Specific details in the Roethlisberger sexual assualt case

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    "The allegations against me are reckless and false," Roethlisberger said. "As much as I'd like to answer everyone's questions I'm going to respect the legal process and I'm confident that the truth will prevail." - Big Ben


    If he didnt do it he shouldnt have any problem answering questions from the media...unless that is he is afraid he might get stumped on a question and make himself look bad? All I am saying is if a women falsely accuses me of r ape I am going to say anything I want to defend myself not hide behind my lawyers and read a two minute statement with out answering questions. why is he afraid to answer questions if he is innocent? Just saying.
     
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    Out of curiosity, if this allegation was against Tom Brady and not the Steeler's QB, how many people would be so quick to believe the accuser?  As I've said on one of the other threads, as long as the accuser is preventing a criminal investigation by not filing a complaint with law enforcement, her credibility should be questioned.  As soon as she shows any interest in justice beyond collecting a paycheck, I'll amend my somewhat skeptical opinion of her claims.  She might be telling the truth, but her actions warrant at least some skepticism.

    I don't see how it should even be allowed to base a civil lawsuit around a crime that hasn't even been reported as a crime to the authorities.  The reasons for not reporting the rape to law enforcement now are non-existent.  Her identity is out.  She will face no less scrutiny as she pursues her civil suit than she would in a criminal action.  Her reasons are purely monetary.  There is certainly a greater chance BR will settle this out of court prior to her filing a criminal complaint.  If she files a criminal complaint she loses some of the leverage she now has.  I know some will think I'm anti-victim, but I'm not.  I'm very pro-victim, but at this stage we don't know if the victim is BR or the accuser.  Like I said, as soon as she shows any interest in pursuing justice beyond money, my skeptic factor will lower considerably.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Specific details in the Roethlisberger sexual assualt case : I don't see any connection with your Eli Manning example and BR situation or agree with you saying that my thoughts are hurting your head! IF BR is found guilty of this accusation as well as the hotel is found guilty of obstruction of justice by doing what they could have done to postphone an investigation or from having this accusation come out to the public until now, THEN the reality is that this accusation WOULD HAVE been filed before or during last years season, which in turn would have had a huge effect on the Steelers season, especially with BR NOT playing for the Steelers during their Superbowl run. THAT is what I'm asking thoughts about...BR & the Hotel being found guilty of this and would it bring up questions about their SB winning season?
    Posted by mrtm70[/QUOTE]

    Here is the thing: That isn't how it works. 

     
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    [QUOTE]Out of curiosity, if this allegation was against Tom Brady and not the Steeler's QB, how many people would be so quick to believe the accuser?  As I've said on one of the other threads, as long as the accuser is preventing a criminal investigation by not filing a complaint with law enforcement, her credibility should be questioned.  As soon as she shows any interest in justice beyond collecting a paycheck, I'll amend my somewhat skeptical opinion of her claims.  She might be telling the truth, but her actions warrant at least some skepticism. I don't see how it should even be allowed to base a civil lawsuit around a crime that hasn't even been reported as a crime to the authorities.  The reasons for not reporting the rape to law enforcement now are non-existent.  Her identity is out.  She will face no less scrutiny as she pursues her civil suit than she would in a criminal action.  Her reasons are purely monetary.  There is certainly a greater chance BR will settle this out of court prior to her filing a criminal complaint.  If she files a criminal complaint she loses some of the leverage she now has.  I know some will think I'm anti-victim, but I'm not.  I'm very pro-victim, but at this stage we don't know if the victim is BR or the accuser.  Like I said, as soon as she shows any interest in pursuing justice beyond money, my skeptic factor will lower considerably.
    Posted by carawaydj[/QUOTE]


