Same Old Story ,What can we do to break the habbit !!

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    Look YAKV, Babe, and everyone else... what is needed is not to throw out the talent we have (including the coahcing though they had a horrible game v Denver).

    You build dominant teams from the front back. Look at Seattle and SF... great fronts on O and D. Yes talent players too. But what gives them their CHARACTER and makes their talent players have impact is their fronts on O and D. 

    The Pats need to FINISH building the O line - we need a good solid C, good solid RG and a better option at TE if and when Gronk is not on the field.

    On D we need to be more dominant in our front 7. Clearly this means better DT/NT and it is hard to know what we have coming back from injury. Plus we need to take the NEXT STEP in pass rush... I think Nink is a very good player who WILL be here to take on 1 or 2 or 3 roles. But we need something more up front to help guys like him be more impactful. Getting a stud DE would make a difference.

    I agree we also need to upgrade SS (that is Gregory YAKV, not McCourty).

    So we need to make this team fiercer, tougher, more dominant. 

    1. C

    2. DT

    3. RG

    4. TE

    5. DE

    6. SS

    THe order is not hugely important and we can quible. Certainly if Talib is not signed it changes things. Certainly if Gronk has trrouble coming back is ups the TE need that much more. But the first 4 or 5 will make this team significantly better. If Vinny and Kelly (and Armstead) do make a difference next year than the right C and RG and TE will make this team much better - even on D.

    We do need to be better at some positions... and healthier at some. But this reamains a team that is good enough to get to a conference title. Real improvements make it a SB contender. 

     
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    The defense also gave 507 total yards , 

    once the run game was not existent , the pats midget WR coudlnt get seperation 

    not dobson , not amendola can we win games throwing fly routes to edelman or collie with no TE over the middle , we need a big TE and a tough slot WR to run over the middle ,

    a Tall imposing WR would help strech the field and no boyce or thompkings arent the answer

    not sure how long will brady carry this team , with no defensive help or offensive play makers , 2007 was the only year the pats went to take risks in FA and it paid off ,

    but what the heck we can find another Adrian Wilson ,Jonathan Fanene , Visanthe Shiancoe .

    The GM (name BB) has to wake up this offseason 

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    Your analysis is god awful.  Of course you will give up yards to the best offense of all time in an offensive era.

    What did our offense do to help the D? NOTHING!

    We lost 5 or 6 Pro Bowlers to injury early in the season, mid season or in that game right there.

    That has nothing to do with BB the GM. 

    BB and Caserio are the run away Execs of the Year but you're whining about the GM? LOL!

    Brady wasn't very good. Again. Mediocre ain't cutting it. He just can't see to string two good games together in the postseason. It's been like this for years and years.

    He missed so many receivers and he threw over 35 times in a low scoring game. The only good news was no INTs.

    Run game not existent?  LOL!  Teams know we won't be patient with it and we didn't even show we would be with Brady using play action and throwing so much so early.

    All it takes a few run stops and you've got Brady baited.

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    was the defense playing great heck no was brady allowing over 70% compelition on third downs , 7+ minutes of drives ,

    yes brady wasnt perfect but did he give d. thomas ove 130 yards no it was dennard , did he whiff tackles did he cover decker or j. thomas heck no the defense was plain awufl

    blaming brady on the loss is insane 

     
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    Exactly. This kid is probably some teeniebopper or never went to college.

    It's embarrassing. All he and his ilk will do is lube up another Brady doll and blame BB.

    Meanwhile, BB/Caserio run away with the Exec of the Year award and BB is a top 3 candidate for COTY. Incredible job.

    But, people are on here whining about the brilliance of the teambuild because Welkie dropped a cheapshot on Talib and Brady was mediocre again?

    It can't JUST be BB the GM as to why Brady can't string together two good playoff games since 2004.

    Denver's D sucks and Brady made it look like the '85 Bears.

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    This "kid" is not an english native speaker but been a pats fan long enough to know that things arent working on the defense for years starting in the 2006 AFCCG 

    you cant sugar coat it 

     
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    Look YAKV, Babe, and everyone else... what is needed is not to throw out the talent we have (including the coahcing though they had a horrible game v Denver).

