Re: should Bill trade that #1 pick for a pass rusher?
posted at 7/30/2010 3:54 AM EDT
In Response to Re: should Bill trade that #1 pick for a pass rusher?
You go from pass rusher to DE pass rusher , which is it? Theres a bunch of OLB rushers that would work for us , but only a couple DE's that can/could play the 5 technique and rush the passer. Id give it up for Williams in a second , but Houston would want more than just a first round pick.
Posted by ONE-TIME
I am PRECISELY
in your camp here one-time
Before even readin your post, The ONLY guy I'd really even consider trading Oak-NE's #1 Early Selection for, at least in terms of 3-4 DE, Would be Mario Williams
...I personally believe that Williams really could be/do even close to what Richard Seymour did for NE on the D-Line; Mainly that is, BE a DE who could BOTH occupy 2 blockers, AND be a decent, or even "marginal" -pass-rushing threat. 6'6 and @ 295lbs and the guys only like 25 or 26=Yea, I'd offer Oak's 1st rd selection, period. Couple BIG problems though
You ideally want to trade with a franchise that views itself building or REbuilding for the future: RE: Houston though...No way. They ARE and assuredly view themselves on the upswing.#2
Mario Williams is signed through 2011, and won't be a free agent until 2012 (the Season AFTER this season AND next season)...And that ain't good. Teams are far more willing to trade a guy, whose due to become a FA the following year (2011). ~Clearly because they might lose him anyway.
NOW, The ONLY other players which I would even consider trading for ARE Outside Linebackers, NOT Defensive Ends...whih in itself (as ya mentioned), Is a problem... IMHO, and it seems yours too one-time, 3-4 DEs are harder to come by, Than 3-4 OLBs. And man, This ISN'T top say a good 3-4 OLB is EASY to find...no way. As we've seen, NFL Clubs almost always have to get and ultimately "perfectly scout" a Collegiate DE (to get the 3-4 OLB bigger size), And THEN just pray that he's fast enough and good enough to transition to a 3-4 OLB playing off the line, suddenly with his hand off the ground and thus doing a completely different positional job (including pass-coverage). So there IS that HUGE "bust-factor" there (Vernon Gholston).
The difference however, Translates to the NFL Draft- Excellent 3-4 DEs go in the top 10-15 selections, but with 3-4 teams NOT wantin too spend a 1st rder on a potential 3-4 OLB bust, Collegiate DEs who might transfer to NFL OLBs, HAVE been slipping down the Big Board. So the greater point, Why on earth, use an early 1st rder for an NFL 3-4 OLB, WHEN even the best "potential" Collegiate DEs to 3-4 OLBs slip to the very end of Rd 1, and well into Rd 2... One could ONLY argue that an NFL OLB hs ALREADY made the transition and ALREADY proven to be a successful 3-4 OLB, BUT sorry-THIS gets trumped by the fact that IF you did give up that early 1st rder, NE very well could be passing on their ONLY true chance of getting a top ranked 3-4 DE, which they might never see that DE opportunity again for YEARS...
So Finally, WOULD I trade Oak's 1st rder for an NFL 3-4 OLB...Yup, BUT I'd want that team's OWN 2nd rder in return (which begs the point that, You'd have to get a VERY willing, perhaps somewhat d#mb, NFL Club, who would make such a trade)...2 3-4 OLB Guys I'd do it for
: San Francisco's Manny Lawson OR Pittsburgh's LaMarr Woodley
. They got the size, production, youth, And in EVERY way-These guys are stout against the run, Are pass-rushing threats, AND they're good in coverage as well. Good thing is that BOTH guys ARE gonna be Free Agents at the end of this very year... Bad Thing is that SF views themselves on the major upswing as a team, annnd Pittsburgh, well Pittsburgh isn''t st#pid enough to make sucha trade...