    I have to say, I'm thinking pretty much the same way you are. I know if it were myself I would want to not only be compensated, but also see the slimeball go to jail for a long time. Same way if it were my sister or girlfriend, I would try very hard to persuade her to file a criminal charge. If it did indeed go down like she's claiming, Ben is a major scumbag, and deserves to be "sacked" by some guys who won't have to worry about the zebras!!! But (as you've stated), her main concern seems to be cash. I cannot speak for anyone else, but were I to be on that jury I would have to see considerably more hard evidence without a criminal filing than what usually constitutes a "preponderance". I also thought OJ got a raw deal in civil court. Putting aside my own beliefs of his guilt or innocence, I found it alarming that someone could basically lose everything in a civil case based on a crime that they were found innocent of! It's almost like double jeopardy, only the stakes were lower in civil court (had he lost the criminal trial I don't doubt he'd have got the gas chamber). If she truly was so offended by Ben's actions, why doesn't she want to see him face incarceration? Like you said, she is going to face the same publicity and the same investigations into her past are going to be made public. That, and her claim of a basically "civil" conversation immediately after the "rape" raise my doubts about her story. I'm not going to judge, as I'm sure we haven't heard anywhere near all the facts in the case. But her refusal to involve the criminal justice system still seems fishy to me.
     
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    carawayDJ the part that you are missing is that the casino covered it up, she would not have enough evidence for a criminal trial because they covered it up but in a cival suit she does not need as much evidence. the more i read about teh casino and how they handled it the more I think she is telling the truth. At this point after they covered it up she probally can not win a criminal case so instead of trying to get him locked up and failing she is trying to at least hurt him in some way by going after his money and telling teh world that he is a r apeist. I totally get this IF she can prove there was a cover up you really dont have any reason to doubt her. If she cant prove there was a cover up then you are right and she is suspect. But right now it seems pretty clear to me at least that the casino tried to cover this up in which case evidence would have been lost for good that would make it hard to lock Big Ben up so she is going a different route. She is getting back at him and the casino the best way she can because at this point she wouldnt stand a chance in a criminal trial because they tainted the evidence back when this all went down.


    Also incase no one has noticed, no one from thsi casino has denied her claims, which says to me that she can prove she reported this to the casino and if she did in fact report it the question of why didnt she report this sooner should also be pointed at them as well as "why didnt the casino report it?" If she reported a r ape to the casino why didnt they call the police and make sure the evidence was not messed with? If she cant prove she reported it then she has no case but if she can all the doubters who keep saying why did it take so long to report it will need to redirect that question at the casino.
     
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    Who says she's not going to press charges?  Prosecutors don't bring an indictment unless they believe they have a reasonably good case, all the way up to the statute of limitations.  They will wait.  Why does she have to do anything different?  I still contend that a civil conviction will spur a criminal filing.  It's the reverse of the OJ method.  Once public opinion was turned against him, the rest was easy.  The Goldmans didn't even have a relationship with Ron (for 5 years prior to his demise) and they stepped right in for the cash.  Crimes are committed everyday and their are minimal civil suits because you "can't get blood from a turnip"...
     
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    [QUOTE]Out of curiosity, if this allegation was against Tom Brady and not the Steeler's QB, how many people would be so quick to believe the accuser?  As I've said on one of the other threads, as long as the accuser is preventing a criminal investigation by not filing a complaint with law enforcement, her credibility should be questioned.  As soon as she shows any interest in justice beyond collecting a paycheck, I'll amend my somewhat skeptical opinion of her claims.  She might be telling the truth, but her actions warrant at least some skepticism. I don't see how it should even be allowed to base a civil lawsuit around a crime that hasn't even been reported as a crime to the authorities.  The reasons for not reporting the rape to law enforcement now are non-existent.  Her identity is out.  She will face no less scrutiny as she pursues her civil suit than she would in a criminal action.  Her reasons are purely monetary.  There is certainly a greater chance BR will settle this out of court prior to her filing a criminal complaint.  If she files a criminal complaint she loses some of the leverage she now has.  I know some will think I'm anti-victim, but I'm not.  I'm very pro-victim, but at this stage we don't know if the victim is BR or the accuser.  Like I said, as soon as she shows any interest in pursuing justice beyond money, my skeptic factor will lower considerably.
    Posted by carawaydj[/QUOTE]

    The one has absolutely nothing to do with the other in regard to credibility. The burden of proof for a civil suit is much less than that of a criminal proceeding. There well may be not enough evidence to persevere in a criminal complaint. In that case it would be ill advised for her to endure the stress of going through with that if it is likely to fail. MOST rapes are not reported. Scrutinizing her credibility because she didn't report it immediatly is ignoring the fact that women are traumatized by such an act being perpetrated against them. Saying her not reporting it right away shows she is likely lying is not compelling. It's just not that simple.