    You build dominant teams from the front back. Look at Seattle and SF... great fronts on O and D. Yes talent players too. But what gives them their CHARACTER and makes their talent players have impact is their fronts on O and D. 

    The Pats need to FINISH building the O line - we need a good solid C, good solid RG and a better option at TE if and when Gronk is not on the field.

    On D we need to be more dominant in our front 7. Clearly this means better DT/NT and it is hard to know what we have coming back from injury. Plus we need to take the NEXT STEP in pass rush... I think Nink is a very good player who WILL be here to take on 1 or 2 or 3 roles. But we need something more up front to help guys like him be more impactful. Getting a stud DE would make a difference.

    I agree we also need to upgrade SS (that is Gregory YAKV, not McCourty).

    So we need to make this team fiercer, tougher, more dominant. 

    1. C

    2. DT

    3. RG

    4. TE

    5. DE

    6. SS

    THe order is not hugely important and we can quible. Certainly if Talib is not signed it changes things. Certainly if Gronk has trrouble coming back is ups the TE need that much more. But the first 4 or 5 will make this team significantly better. If Vinny and Kelly (and Armstead) do make a difference next year than the right C and RG and TE will make this team much better - even on D.

    We do need to be better at some positions... and healthier at some. But this reamains a team that is good enough to get to a conference title. Real improvements make it a SB contender. 

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    My concern is how we acquire this when those guys on the line are so damn expensive in free agency, and if you go to the draft, we're picking 29 in the first rounds. Not much to work with. We need 3 years to get those roles filled and developed, and by then new holes emerge.


    The draft is the vehicle, but not enough when you are in the playoffs year over year.

     
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    For a team that finished 12-4 and made the AFCCG the Patriots sure do have a lot of holes!

    There are 4-12 & 5-11 teams will less holes than this team.

    Areas of need.

    CB 

    Safety

    WR

    TE

    Center

    DT

    Can a reasonable person be confident that they can fix some of these problems?

    I do not see how.  Because this team is garbage when it comes to drafting CB's, Safeties, WR's and Linebackers that can cover.

    Entire defense falls apart when Talib goes out.  Do not make excuses that Mayo, Wilfork were out.  They were playing against Ravens last year and Joe Flacco laughed at them while throwing the ball once Talib left. 

    When was the last time the Patriots drafted a pro bowl WR in the Brady era?  Try never!  How is that even possible?

    When was the last time the Patriots drafted a great safety or CB?  Asante Samuel was the last good CB they drafted.  They have not drafted a great safety in 13 years. For all the hype and being branded an elite Safety,  Devin McCourtty sure is invisible in the biggest games. When was the last time he made a game changing play?  Was he even out on the field yesterday.  All this hype about a guy who was a bust at the position he was drafted for and had to switch positions. 

    Cannot believe there are sane people who think he was a better pick than Dez Bryant.  Players like Bryant win championships and make big time plays.  He is exactly what the Pats need.  I hope Belichick is happy with his "safe" pick in McCourty. Invisible and getting abused for 4 years in the playoffs.   Meanwhile imagine Tom Brady throwing to Dez Bryant?!

     

     
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    Look YAKV, Babe, and everyone else... what is needed is not to throw out the talent we have (including the coahcing though they had a horrible game v Denver).

    You build dominant teams from the front back. Look at Seattle and SF... great fronts on O and D. Yes talent players too. But what gives them their CHARACTER and makes their talent players have impact is their fronts on O and D. 

    The Pats need to FINISH building the O line - we need a good solid C, good solid RG and a better option at TE if and when Gronk is not on the field.

    On D we need to be more dominant in our front 7. Clearly this means better DT/NT and it is hard to know what we have coming back from injury. Plus we need to take the NEXT STEP in pass rush... I think Nink is a very good player who WILL be here to take on 1 or 2 or 3 roles. But we need something more up front to help guys like him be more impactful. Getting a stud DE would make a difference.

    I agree we also need to upgrade SS (that is Gregory YAKV, not McCourty).

    So we need to make this team fiercer, tougher, more dominant. 

    1. C

    2. DT

    3. RG

    4. TE

    5. DE

    6. SS

    THe order is not hugely important and we can quible. Certainly if Talib is not signed it changes things. Certainly if Gronk has trrouble coming back is ups the TE need that much more. But the first 4 or 5 will make this team significantly better. If Vinny and Kelly (and Armstead) do make a difference next year than the right C and RG and TE will make this team much better - even on D.

