tagliabue vacates bountygate suspensions, spygate appeal next...?

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    In response to MasterHess-'s comment:
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    Spygate is a stain on the pats and will be forever the black cloud that doesn't allow them to win a SB. They haven't since and they won't in the future. That Karma can be a B ITCH sometimes can't it?

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    So what great wrong did the Jets do to bring about the wrath that is now known as the 43, soon to be 44, year drought? lol

     
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    Spygate is a done and over. The only thing it provided was an excuse for other teams and their fan bases to b*tch about the Patriot's success and the model franchise it has become.

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    Spygate is a stain on the pats and will be forever the black cloud that doesn't allow them to win a SB. They haven't since and they won't in the future. That Karma can be a B ITCH sometimes can't it?

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    AAH yes here comes one of the the excuse makers. thanks for proving my point.

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    Hey Hess, when are you going to figure out that you, like your pathetic team, can't win. Give it up bro. Stay mad while your at it too.

     
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    Confused. Do you want Kraft and BB to appeal that the punishments were too severe?

    There's no doubt that the Pats did something. Whether it helped a lot or a little can't be determined since Goodell  "burned" the tapes.

    Don't see how the Pats could win in this situation. Only thing this does is take Goodell down. However, bringing spygate up might not be best for the organization.

    Only thing that could possibly help the Pats would be if the publicized. Biggest thing that could've helped was the alleged tape of Herm Edwards waving at the camera. If Herm knew the Pats were taping, I'm sure other coaches had an idea too...which would probably make spygate completely useless.

     

    Goodell's reputation is already tarnished. Everyone already knows he's inconsistent with his punishments and takes everything a bit too far.

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    In a court it would be a mistrial, or at least the judgment vacated since fairness was not possible in the highly charged and politicized atmosphere of mistruths that it was carried out under.

     

    #1 .  "spygate".  Incorrect. Taping done in open.

    #2.   memo violation.  If memo was so clear as to the rule, then why were there contradictions with the prior rule...?

    #3.  Location of camera.  It's  not a violation to study other teams signals.  Its incorrect to call it "stealing".

    #4.  Media role .  The sports media corrupted any chance of fairness by repeating drumbeating these mistruths along with other lies like walkthroughs etc.

    #5.  Lawsuit dismissed.  A court heard  and ruled on a lawsuit attempting to prove damages from this taping violation. 

    Any rational conclusion of these facts would amount to a minor violation of an inconsequential rule...

    Fine...  25k or 50k....

     

     
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    glad you're amused Hess...  How's the stinkhole that is the jets clown show doing this week?

    Even your buddy mangini apologized and acknowledged it was minor.

     
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    Hey Coolade -How are ya!?

    The Jets are good -Thanks for asking-The pats looked great the other night but it's all meaningless with what BB did back in 07'.You guys will paying for that hopefully the rest of your lives. you deserve it!

     

    I'm hungry and it's time for lunch.

    Y'all have a nice afternoon now...ya'hear!?

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    Enjoy your lunch in the outhouse!!!!!

     
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    understand people who want to bury this issue because of people like hess and other reasons.

    my answer is it was wrong, period.  lots of things get corrected after the fact. 

     

    If I were jonathan or bob,  I would mobilize right now the best lawyers they can find and file the necessary paperwork to get this thing fixed.

    burning the tapes means squat.  the existence of tapes is not the question.  all teams have tapes.  that part was the witch hunt.  Whats on the tapes...?  duh coaches.  what were they expecting...?  some secret video of mangini boinking his assistant...  the tapes are irrelevant to the memo violation which had to do with location of cameras.

     
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    so goodell is already knocked down a few pegs, so insert some rational thinking.  whethter it be by kraft himself or lawyers. this is not trivial... obviously.  its borderline criminal.  I wouldn't be afraid of approaching it.  

    the officials made a mistake.  review it.

     
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     Goodell needs to be embarrassed...

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    Anna Gristina is looking to expose a high ranking NFL executive in NY. Hmmmm.....