    If it were Brady the take on it might be somewhat different. There is a lot of opinion out there that I have seen long before this that BR does not treat women well. The same can not be said of Brady.


     
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    you cant get blood from a turnip? I dont even know what that means lol
     
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    MVPkilla:  "She" would not have to prove anything in a criminal suit.  All she has to do is file a complaint and then the criminal justice system, not the accuser, will prosecute the case.  The burden of proof will be carried by the authorities.  What a criminal investigation will do that is beneficial is put everyone under oath in a criminal investigation.  While technically civil perjury is just as illegal as perjury in a criminal proceeding, civil perjury is rarely prosecuted.  Yes, it sometimes is.  But the key word here is "rarely".  In my opinion, there is a greater likelihood of witnesses being truthful in a criminal trial than in a civil trial precisely because of that.  I say IMO because it's just that.  

    Anyway, my point is that the cat is out of the bag now.  She has no viable reason to not file a criminal complaint except that it may impede any desire for a quick settlement.  Her attorney is acting very smart.  I will give her great marks for selecting her attorney.  By not filing a criminal complaint BR can settle and put a complete end to everything now.  The timing of the complaint is also pure genius from the accuser's perspective; days before the start of training camp.  There will certainly be pressure on BR to settle quickly so that this does not become a distraction to the team.  

    We are only hearing her version of events at the moment.  There are already rumors she was seeing a therapist for reasons unrelated to BR.  Let's see how all of the facts vs. rumors play out before we convict anyone.  I'm not skeptical of her claims because she waited so long to come forward.  I'm only skeptical because she has demonstrated no desire to seek justice, only money.  Even Kobe's and Tyson's accusers filed their complaints with the law authorities first.  Those two were also a couple of people with a lot of wealth and fame.
     
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    [QUOTE]Who says she's not going to press charges?  Prosecutors don't bring an indictment unless they believe they have a reasonably good case, all the way up to the statute of limitations.  They will wait.  Why does she have to do anything different?  I still contend that a civil conviction will spur a criminal filing.  It's the reverse of the OJ method.  Once public opinion was turned against him, the rest was easy.  The Goldmans didn't even have a relationship with Ron (for 5 years prior to his demise) and they stepped right in for the cash.  Crimes are committed everyday and their are minimal civil suits because you "can't get blood from a turnip"...
    Posted by theplaintruth[/QUOTE]

    In this case, for this particular crime, prosecutors have their hands tied until the woman files a criminal complaint.  Regardless of the civil suit outcome, no charges can be made, and they can't prosecute anything until she does that.  The following is from the AP (and reprinted everywhere):

    Law enforcement officials in Nevada said Wednesday they do not plan to open a criminal investigation into the alleged incident, which the accuser says happened in July 2008 when Roethlisberger was in Lake Tahoe participating in a celebrity golf tournament.

    Douglas County Sheriff's Deputy Teresa Duffy said the accuser would have to file a criminal complaint to trigger an investigation.

    "The victim is the only one who can do that," Duffy told The Associated Press. "Unless there was a third party that actually witnessed the incident which, according to the civil case, was not the case here."


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Specific details in the Roethlisberger sexual assualt case : In this case, for this particular crime, prosecutors have their hands tied until the woman files a criminal complaint.  Regardless of the civil suit outcome, no charges can be made, and they can't prosecute anything until she does that.  The following is from the AP (and reprinted everywhere): Law enforcement officials in Nevada said Wednesday they do not plan to open a criminal investigation into the alleged incident, which the accuser says happened in July 2008 when Roethlisberger was in Lake Tahoe participating in a celebrity golf tournament. Douglas County Sheriff's Deputy Teresa Duffy said the accuser would have to file a criminal complaint to trigger an investigation. "The victim is the only one who can do that," Duffy told The Associated Press. "Unless there was a third party that actually witnessed the incident which, according to the civil case, was not the case here."
    Posted by carawaydj[/QUOTE]

    TRUE.  I believe this will be done AFTER the civil trial.  There is no law in the land which states which has to come first.  That's only what people think, but it's not the law.
     