    We do need to be better at some positions... and healthier at some. But this reamains a team that is good enough to get to a conference title. Real improvements make it a SB contender. 

     



    we cant fix it all 

     

    but there are major needs in the OL and secondary not to mention a DT , a team is built over years but our secondry isnt good at all.

    why the hell keep arrington when ever we move him to the ouside we lose games .

    amendola has been a bust and our DL is very suspect , didnt understand why we released love and deaderick .

     

     
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    The defense also gave 507 total yards , 

    once the run game was not existent , the pats midget WR coudlnt get seperation 

    not dobson , not amendola can we win games throwing fly routes to edelman or collie with no TE over the middle , we need a big TE and a tough slot WR to run over the middle ,

    a Tall imposing WR would help strech the field and no boyce or thompkings arent the answer

    not sure how long will brady carry this team , with no defensive help or offensive play makers , 2007 was the only year the pats went to take risks in FA and it paid off ,

    but what the heck we can find another Adrian Wilson ,Jonathan Fanene , Visanthe Shiancoe .

    The GM (name BB) has to wake up this offseason 

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    Your analysis is god awful.  Of course you will give up yards to the best offense of all time in an offensive era.

    What did our offense do to help the D? NOTHING!

    We lost 5 or 6 Pro Bowlers to injury early in the season, mid season or in that game right there.

    That has nothing to do with BB the GM. 

    BB and Caserio are the run away Execs of the Year but you're whining about the GM? LOL!

    Brady wasn't very good. Again. Mediocre ain't cutting it. He just can't see to string two good games together in the postseason. It's been like this for years and years.

    He missed so many receivers and he threw over 35 times in a low scoring game. The only good news was no INTs.

    Run game not existent?  LOL!  Teams know we won't be patient with it and we didn't even show we would be with Brady using play action and throwing so much so early.

    All it takes a few run stops and you've got Brady baited.

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    I agree with you that YAKV comments were mostly gibberish. I also agree taht TB continues to do some stupid things... like throwing deep to Slater... and missing an wide open Julian... TB has one real weakness - he is not good throwing beyind 25 yards. He will hit some, everyone does. But he just is not accurate deep.

    But he is still a great QB nonetheless. First of all his pass blocking has been sub par. Even Mankins blew a big play v Denver and Mankins is exceptional. We need a real solid C. We could use an upgrade at RG. We need a second option at TE - a solid all purpose starter who can be bother a 2nd Te and a starter if Gronk is out. Those upgrades will make the running game better to the point of being close to dominant. They will make the pass blocking better so not only TB but the WRs have time to do their thing. Give TB time... and protect his body... You saw Mannning.. they hardly touched him all game.. give TB the same protection and he will slice and dice... And better run blocking and you have a real offense to rival any others.

    Center... Right Guard, alternative at TE. Let the rookie WRs develop....

    Do this and your O problems are history.

    As for the D, upgrade DT and DE. I like Nink and he should be here and will be here. He is good at too many things. But I would like to see a very good DT/NT and DE to up the pass rush and the dominance in the front seven . Even consider going back to a 3-4 with Nink and Collings on the outside and Mayo and Hightower on the inside.

     

     
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    we cant fix it all 

    but there are major needs in the OL and secondry not to mention a DT , a team is built over years but our secondry isnt good at all.

    why the hell keep arrington when ever we move him to the ouside we lose games .

    amendola has been a bust our DL is very suspect , didnt understand why we released love and deaderick .

     

    1. We agree about the o line in as much as we need new C and RG

    2. We agree about DT/NT though we have Vinny, Kelly and Armstead coming back... so long term we agree and shortterm we agree but perhaps mitigated somewhat

    3. We DO NOT agree about secondary. Talib is clearly a good CB. Dennard is clealry a good CB McCourty is clearly a good FS. Arrington is decent against slot. I would like to upgrade Gregory at SS. It is never a bad thing to improve CBs but they are not the problem. In teh Denver game Manning was hardly touched. Any decent QB let alone Manning will make you pay if you dont touch them, Add that Manning had 4 real standout targets and you know you must field a pass rush...

