Still big needs...:-(

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    Still big needs...:-(

    So all of sudden Pats chose to draft two TE!! What is going on? Has BB lost it now? We draft a CB and two TE´s, but apparently we will play with absolutely no pass rush next year. Does BB really think a rookie and Banta-Cain is the solution as pass rushers? NOT!
    We really need to make some big, big trades at pass rush if we are going to compete in the division. And now Kirk Morrisson is gone for a fourth round pick...come on...wake up!- but hey, we got a romanian punter instead! Fantastic!
     
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    Step away from the ledge!
     
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    So all of sudden Pats chose to draft two TE!! What is going on? Has BB lost it now? We draft a CB and two TE´s, but apparently we will play with absolutely no pass rush next year. Does BB really think a rookie and Banta-Cain is the solution as pass rushers? NOT! We really need to make some big, big trades at pass rush if we are going to compete in the division. And now Kirk Morrisson is gone for a fourth round pick...come on...wake up!- but hey, we got a romanian punter instead! Fantastic!
    Posted by haldager


    Morrison wasn't going to help the pass rush and they have a surplus at ILB, so why waste a pick on him?
     
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    You can't solve all your problems in the draft.  I think the Pats did a great job of getting guys who will help us in areas of significant need. Are all our problems solved? No . . . but I think this draft represents significant progress:


     
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    It's the 4th round.  It's called going for the best player available.  If Griffen or Wotton were on the board than, yes, it would have been a bad pick.  But Hernandez is surly better than the other options out there.
     
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    Well how do you suggest we solve our pass rush problem then? Any big name pass rusher you think will be available in a trade? I am just a bit frustrated....:-)
     
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    Well how do you suggest we solve our pass rush problem then? Any big name pass rusher you think will be available in a trade? I am just a bit frustrated....:-)
    Posted by haldager


    Cunningham hopefully works out.  But look for more from Crable and even Guyton at OLB (especially with Spikes and MacKenzie inside).  And then they may work on the scheme incorporating more blitzes--maybe more safety and corner blitzes from nickel formations. 
     
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    We drafted an OLB in Cunningham so we now have TBC, Crable and Cunningham not the deepest  or most talented position but it's better than it was. 

    We also upgraded our inside LB with guyton and mayo returning starters and Mckenzie spikes fairly high draft pics to compete

    also  safteys we have 4 potential starters merriweather, mcgowan, chung sanders

    At corner we have butler/springs and bodden and then for nick and dime packages  mccourty whiltie wheately

    It's def disappointing we couldn't get another olb and a seymour replacement but I think we did a good job.

    If you don't like or don't think the guys are available when your drafting you need to get better in other positions. 
     
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    As mentioned above, don't discount Guyton moving outside to help. They have improved significantly in other areas.

    I'm a Koolaid drinker, but they are going to have to do more than Guyton, Crable and Cunningham.  I think they may re-sign Burgess who was better towards the end.  Hopefully BB has something else up his sleeve though. 
     
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    I agree with your concerns.  We didn't get the pass rusher that we sorely needed.  I also was looking for a RB this draft.  But this was a heck of a draft that did answer a lot of other needs.  We picked up two very good TEs.  An obvious need.  We got some defensive back help.  I think getting Spikes is great.

    I have been saying all along that we wouldn't be able to fix everything this draft.  It will take next years as well and then we'll be off to the races once more.
     
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    Although I liked the draft, I too am not overly enthusiastic about our pass rush situation.

     
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    The draft was ok, but we are in need of qualified pass rush. Guyton and TBC isnt exactly guys who make opponents afraid. TBC was a bust in SF for Gods sake..! and didnt he get half his sacks in the same game? - and Guyton was run over several times during last season. Im talking playmakers not "average and ok" guys at pass rush. Resign Burgess and trade for an experienced OLB at Pro Bowl level.

    In my opinion we still need experienced playmakers at three position: OLB, DE and WR. I agree the draft have taken care of TE, CB and ILB.

     
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    I would have liked to see a RB drafted.
     
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    I'm sure there will be some big name cuts available come June. 
     
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    You really sound like an uneducated fan you know. My 11 y/o nephew could have told me that we need a pass rush..great job , are you proud of yourself. You want to know something that Ive been saying all year , there wont and wasnt ONE projected OLB taken in the first round. And for good reason! By your logic we would have taken Kindle in the first , which would have turned out to be a huge reach. Theres much more value in Dev. Mc and I think hes going to be a better player. Step your game up and do some homework! Did you really watch the games last year and thought to yourself , " man , if we ONLY had a pass rush , we'd be all set then " ? If you did then your a fool. This team had/has big holes to fill and I think we took a big step in the right direction. Like I said , theres a reason not ONE projected OLB was taken in the first to play that position. Not one of those guys stands out from the next as a must have. Truth be told and Ive also been harping on this point , this draft wasnt as deep as everyone believes. And those projected OLBs were nothing special. Hey they could turn out to be LT , though I seriously doubt it , but we would have been right in not taken any because not ONE has done anything so far to make one think that. And if your going to bit ch and moan then at least give some type of reasoning as to why you think a Kindle/Hughes ( who was drafted to play DE btw ) would tear up the league next year.
     