     
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    NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell

    yeah it's really time to go after this commissioner in every way possible.  Owners should recognize the errors of judgment and make it clear that they are a collected body of intelligent people, not weak followers of corrupted dictator. 

    when else would you have an opportunity than after he has been corrected twice, ... First by an arbitrator, then by a former commissioner, Tagliabue.

    most (lets have a poll) players and fans DESPISE this guy for what he has done and what crazy idea he might propose next.  Kickoffs , playoffs, Thursdays, everything  is getting shot down in the public arena, but inside the cocoon of  NFL management, everything is fine...

    well, I don't know what options owners have, or what players union can do, but they should set out to take back the NFL from  the greedy, delusional goodell. 

     

     
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    How about that...?  There is a rational ruling coming from the NFL...

    Too bad he wasn't around in 2007 when goodell screwed the patriots.

    Is it too late?

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    Why bother? I'm sure BB and Brady would rather another ring.

     
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    I personally could see 3 more, but it's not mutually exclusive.  Kraft should pursue every angle to get a rational review of 2007 fiasco.  What else has he got to do..?  The casino was rejected.  Take this on .  Goodell is weak right now.

     
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    NFLPA wasn't involved in that, so the process was entirely different.

    Kraft could have taken Goodell to court and won. But Bob knows that would have been cutting off his nose to spite his face. That kind of intense courtroom scrutiny would have exposed the extent of that sort of thing league-wide. And Bob knows that could only in the end hurt the credibility of the league and therefore hurt his team even more than taking it on the chin for Goodell's stupidity did.

    If only BB was not so dumb as to keep doing it after the memo came out, Goodell wouldn't have had a chance to be the moron that he is.

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    Hey Babe,

    Completely agree with you. What will always annoy me however is the media rode this thing to death. Mainly because of their dislike of BB. We probably will not hear the real truth of the whole affair until either BB or Ratgini write their memoirs. Hope I am around to read it.

     
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    Re: tagliabue vacates bountygate suspensions, spygate appeal next...?

    HEY COOLADE!

    I think you should start a petition.  Get as many signatures as you can and submit your petition to the league office.  Populism is a strong strong weapon. 

     
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    Hey fruity UDy...  Yeah petitions are your specialty... Remember that terrible struggle to get your rights to marry... 

    I heard Indy actually has their own board, too. 

     
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    A couple fascinating items from nytimes article on bountygate settlement:

     

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    Tagliabue reached into the N.F.L.'s history to provide guidance for how he thought Goodell should have handled this case, pointing to how the former commissioner Pete Rozelle phased in a policy on performance-enhancing drugs, which included a discipline-free transition year.

    "He understood that sometimes it's necessary to clarify the rules - make sure everyone understands; postpone discipline for a while, not forever, but maybe for a season; and then enforce the rules with strict discipline," Tagliabue wrote.

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    Do ya think this might have applied to the f'n taping memo...?    Clarify the rules... Make sure everyone understands... Maybe  wait a SEASON......!

    This is exactly what I'm talking about.  Do any of you get it? .  This is a unique opportunity RIGHT NOW for Kraft to approach  Tagliabue and a collection of owners to review the facts. using the same criteria and wisdom that was applied to this decision.

     
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    Coolade,

    Aside from the fact thar Mr Kraft and all the owners already know all the facts and, I am sure, reviewed them back in 07, bringing spygate up again, on the national stage, will not do the NFL, nor the Pats, any good. Like some smart person said at some time or other, "you can't take back the spoken word."  Even if they did get the ruling vacated and got their first round pick back, you would still hear the hess's of the world throw out the word spygate every chance they get. Heck, people still believe man never landed on the moon even though there are pictures proving it.

     
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    Oh, I forgot to mention, though I doubt anyone remembers, the Pats were penalized for the insubordination of  ignoring the memo, not for cheating. Goodell was forced (probably by the owners) to appear on national TV and state "the Patriots DID NOT CHEAT".  They were being punished for "Ignoring the memo we sent out at the beginning of training camp".  And since the Pats did ignore the memo, what is there really to vacate? 

     

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