    5. Amedola is clearly not a bust he caught a good number of passes this year. He played hurt all year. WIll he be enough? We will see. You can make a case regarding his health. But I would not call him a bust. And in this game TB did nto usually get the same time Manning got.. Yes there were some plays he did.. but in general not the same... This goes back to the C and RG and a good alternate for Gronk at TE. Not so much about Amendola.. Plus I think 1 or 2 of the rookies will continue to blossom. I like Dobson at this stage of development and I like Thompkins too.

    6. Love and Deadrick were not all that good....

     

     
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    we cant fix it all 

    but there are major needs in the OL and secondry not to mention a DT , a team is built over years but our secondry isnt good at all.

    why the hell keep arrington when ever we move him to the ouside we lose games .

    amendola has been a bust our DL is very suspect , didnt understand why we released love and deaderick .

     

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    The issues have been the same for 7-8 years.  It started with 2006 season.  

    2007 was a superb year because we had an all time great WR in Moss. Too bad it was only fix for  a year or two  because Moss was already on the downhill soon after that. Defense got old quick.

    What has been done to fix the defense? Drafting Tavon Wilson?  Remember how people laughed at that pick?  Drafting Ras I Dowling?  The guy that was injury prone and is the NFL"s version of Greg Oden?

    Like I mentioned before, the team has not drafted a great CB , SS,  FS, WR in almost a decade!  I think people forget that Ty Law, McGinest, Bruschi were Pete Carrols guys.

    He went to Seattle and built an all time great defense in a passing league!  Belichick has a different idea when it comes to Safeties and CB's,  thats why we have midgets out there year after year.

    The team is cheap when it comes to paying legitimate free agents.  They  had a chance to get Donte Whitner but offered him a 1 year deal.  They could have gotten Anquan Boldin after 2009 but offered him a contract that was for way below what the Ravens gave him. 

    They had a chance to draft Dunlap over Cunningham, especially when Urban Meyer warned BB about Cunningham. They could have gotten Mike Wallace over Brandon Tate. Every analyst had Wallace over Tate.  I am not saying they cannot have busts.  But what does it tell you when they have not drafted a pro-bowl WR, SS, FS, CB in the past 10 years? 

     
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    we cant fix it all 

    but there are major needs in the OL and secondry not to mention a DT , a team is built over years but our secondry isnt good at all.

    why the hell keep arrington when ever we move him to the ouside we lose games .

    amendola has been a bust our DL is very suspect , didnt understand why we released love and deaderick .

     

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    The issues have been the same for 7-8 years.  It started with 2006 season.  

    2007 was a superb year because we had an all time great WR in Moss. Too bad it was only fix for  a year or two  because Moss was already on the downhill soon after that. Defense got old quick.

    What has been done to fix the defense? Drafting Tavon Wilson?  Remember how people laughed at that pick?  Drafting Ras I Dowling?  The guy that was injury prone and is the NFL"s version of Greg Oden?

    Like I mentioned before, the team has not drafted a great CB , SS,  FS, WR in almost a decade!  I think people forget that Ty Law, McGinest, Bruschi were Pete Carrols guys.

    He went to Seattle and built an all time great defense in a passing league!  Belichick has a different idea when it comes to Safeties and CB's,  thats why we have midgets out there year after year.

    The team is cheap when it comes to paying legitimate free agents.  They  had a chance to get Donte Whitner but offered him a 1 year deal.  They could have gotten Anquan Boldin after 2009 but offered him a contract that was for way below what the Ravens gave him. 

    They had a chance to draft Dunlap over Cunningham, especially when Urban Meyer warned BB about Cunningham. They could have gotten Mike Wallace over Brandon Tate. Every analyst had Wallace over Tate.  I am not saying they cannot have busts.  But what does it tell you when they have not drafted a pro-bowl WR, SS, FS, CB in the past 10 years? 

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    hey had a chance to draft Dunlap over Cunningham thats one for the history books also trading up to get chad johnson instead of greg jennings 

    drafting brandon tate over mike wallace , i agree this one is on the GM 

    who has been a master of drafting DB : Wheatly , Butler ,Dowling , meriweather , wilson ,

    chung enough said 

     
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    we cant fix it all 

    but there are major needs in the OL and secondry not to mention a DT , a team is built over years but our secondry isnt good at all.

    why the hell keep arrington when ever we move him to the ouside we lose games .

    amendola has been a bust our DL is very suspect , didnt understand why we released love and deaderick .