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    [QUOTE]you cant get blood from a turnip? I dont even know what that means lol
    Posted by MVPkilla[/QUOTE]

    no money pit, no reason to file suit...
     
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    ahhhhh I see

    If ben pays this lady off he is a r apist no doubt about it. The way I see it if you are innocent you take it to trial and show the world you are no r apist and if you do not have the guts to take it to court its cause he did it and he is scared. You dont pay the dime if you didnt do the crime.
     
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    [QUOTE]ahhhhh I see If ben pays this lady off he is a r apist no doubt about it. The way I see it if you are innocent you take it to trial and show the world you are no r apist and if you do not have the guts to take it to court its cause he did it and he is scared. You dont pay the dime if you didnt do the crime.
    Posted by MVPkilla[/QUOTE]

    I would defend my NAME until my last breath brotha!!!
     
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    That is what I am saying. One of the best teachers I ever had told me once that the only thing you take to the grave with you is your name so dont dont ruin it. Those words still stick with me and I would fight till i couldnt fight anymore if someone accused me of something like this. I wouldnt care how much money I might lose or how much it costs to make this girl look foolish i would spend all my money to keep my good name intact. And anyone who would do anything less then that is doing so for a reason....like because he r aped that girl and doesnt want the world to know it.


    This teacher also told me its not what you do when people are watching thats makes you a good person its what you do when no one is watching that makes you a good person. He was a very good teacher and an even better man. Guy grew up in South Boston and worked on teh docks to put himself through school and was a bouncer at bars at night. He got stabed in teh eye and so he had a glass eye. There was always this rumor that he one time took out his eye and put it on his desk and told his students "I got an eye on you" LoL such a good teacher. He always loved the thearter so once he got old and had been teaching for a while he saved up all his money and traveled through Europe going to see shows and work on sets and just be around it. He did a scene from McBeth and it was great. The guy struck fear into his students once he heard me swearing in the hallways and he pick me up by my arms and said "does your sister know you talk that way" you can bet I never ran my mouth around him again. This is the kind of man who spit inthe devils eye if it meant clearing his good name. I would do anything less myself. Someone says I r aped them they better be ready to prove it because i am clearing my good name. You dont pay the dime if you didnt do the crime.
     
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    [QUOTE]That is what I am saying. One of the best teachers I ever had told me once that the only thing you take to the grave with you is your name so dont dont ruin it. Those words still stick with me and I would fight till i couldnt fight anymore if someone accused me of something like this. I wouldnt care how much money I might lose or how much it costs to make this girl look foolish i would spend all my money to keep my good name intact. And anyone who would do anything less then that is doing so for a reason....like because he r aped that girl and doesnt want the world to know it. This teacher also told me its not what you do when people are watching thats makes you a good person its what you do when no one is watching that makes you a good person. He was a very good teacher and an even better man. Guy grew up in South Boston and worked on teh docks to put himself through school and was a bouncer at bars at night. He got stabed in teh eye and so he had a glass eye. There was always this rumor that he one time took out his eye and put it on his desk and told his students "I got an eye on you" LoL such a good teacher. He always loved the thearter so once he got old and had been teaching for a while he saved up all his money and traveled through Europe going to see shows and work on sets and just be around it. He did a scene from McBeth and it was great. The guy struck fear into his students once he heard me swearing in the hallways and he pick me up by my arms and said "does your sister know you talk that way" you can bet I never ran my mouth around him again. This is the kind of man who spit inthe devils eye if it meant clearing his good name. I would do anything less myself. Someone says I r aped them they better be ready to prove it because i am clearing my good name. You dont pay the dime if you didnt do the crime.
    Posted by MVPkilla[/QUOTE]

    Killa,
    Did you know that this is one of the USAF's Core Values:  INTEGRITY FIRST, SERVICE BEFORE SELF, AND EXCELLENCE IN ALL WE DO....