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    love this draft, surprised by TE and CB picks but great players so well worth.  pass rush was improved.  Don't you think BB would have moved around the draft board to get a pass rusher if he didn't have faith in mckenzie or some of the drafted guys this year.    lots of sub packages with these players in their different roles will boost this defense, not to elite status, but were getting there.  We are one playmaker away from a stud defense.  Backfield is set for years to come.  missing a stud olb and a DE, but in the 3-4 a stud olb with a run stuffing end will be just what the doctor ordered.  One year until its a shutdown defense, but will be a top 6 defense this year.

    Its good to question BB, but don't think you know more then him.  If he didn't think he had the pass rush improved he would have made bolder moves to fix the problem in this draft.  A.D on run downs and cunningham on passing downs and spikes on running downs and guyton on passing downs.  

    lets not forget about tyrone mckenzie the kid has heart and talent, that usually equals success.

    go pats
     
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    Can people stop with the Guyton to OLB talk? He is NOT an OLB. They tried him there two years ago when they had a bunch of injuries and he was absolutely awful. He is way too small to be an OLB. Colvin, who they just hired away from UPS, played the entire game over him. Think about it. He's their skinniest LB! He can't set the edge and he never was a pass rusher. 

    Guyton is who he is. He's a nickel LB who has good straight line speed. He'd be a good 4-3 OLB, but he's way too small to hold up against the run as a 3-4 OLB. Guyton will just play less with Spikes and Mackenzie, which is what should happen. Put in Spike for downs 1 and 2 and then put in Guyton on third down. it's a much better situation than last year.

    People are forgetting Nikovitz, Woods, and Bruce Davis. Please don't tell me Crable will help at OLB. It won't be a strength, but not every position can be strong. 
     
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    I liked the draft. We went into it 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, and ended up with 5 players and what should be a very high 2nd round pick next year.

    Pats are never going to go anywhere without 3 really good corners who can cover on third down. For all the complaining about Willhite last year, those same people are probably the ones questioning the 1st round pick. We got killed by good teams who just picked on our nickel back. At the very least now, that's McCourty and I think he's going to impress. In addition to that, he's supposedly a stud in special teams. In this day and age, I'll spend a late first rounder (and throw in the WR they ended up getting by trading down)....any day.

    I'd still like to see more, but I think there's going to alot of cuts between now and training camp, so I don't think we're done.

    The most disappointing thing about the last week has been that it sometimes seems like our fans hate the Pats more than our rivals do...lol. Man, relax people, it's April!
     
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    You know who would have been a great pass rusher, Suh. Why didn't Belichick trade his entire draft for him ? Some people need to get a grip and step back and look at things more objectively. With #22 overall what were the chances we were going to get the greatest 3-4 DE in football history ? (not Suh). Pretty darn slim. I liked Morgan (as 3-4 rush OLB) and Suh alot, but I fully realized that, even with three 2nds to play with, it wasn't going to happen. That's just reality. When dudes run around saying you;re the best D linemen to come out in the last five years and your team has pick #22, you have little or no chance at landing a player
    like Suh.

    Two TEs. That's easy. Crumpler is getting older. Baker and Watson are gone. One vet to teach to the young pups how to play the position. It's not like we didn't know BB likes to draft TEs.

    DB in 1st. Also easy, when you get torched by Peyton Manning and the likes Chad Henne picking a DB is not tough decision to make. We can discuss whether or not he was the best DB on the board. Only time will tell. If we get Peterson in 1st next year, all complaints about this pick will be rendered moot because we will have drafted a nickel DB and got a nickel DB in 2010 and shutdown corner (or close to it) in 2011.

    Spikes and Cunningham give us thumpers and depth at LB. Key point. There was no Demarcus Ware in this draft.

    Zoltan.....obvious need.

    More depth fo the D Line.

    More weapons for Brady (TEs, Price). Always a good idea. A C or OG that can learn from Koppen et al. Also a good idea.
     
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    Half of our problem with the pass rush was the lack of time our D had to get to the QB with the ball in his hand.

    The other half had to do with the lack of a good pass rush.

    I think they've potentially fixed the first part with McCourty coming in and pushing for starting or 3rd CB position, but in the meantime he can add a lot of value by being a beast on ST and with our new stud Punter Mesko, we should also decrease the starting field position of our opponents, and potentially increase our own if McCourty makes an impact at returning.