     

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    The issues have been the same for 7-8 years.  It started with 2006 season.  

    2007 was a superb year because we had an all time great WR in Moss. Too bad it was only fix for  a year or two  because Moss was already on the downhill soon after that. Defense got old quick.

    What has been done to fix the defense? Drafting Tavon Wilson?  Remember how people laughed at that pick?  Drafting Ras I Dowling?  The guy that was injury prone and is the NFL"s version of Greg Oden?

    Like I mentioned before, the team has not drafted a great CB , SS,  FS, WR in almost a decade!  I think people forget that Ty Law, McGinest, Bruschi were Pete Carrols guys.

    He went to Seattle and built an all time great defense in a passing league!  Belichick has a different idea when it comes to Safeties and CB's,  thats why we have midgets out there year after year.

    The team is cheap when it comes to paying legitimate free agents.  They  had a chance to get Donte Whitner but offered him a 1 year deal.  They could have gotten Anquan Boldin after 2009 but offered him a contract that was for way below what the Ravens gave him. 

    They had a chance to draft Dunlap over Cunningham, especially when Urban Meyer warned BB about Cunningham. They could have gotten Mike Wallace over Brandon Tate. Every analyst had Wallace over Tate.  I am not saying they cannot have busts.  But what does it tell you when they have not drafted a pro-bowl WR, SS, FS, CB in the past 10 years? 

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    We drafted a good CB in Dennard. NO question. We drafted a good safety in McCOurty no quesiton. Logan Ryan looks decent at CB. We will see. We might ahve drafted a good WR in Dobson. ANd gotten another good one in Thompkins, we will see.

    So you are not right in all that you say.

     

     
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    Exactly. This kid is probably some teeniebopper or never went to college.

    It's embarrassing. All he and his ilk will do is lube up another Brady doll and blame BB.

    Meanwhile, BB/Caserio run away with the Exec of the Year award and BB is a top 3 candidate for COTY. Incredible job.

    But, people are on here whining about the brilliance of the teambuild because Welkie dropped a cheapshot on Talib and Brady was mediocre again?

    It can't JUST be BB the GM as to why Brady can't string together two good playoff games since 2004.

    Denver's D sucks and Brady made it look like the '85 Bears.

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    This "kid" is not an english native speaker but been a pats fan long enough to know that things arent working on the defense for years starting in the 2006 AFCCG 

    you cant sugar coat it 

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    Maybe you should learn better English and get to a college so you can comprehend things better?

    What is Brady's excuse in 2007? What is his excuse in the 4th qtr of SB 46?

    Did BB the GM put a curse on Brady to play poorly or in mediocre fashion then? Who wins SBs with mediocre or subpar QB play?

    Manning played well yesterday, they ran the ball the help him, but we see Brady not want to show that kind of patience.

    Sadly, Manning is playing more like Brady USED to play like 10 years ago, and it was nothing to do with his talent around him either.

    Decker did nothing yesterday.  Welker was held in check and did little. If Talib isn't taken out, that game probably goes a bit different for the Pats D in the second half, but I have no idea how our offense would have gone with Brady not wanting a run game in the first half.

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    Brady doesn't need any excuses.  He had the lead in low scoring, because of low possession games, until the last minute.  Well, not this year because of the CRAP, he had to throw to.  How's this for a running game?  Blount 5/6, Brady 2/7.  LOLOLOLOL

    Manning played well yesterday?  Ya, I'd say 20 consecutive completions and scoring on all but one possession, is playing well, but not so hard against a JV defense.

      Ever notice how even rookie and back up QB's have great games against the Pats D.  It's no coincidence.  They SUCK and have for years!

