Re: Six Personnel Errors That Haunt the Patriots
posted at 10/28/2011 4:05 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Six Personnel Errors That Haunt the Patriots
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Six Personnel Errors That Haunt the Patriots : You said yourself that Samuel was a top five guy earlier in this thread, so wouldn't that make you mistaken as well? Furthermore, give TP some credit dude. Bashing a guy on the way out the door, and talking about hindisght is NOT what happened here. In this thread he was questioning Bodden earlier. That is not hindsight ... it's called seeing things for how they are. Then having something in line with your insights come true. That is how football analysis works. Samuel was never top five IMO. But top ten really ... and the bottom half for sure of the bottom five. He has holes in his game. However, just as I said after he went elsewhere, his salary would be a 'going rate' in a few years because of the price-premium on good corners and the proliferation of spread offenses and consquential proliferation of nickel-dime defenses. And $60 million may be the 'total' value, but the guaranteed value is much, much less. $20 million guaranteed with the last two season's salaries eating up $18million. Add another 4.5 million in incentives tied to those two seasons, and you end up with a contract that was more like 4 years at $8.45 million. The "Franchise Tag" value on a corner in 2007, his contract season, was $7.79 million. In 2011 it is a whopping $14 million. If he was a top-five corner coming into 2011 as you said, he was woefully underpaid, considering they top five average a 70% increase over his average salary in that period. He may have shot his mouth off in Philly, but the guy has delivered on the field there, and the team's ownership should be questioned (though not in the media by players). He was wrong to say something, but right in his assessment that the team did treat the offseason like a 'fantasy football' draft. They didn't need Asomugha, and needed offensive lineman. They could have had two quality OL players, and Asomugha looks like a wierdly placed luxury at this point. Meanwhile he lead the NFL in interceptions 2009 and 2010. He has made the pro-bowl in 2008-9 & 10. An at a salary that is close to half what top five corners are making now. Bodden, on the other hand, has made $12 million in the new contract, $4.3 in year one salary, $6 in guaranteed bonuses, and just under half of his $3.9 million for this season. He started zero games. He made zero interceptions. And he is now out the door. I will admit I thought they should have resigned him. But the worst case scenario occured. His resigning (in admitted hindsight ) was a big mistake. I won't say whether he or Bodden 'haunt' NE, because it's a long discussion that involves basically restructuring all the roster moves in that time around signing him, which would radically change the picture. But it's evident that Samuel is A.) a better player than anyone currently playing corner for NE, and B.) a bargain compared to Bodden's 4 year deal. So, 1:1, it's not even conversation. Since Bodden was re-upped Philly's paid Samuel (pro-rated so far this season as well) in that 1.5 seasons about the same at a rough $12 million. I think it's too hard to reconstruct what the rest of the roster would look like, but from a performance vs financials standpoint ... the Samuel deal looks sparkling compared to the Bodden deal. And that is really a shame.
Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]
If a team wants to seriously contend every year for a championship, it's imperative that the team avoid personnel mistakes...which can damage or destroy SB dreams.
From what we've seen of the 2011 Patriots, questions linger about the ability of their defense to pressure the opposing passer, pass coverage, and at WR. Here are five(5) mistakes which have haunted the Patriots over the past several years: 1.) Decision Not to Sign Asante Samuel:
To replace Samuel, the Patriots eventually spent free agent dollars on CBs Deltha O'Neal,and Leigh Bodden. They also spent two second round draft choices on Terrence Wheatley and Darius Butler. The failure of these players led to the Patriots using their #1 draft choice in 2010 on CB Devin McCourty.
In McCourty, BB appears to have finally found Samuel's replacement. But, the cost to replace Samuel was free agent dollars...which could have been allocated to sign Samuel, two second round draft choices, and one first rounder.
2.) Clay Matthews:
The inability to rush the opposing passer has been a problem ever since Willie McGinest and Mike Vrabel aged. The Pats have done little in the draft to solve this problem...spending a 3rd round draft choice in 2008 on the worthless Shaun Crable, and a second rounder on DE/OLB Jermaine Cunningham.
In the 2009 draft, BB passed on the opportunity to select OLB Clay Mathews with his 26th overall pick, opting instead to trade down with the Green Bay Packers, for the rather steep price of the 41st pick overall, and two third rounders. These picks netted them CB Darius Butler, WR Brandon Tate, and, eventually, promising TE, Rob Gronkowski. With each passing day, Butler and Tate look like busts. Gronk has the potential to become a pro-bowl caliber TE.
As a result of this draft trade, the Pats have spent millions in free agency to bring in several veterans, who they hope can generate a pass rush. Meanwhile, the Packers won the SB last year, as Matthews earned pro-bowl honors. But, to be fair, it must be pointed out that Matthews has benefited from playing with one of the better secondaries in the game, the past two years; 3.) Passing on WR Mike Wallace:
One of the things that led to that embarrassing playoff loss to the Jets was that the Patriots lacked a deep threat at WR. The Pats could have solved this problem in the third round of the 2009 draft, if only they had selected Mike Wallace over WR Brandon Tate. Tate was chosen with the 83rd overall selection...and Pittsburgh took Wallace at #84. Though the jury is still out on Tate, it's becoming increasingly clear that he's the second coming of Bethel Johnson...while Wallace has evolved into one of the most feared deep threats in the game. 4.) Chad Jackson:
Prior to the Tate mistake discussed above, there was the trade up in the 2006 draft, to acquire WR Chad Jackson. The Pats parted with the 52nd and 75th picks that season to move up to #36, and land this monumental bust.
Curiously enough, the Jackson deal was also made with the Packers, who used the 52nd overall selection to take WR Greg Jennings...who has averaged 80 receptions for around 1200 yards (16 yards per catch), over the past three seasons. This, along with the failure to draft Wallace, has left the Patriots with a weakness at WR, heading into this season. 5.) Laurence Maroney:
Though Maroney had his moments with the Pats, he never evolved into the stud RB that the Pats hoped they acquired with the 21st overall pick in the 2006 draft. His short-comings led to the acquisition of failed free agent Fred Taylor, and the Pats spending second and third round choices on RBs last April. 6.) Brandon Meriweather:
Former first round pick from the 2007 draft was released by the Pats after four inconsistent years of play with the team. Like Maroney above, he wasn't a total disaster...but he never developed into the Ed Reed type of FS that the Patriots hoped he would become. The fact that the Patriots could not find a taker for him in a trade, yet still chose to release him...speaks volumes. Z, this is the original topic, and this is what Pat and I went back and forth on. Read his post and tell me that his crystal clear hindsight has nothing to do with the conversation.
He is saying BB(who makes personnel decisions for the Patriots) is haunted by the decision to not sign Samuel(which would have made him the highest paid CB in the league at the time) If you agree then I say you are wrong as well.
The rest of the haunting personnel decisions Belichick made are all draft picks, (in Texas Pats eyes) so yes I think he is being completely over the top.
Are you trying to say that Asante was not made the highest paid cb in the league? Are you trying to say BB should have signed Asante to whatever his demands were? I don't understand your view point here.