yea, even though Demaryius Thomas's complete and TOTAL shortcoming is his poor routes and hard hands, Thomas DOES have simply UNreal potential Yards After the Catch running and cutting abilities, so yea-even though that's not at all what you look for in a #2 WR, it should still count.  And Tim Tebow?  Perfect fit in NE too!  NE and Belichick likes pocket passing QBs that run  greatly outta the shotgun, and even though Tebow doesn't fit 1 single bit, Imo Tebow could also be an undersized pass-catching TE (even though NE looks for blocking TEs), OR Tebow could be a sweep pitch option QB/RB (even though NE doesn't use QBs as such and even though NE does far better deploying bigger between-the-tackles RBs). So now onto Green Bay and GB's draft pick of OT Bryan Bulaga...  A team ALWAYS could use a good Tackle.  And again, so what IF New England deploys a zone-blocking run scheme, because they have the rest of the O-Line as smaller, more agile, and built much more for being fleet-of-foot against the pass rush in order to protect Brady, AND how Green Bay just like many of those NFC North/Central Teams use much larger O-Lineman, who are geared less for pass-blocking, but instead rather-they're built to engulf the defenders in standard run-blocking schematics, AND that Bulaga DOES fit Green Bay's scheme 10 times better than Bulaga would EVER precisely fit what New England looks for in O-Lineman...Imo, You're right-New England in drafting Bulaga, Would have been a Rd 1 WINNER... So hey, At the very least-You know what you're talking about, right?  And that's what matters most...   
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    It's not about whether I'm right or you are right, Laz, but about whether the Patriots are right and if they could have done better in the first round.  CB is a need in a division with elite receivers in Miami and New York, and I am glad to have a good one.  I happen to think that the Patriots needed to get a better player in the first round, perhaps by moving up, if they wish to stay even with the Jets.  Shelve the sarcasm.
     

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