     
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    WHat a bunch of WHINERS. Yes we need to complete the rebuild but we have a good team to start with:

    1. OL - good LT, RT, 3rd T and LG (need C and RG)

    2. TE - good starter (need depth, especially with starter hurt 3 years in a row and the use of 2 TEs at same time is often a good thing)

    3. WR - good starter, decent starter (though playing hurt), two good rookies and one potentially good rookie (onlyu weakness is whether any of the three rookies develop into solid starters next year)

    4. RBs - 3 good RBs and 1 solid back up (zero weakness)

    5. QB - good QB (just not good throwing deep)

    OVerall the O is deep with talent. DO need to improve C, RG and altrernative at TE. If none of the 3 rookie WRs can develop into solid starter next year need to get one more solid WR

    On D...

    1. DE - two good DEs (could use upgrade at one DE if we want to have a DOMINANT DL.. and Nink should remain a key player for all the roles he can play, including 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB)

    2. DT/NT - two good players (both injured and not young... need youth and need to insure DT/NT is strong next year)

    3. LBs - 4 good ones (I include Mayo, Hightower, Collins and Nink... assume Spikes is gone) --- no wekaness)

    4. CBs - 2 good ones and one solid rookie (depth at outside could be better but pass rush makes everyone better)

    5. S - one good one , one decent (could upgrade SS and depth... pass rush would make a difference too)

    ST - good K, good P, good cover guys...

    Overall this is a very good team with depth. What they lack is enough talent UP FRONT on D and O lines to make the units as a whole dominant. Imagine this O but with dominant run blocking! Imagine Brady with both more time and able to rely on the run against any opponent. Add an alternative at TE and this is a special O.

    On D having a dominant D line would make the LBs look all world and would make the already ball hawking secondary look special too.

     

    BOTTOM LINE - MAKE THE O LINE AND D LINE DOMINANT AND BOTH O AND D ARE DOMINANT. Requires C, RG, alternative TE, DT, DE. That is 5 players.  Just a C and a stud DT or DE (two players) would make a world of difference. If the coaches like Vinny and Kelly and Armstead then look for a DE who can do it all (I like the 3-4 option).

     
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    There is only one issue that needs fixing. I've been exposing it for over half a decade.

     

    Get a f'n GM that doesn't saddle Brady with bad FAs, busted draft picks and street scrubs and expect him to go win a SB with that.

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    Any other team would love to be 'saddled' with a GM that puts them in championship games year after year after year.

    Look at the past ten years of ANY OTHER TEAM and you'll find a lot more problems than the Pats have. Prove me wrong or quiet down. Thanks.

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    Last time. Don't waste your breath replying to me. You're an idiot and on ignore.

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    Simple solution...you don't like to be responded to then don't post. 

     
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    Re: Same Old Story ,What can we do to break the habbit !!

    In response to gr82bme's comment:
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    While I am stinging from the loss also, some of these threads are bordering on rediculous.  Jeez people, we've been in the championship game, what 8 times - 5 SBs - 3 wins.  Okay, so it's been awhile since we won a SB - I get that.  But - we're in the hunt nearly every single year!  What other team can say that?  Denver hasn't one a SB since the 90's.  Seattle's never won a SB.  Their fans are euphoric and should be.  If both of these teams "only" make the playoffs next year, will their fans be heading toward the bridges for a jump?

    I know I'll be called an apologist - but what we've had since Kraft, BB, and TB strolled onto our Pats has been a decade-long slice of our team's history that will never be equalled.  And, in this day and age, won't be duplicated by anybody else's team.  Am I chaffed because we lost to PM and the Broncs?  Yes, but I'm not willing to scrap the whole thing because on one day in January we got beat by a better team.  We'll be contending for the playoffs again next year - as a "fan" that's all I can ask.

    GO PATS!

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    Logical, reasonable, and spot on.  A nice breath of fresh air.  I couldn't agree with you more!

     
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    Re: Same Old Story ,What can we do to break the habbit !!

    Dont miss the obvious, BB, Brady etc all get paid win or lose, the hunger is not there.  Kraft fills the seats win or lose-why pay more for players, you gotta follow the money, its a simple equation.

     
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    Re: Same Old Story ,What can we do to break the habbit !!

    In response to unclejack02130's comment:
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    Dont miss the obvious, BB, Brady etc all get paid win or lose, the hunger is not there.  Kraft fills the seats win or lose-why pay more for players, you gotta follow the money, its a simple equation.

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    Yeah, as long as the zombies say "in BB we trust", Bob keeps rakin in the mulah.

     

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