posted at 12/31/2013 1:05 PM EST
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I disagree. 1st off you say how many of those guys become pro bowlers? It doesn't matter as we regularly field 4 to 6 pro bowlers a year. How many do we need? I completely disagree with the notion that signing 1 or 2 big money guys would have been the difference in the super bowl. I could easily make the opposite case and say if we had done that we would be just like the Giants, steelers, ravens, and others who's seasons are over right now, and in years past.
BB built super bowl teams, some key injuries and plain bad luck like the Tyree catch are the reasons you and I are even having this discussion.
If we could have a team of 53 probowlers I'd take that. I'm pretty sure anyone who works in the NFL would love a team of all probowlers. well, i guess we are living in the real world, and while you complain about how many undrafted players become pro bowlers, we keep producing 4-6 pro bowlers a year, which with perspective(compared to the rest of the league)we know is a phenomenal job by our GM.
I'm sure if you ask BB how many probowlers he'd like on his team his response wouldn't be 4-6 is good enough we don't need more. Lets keep things in perspective that the more probowlers you have the more liekly you are to win a SB. BTW those probowlers you don't really care for with exception of Brady where do they usually come from? Mayo - 1st, Gronk 2nd, Wilfork 1st, Ghost high pick for a kicker, McCourty - 1st seems to be a correlation of spending a little more or taking higher draft picks and them turning into top level performers huh? And don't the more higher level performers you have mean the better chance you have to win?
The difference in the SB's was a couple of plays. A couple more talented players over some of the JAGs they had on the field could have meant those play and or might have meant one of those talented players ended up being just ok like juluis peppers the last 2 years, and we would have paid premium money for production we could have got from 2nd year players like Jones and coachable over acheivers like Nink. The building model cannot be down played, it is proven.
This is true not every FA works out. However, it's proven that since 04' we haven't won a SB. Now I love Nink but he's giving his all right now and can't pump it up any higher than he currently is. It's proven in the playoffs you need to take it to the next level in order to compete. Every player and coach will tell you that, so if you are already playing at your max it's hard to give that much more. Dillon could, Brady does, Rodney did, Seymour did but players like Arrington, Nink, Earthwind can't and typically don't.
so yes they could have made a difference. If you need proof look at the 06' season in which we were a couple plays away what did BB do that offseason, went out and spent on Thomas and Moss and traded a high pick for Welker. BB traded a 2nd round and 4rth round pick for those players. You guys have condemned that draft even though it produced 2 of the best players we ever had. 2006 was also the worst collection of offensive talent we ever had. Are you trying to say we havent had offensive talent every year since then?
That's my point he identified players with high end talent and went out and spent to get them! That's what I've been saying. He saw 06' value O wasn't enough and spent resources to fix the problem. That's what I've been talking about. Did it go over your head?
Obviously he saw that they needed to add more talent because they guys they had weren't enough to make those couple of extra plays. I'm not saying spend all your money on 1 or 2 big names what I am saying though is sometimes you have to spend a little extra to get a starting caliber player closer to their prime without as many issues instead of some of the retreads they constantly bring in like Ocho, or A. Wilson, or Gallery. How much money and resources were spent on guys like that when for a couple extra mil they could have had a Goldson (who they had worked out and offer a contract to) or a Sanders (who they liked and offered a contract to)
BTW - I don't think BB agrees with you seeing as he still takes picks in the 1st-3rd rounds and even traded up for Chandler Jones. If he didn't think higher end talent could make a difference then why move up to get them to begin with? Why not just trade down and get 20 day 3 picks instead of taking day 1 and 2 picks instead?
wait, so your argument is that because BB drafts players in the 1st -3rd rounds he doesn't actually believe in his own value system? Of course higher end talent makes a difference, at the right price and for the right player. We knew with the rookie wage scale in effect he would start taking players higher. The system works. We have the best record in football for a 13 year period, Brady is having one of his worst seasons and here we are 12-4 with the most injury riddled team in the league.
My argument is your logic is off since BB himself has at times switched gears and dropped the value concept when there was a critical hole that needed to be filled. He didn't get value for Dillon for a 2nd, didn't get it for Welker at the time at another 2nd, didn't get it for Thomas as it was one of the bigger contracts he'd ever given out, and he moved up to get Jones which isn't value either. So at times he has spent. Spending a little more doesn't mean you go out like a mad man and spend wild but it also doesn't mean you should take 20 players to find 1 either and that's what you are arguing.
Belichick builds for depth, he goes for coachable high effort team 1st guys. That is who he thinks gives his team the best chance to win. That is the type of players that the coach likes to coach! You think he's wrong?
At times I think he himself thinks it's wrong. Do you think he's happy with the way the D has played? Do you think he maybe second thought about not getting a DT in a DT heavy draft given they are ranked 31st against the run? Or drafting T. Wilson well before anyone thought he should go? He himself has second guessed his only style, like resigning players before their rook contracts were up (after the fights with Wilfork and Mankins), or going out and getting Brady receivers after that 06' season, or moving up to get Jones after passing on chances at edge rushers in the draft for years. If it's alright for BB to question himself and change styles why can't we? Obviously he doesn't think he's right all the time as he's admitted he's been wrong before unless you believe everything he does is perfect.