    It was drummed into our heads exactly the same way your teacher presented it to you.  "It's not what you do when the eyes of the world are upon you, but what you do when you THINK no one is looking".

    Seems to me that despite a few rough edges, your people did a decent job instilling some of those core values in you.  Tip of the HAT to ya!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]ahhhhh I see If ben pays this lady off he is a r apist no doubt about it. The way I see it if you are innocent you take it to trial and show the world you are no r apist and if you do not have the guts to take it to court its cause he did it and he is scared. You dont pay the dime if you didnt do the crime.
    Posted by MVPkilla[/QUOTE]

    OK MVPkilla and theplaintruth, I can see where you are coming from.  I can certainly understand and respect anyone who believes they must fight to prove their innocence.  I believe there are circumstances where exceptions could be made without thinking someone is guilty.  Every year there are a lot of innocent people being freed by DNA evidence.  A lot of these people are not squeeky clean individuals, but instead people with prior convictions or other factors.  Perhaps they were just unlucky enough to have a lot of circumstances combine to make a strong circumstantial case.  BR has a rep for drunken behavior.  BR has pictures of him around woman and drunk in bars.  BR might not want to take his chance in front of a jury because of those factors.  If people are wrongly convicted under the criminal system where proof is required "beyond a reasonable doubt", how many more are wrongly convicted in civil suits where proof is simply "more likely than not" and perjurers are seldom prosecuted?  

    The accusers legal team has done a perfect job of aligning the stars for an out of court settlement.  No criminal complaint has been filed.  The lawsuit emerges days from the start of training camp.  I think you have every right to say you would never settle out of court in the same situation, but I don't see how you can say BR is definitely guilty if he settles.  Heck, can you imagine the pressure he is getting from Steeler Nation to put this behind him ASAP.  You can bet that he has numerous people "advising" him to put aside his pride and make a settlement.  I think I would fight it out in court, and then counter-sue if I won.  If I were innocent I would devote my life to making a false accuser's life miserable.  That's a serious crime if committed, and a serious crime if falsely accused.  That said, I'm not the QB of an NFL team days away from the new season.  I'm not the guy who will tank the franchise for a season if I cannot focus on football because I'm tied up in court.  I'm not the guy who will have to go through criminal proceedings if she does as I expect; file a criminal complaint only if he doesn't settle out of court.  I hope he fights it myself.
     
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    We don't have to agree, just be civil and have discussions.  I appreciate that.  I concur wholeheartedly about wrongful convictions etc... I'll go one further.  What about women who lie about paternity?  Same principle.  A guy can raise a child as his own and discover that he is not the father.  Even then he's got no recourse at all.  During my military career, a friend of mine suffered this indignation, so 12 of us formed a non-profit group that did the research (leg work) to assist men in this situation find avenues to correct the injustices they faced.  Whether it be funding, tracking down legal aid, or doing a little paralegal work on their behalf to lower their attorney's fees.  So I understand where you're coming from regarding "untoward women".  After my own ordeal, I swore that I'd do everything in my power to assist those within harms reach of the legal system, regardless of the side.  I largely debate the simple "principle of the matter"....

     
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    One of her claims (if you read the documents) was that she was basically forced to take a paid leave of absence this July because Ben was back in town for the 2009 Golf Tournament....

    Just off the top of my head, and because there's no Sox game tonight:

    - First of all, why would you continue to work for this hotel and for these "higher ups" when you have absolutely no confidence in their ability to look after your best interests as one of their employees? or their ability to provide a safe work environment (not to mention the poor work performance evaluation that is also mentioned in the suit that she feels is unjust). Is it really that difficult to find another hotel job in Nevada?

    -  And if you were so distressed/depressed that you had to go to 5...yes, 5 different mental hospitals over the course of the year for treatment because of what happened in this particular hotel by a guest, WHY would you still work there, and HOW could you still work there after the nightmare you have been through at THAT hotel? Especially with such a fragile state of mind. How could you function?