    We have TE's now which can help get our running game going a little more, and give Brady more targets on the field so we're not always running the "Moss is covered, dump to Welker" plays. That should help our redzone offense, which means we'll be putting up more points. With more points, we can do more stuff on D and take a few more risks which will increase our pass rush.

    We've added a few really smart players, who are familiar with each other, and who should gravitate towards our leaders and gel really quickly. It should add to the complexity of the defense we can run, and get back to giving offenses some interesting looks. 

    All-in-all I think we did exactly what we needed without having to sacrifice a ton of picks to grab one "guaranteed" pass rusher.

    Plus we added a 2nd-round pick to next year's draft which is hugh.
     
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    You know who would have been a great pass rusher, Suh. Why didn't Belichick trade his entire draft for him ? Some people need to get a grip and step back and look at things more objectively. With #22 overall what were the chances we were going to get the greatest 3-4 DE in football history ? (not Suh). Pretty darn slim. I liked Morgan (as 3-4 rush OLB) and Suh alot, but I fully realized that, even with three 2nds to play with, it wasn't going to happen. That's just reality. When dudes run around saying you;re the best D linemen to come out in the last five years and your team has pick #22, you have little or no chance at landing a player like Suh. Two TEs. That's easy. Crumpler is getting older. Baker and Watson are gone. One vet to teach to the young pups how to play the position. It's not like we didn't know BB likes to draft TEs. DB in 1st. Also easy, when you get torched by Peyton Manning and the likes Chad Henne picking a DB is not tough decision to make. We can discuss whether or not he was the best DB on the board. Only time will tell. If we get Peterson in 1st next year, all complaints about this pick will be rendered moot because we will have drafted a nickel DB and got a nickel DB in 2010 and shutdown corner (or close to it) in 2011. Spikes and Cunningham give us thumpers and depth at LB. Key point. There was no Demarcus Ware in this draft. Zoltan.....obvious need. More depth fo the D Line. More weapons for Brady (TEs, Price). Always a good idea. A C or OG that can learn from Koppen et al. Also a good idea.
    Posted by JohnHannahrulz


    When you get torched by Manning and Henning its a no brainer to go and get a CB.  OH REALLY?????  All during the season and the off-season 99.9% of the people on this board said the reason they got torched was THEY HAD NO PASS RUSH AND THOSE QB'S HAD ALL DAY TO THROW.  I dont care who you have in the secondary if there is no pass rush, eventually someone is going to get open. 


    Less time to throw, less time CB has to cover.  Everyones mocks on here had pass rushers early not CB's. (whether it be experts or fans). 

     
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    Allow your self to ponder this for a moment.

    Jerry Hughes was there in the 1st Round.  Kindle was there in the 2nd.

    Hughes - Mayo - Spikes - Kindle
    backed up by:  Guyton, TBC and another or two from the fold.

    That would be the core of a solid Defense for the next 8 - 9 years.
     
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    In Response to Re: Still big needs...:-( : When you get torched by Manning and Henning its a no brainer to go and get a CB.  OH REALLY?????  All during the season and the off-season 99.9% of the people on this board said the reason they got torched was THEY HAD NO PASS RUSH AND THOSE QB'S HAD ALL DAY TO THROW.  I dont care who you have in the secondary if there is no pass rush, eventually someone is going to get open.  Less time to throw, less time CB has to cover.  Everyones mocks on here had pass rushers early not CB's. (whether it be experts or fans). 
    Posted by Patsman2



    True that!  Nothing helps the secondary more than a pass rush.   A top tier pass rusher (there were plenty of them in this draft)  would have helped our secondary far more than what we collected in this years draft.  Hey, perhaps that punter grabbed in the 5th is a secret 3rd down sack specialist
     
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    Everyones talking about how thin the Pats are at OLB and not one of you have mentioned Adalius Thomas. AD is owed alot of money for two more years so he's not going anywhere. Now that the Pats have more ILB help for Mayo, hopefully BB will use AD as the pass rushing animal that he really is. For a RB I think Blount from Oregon would be a good UFA pickup.
     
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    its laughable that anyone on here would bring up AD. there is not a chance he will be on this team next season. bringing up crable is almost as bad, that ship has sailed. i agree that we could have used a second OLB and a good running back, but those layers just werent available. by the time we were picking in the 1st round the elite players at those positions were gone. ok hughes was there but he isnt a fit. dont forget that the jets and miami, who were looking for the same type of rush linebacker, passed on him too. he's too light to play the run. kindle was a medical concern (microfracture surgery - yikes!), and it turned out that the media got us riled up about sapp but not one team really liked him.
    as for running backs, there was only one complete one and he was gone. i know we all were worked up about dwyer, but there obviously were some huge red flags on him, not to mention the positive drug test and lack of acceleration. we obviously drafted based on need to a degree but also based on the available talent. sounds good to me. 
    no question we still could use some good vets, hopefully some will be hitting the market over the coming weeks.
     

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