    - And if you had told people that work there about the attack (that are supposedly covering for Roethlisberger because they are supposedly friends of his)...then why is it that he didn't know about this until SATURDAY (according to his press conference today)? Wouldn't it make sense that his good friend, the hotel manager, that he golfed with, would let Roethlisberger know of these allegations that happened last year?
     
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    [QUOTE]One of her claims (if you read the documents) was that she was basically forced to take a paid leave of absence this July because Ben was back in town for the 2009 Golf Tournament.... Just off the top of my head, and because there's no Sox game tonight: - First of all, why would you continue to work for this hotel and for these "higher ups" when you have absolutely no confidence in their ability to look after your best interests as one of their employees? or their ability to provide a safe work environment (not to mention the poor work performance evaluation that is also mentioned in the suit that she feels is unjust). Is it really that difficult to find another hotel job in Nevada? -  And if you were so distressed/depressed that you had to go to 5...yes, 5 different mental hospitals over the course of the year for treatment because of what happened in this particular hotel by a guest, WHY would you still work there, and HOW could you still work there after the nightmare you have been through at THAT hotel? Especially with such a fragile state of mind. How could you function? - And if you had told people that work there about the attack (that are supposedly covering for Roethlisberger because they are supposedly friends of his)...then why is it that he didn't know about this until SATURDAY (according to his press conference today)? Wouldn't it make sense that his good friend, the hotel manager, that he golfed with, would let Roethlisberger know of these allegations that happened last year?
    Posted by dkmurph[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for reminding me.  His press conference has just become a valuable piece of evidence.  His claim about not knowing anything about the pending now actual lawsuit is a farce.  Exhibit number 1
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Specific details in the Roethlisberger sexual assualt case : Thanks for reminding me.  His press conference has just become a valuable piece of evidence.  His claim about not knowing anything about the pending now actual lawsuit is a farce.  Exhibit number 1
    Posted by theplaintruth[/QUOTE]

    ..."I did not have sexual relations with that woman"...Remember that quote from a much more prominent public figure at a much bigger press conference???

    I'm not saying BR did or didn't do it, but we all know that just making a statement doesn't always bring about the truth. And as someone else has remarked, he has a history of being drunk...He might not actually remember that he did this!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Specific details in the Roethlisberger sexual assualt case : Thanks for reminding me.  His press conference has just become a valuable piece of evidence.  His claim about not knowing anything about the pending now actual lawsuit is a farce.  Exhibit number 1
    Posted by theplaintruth[/QUOTE]


    And thank you for completely ignoring the rest of the post! Exhibit number 1? lol  okay, whatever!  You don't look for "theplaintruth", you've already convicted the guy!
     
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    Big Ben is guilty because (1) he's white, and (2) I hate him.

    p.s. the government is monitoring this website so don't say anything about the president or I will turn you in....NOT.
     
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    [QUOTE]Big Ben is guilty because (1) he's white, and (2) I hate him. p.s. the government is monitoring this website so don't say anything about the president or I will turn you in....NOT.
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    Ever hear what happens to those who make assumptions?  You assume far too much, but YOUR sheets are showing...
     
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    Re: Specific details in the Roethlisberger sexual assualt case

    CarawayDJ it is this simple, to me anyway, in the end all teh super bowls you win wont come to teh grave with you. The only thing you bring with you in the end is your name so I dont care if it is a distraction to the team or iff people are telling him to settle this and get it over with, this is his name we are talking about. If a girl accuses me of r ape and I know i didnt do it I am going to fight it in court football player or not. Its called honor and if he has any he wont settle out of court. If you pay the dime its cause you did the crime. I would do as you say and I would counter sue and take her for all she has. I would send a message to every person out there that if you try and lie and pull a quick one that there are some people still left in this world that will fight you till death to prove their innocence and I am one of them. Maybe Big Ben is not one of those people, maybe he cares more about this season then he does about clearing his own name but to me you dont pay someone hush money unless you did something wrong.
     

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