Tavon Wilson

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    Belichick has no clue about drafting CB's , Safeties, or WR's.

     

    Whoever disagrees with that is a fool.

    Pete Carrol managed to build an elite defense.  Somehow he managed to find Sherman in the 5th round.  Belichick just loves to draft midget CB"s or injury prone ones.

     

    This is a 3-13 football team being rescued by an all time great QB. A QB which has so little to work with, it is almost mind boggling how the Patriots offense manages to do well.  He has bottom 5 WR talent out there. 

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    Probably the most ridiculus post in here in the last 4 hours, which is saying something.

    Amendola and Edelman are putting up their numbers most of the time this season without Gronk.

    Welker never did what he did without a HOF caliber player alongside him.

    Edelman>>>Welker (right now).

    Hooman with a gorgeous TD catch.  It is mindboggling the excuses pink hats like you give Brady.

    You wash his balls with glee one week when  he was awful for an entire 2.5 qtrs, but he helps make up for it, so you gloss over it.

    Today, he fiddled pleny with his diddle for 2 qtrs easy and you act like he's owed that amount of time becauase of WHO he is, at the expense of our defense.

    Sorry, jig is up. Brady can't be given this much leeway and not getting this team into the end zone.

    Down 7 in the 4th and 33 passes to 3 runs is unacceptable behavior. It's clearly not all about Brady and never has been.

    To discount the people around him means you have some mental illness.

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    Words cannot explain how much of an idiot you are.  Although, these words do a decent job, they're yours. "Down 7 in the 4th and 33 passes to 3 runs is unacceptable behavior"

    Hmmm down 7..... what happens next with all those passes? Brady scores 10 unanswered...and you complain about Brady giving the Pats the lead?  What a complete moron.  Then what happens?  The D immediately gives up a 60 yard TD drive including a 4th & 5 conversion.  This was becasue of Brady's passing?  Are you for real?  The final drive was 13 passes.  How many runs were you hoping for in the minute left on the clock?  

    How you blame Brady and his 105 rating is beyond any reasonable person.  Learn the game.

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    Yeah, that;s right.  Because they had plays where they stopped the clock in the 4th. Defenses bait him into throwing more.  He does, we lose.

    Very simple. Put a good drive together with mostly running and you're golden. The problem is, they never got playaction established in the first half, so they limited themselves with not only controlling the 4th but icing the game.

    Stats are no the game, MORON.  You're such an idiot.  Managing the game from the QB position is the game.

    Accumulation of stats are not the game. Ugh. So dumb. I've never seen someone so dumb.

    Brady was ok today, certainly not worth a 105 rating. Jesus.

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    Yes, stats are no the game.  Agreed.  Are you somehow suggesting that Tannehill didn't have a fantastic day as his 3 TDs no picks and a rating of 120 says he did?

     
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    Best draft yield in the NFL since 2010??? Love it! Hilarious! Hey did you read that from some website like when you told us all that Merriweather was the second best safety in the AFC? Hey rust...news flash, just because some of our draft picks are still on the roster and some are actually "starting" means squat. How's the yield on Tavon Wilson? How's the yield on Bequette? How's the yield on Gronk heading into three post seasons now? Because he's the best we've drafted in five years by far and he's done. How did draft risk hernandez work out? Just why did we pay him 45 million? Cunningham still on the yield chart? How about Brace? Is there another position change in store for McCourty...how about cover linebacker, that didn't work out too well for free agent bust Adrian Wilson. Hey no worries, Harmon will get his chance to be exposed soon enough! How's Justin Francis doing lately? No worries, he doesn't effect draft yield! Lol! Neither will Jones and Vellano when one (or both are cut next year when Armstead comes back from never playing). Hey losing porn star Brandon Spikes to free agency will kill some of that yield, but you can't keep the guy, he doesn't work out with the team (works on his coverage skills in Florida during the off season..remember that one?)...meanwhile hasn't made a play since Buffalo. Did we even draft Arrington...hope not, it will kill yield. D you get yield points for drops?? If we do we'll be yielding out our butts. Vereen yields his brains out every time he goes down with injury. Ridley gets yielding like crazy every time the ball gets knocked out of his arms...no one yields like him.

    This the yield you talking about? You get that on pro football focus? I've got to go there, maybe they can tell me about salary cap hell.

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    Name the teams who have better yields.  I challenged Babe to this and he failed.

    So, good luck!

    $100 you run away and don't take the challenge like the little girl you are in your apron.

    bawahaah

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    Are you including those in prison for murder or no?

     
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    Belichick has no clue about drafting CB's , Safeties, or WR's.

     

    Whoever disagrees with that is a fool.

    Pete Carrol managed to build an elite defense.  Somehow he managed to find Sherman in the 5th round.  Belichick just loves to draft midget CB"s or injury prone ones.

     

    This is a 3-13 football team being rescued by an all time great QB. A QB which has so little to work with, it is almost mind boggling how the Patriots offense manages to do well.  He has bottom 5 WR talent out there. 

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    Personally I think the last five years as GM have been poor...too many misses, too many mistakes...all covered up by great coaching and even better quarterback play.

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    The best draft yield in the NFL since 2010 is "poor"?  LOL!

    Absolutely priceless.

    Pitt, NYGs, Baltimore, etc, in their cap hells and missed draft picks at .500 or worse somehow have better plans off the lockout.

    Absolutely priceless.

    Keep in mind, this team has been decimated by injuries, BB will win Coach of the Year and he Caserio should win GM of the year for the depth this team has had to sustain. Been nothing short of brilliant doubling up on draft picks, developing the younger players and bringing them along to help the team win games.  

    All because Brady and the offense were 1/4 in the red zone today.  My god.

    The best GM of the cap era, and hence of all time, somehow "poor" at his job without getting into a cap hell, keeping leverage and having a stellar rookie class here in 2013.

    DUmber than a bag of rocks.

    Mt Hurl just lives and breathes for moments to single out and scapegoat players who are on the field or off of it on D, to deflect from when Brady fails leading our offense.

    Note how Amendola and Edelman, christ, even Hooman, had great days, so he ignores those factors.

    All 3 players were signs or resigns by BB.

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    Gee Dead, in a couple of years we won't have Brady and then you can crow about how great Mallett is.

     
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    Best draft yield in the NFL since 2010??? Love it! Hilarious! Hey did you read that from some website like when you told us all that Merriweather was the second best safety in the AFC? Hey rust...news flash, just because some of our draft picks are still on the roster and some are actually "starting" means squat. How's the yield on Tavon Wilson? How's the yield on Bequette? How's the yield on Gronk heading into three post seasons now? Because he's the best we've drafted in five years by far and he's done. How did draft risk hernandez work out? Just why did we pay him 45 million? Cunningham still on the yield chart? How about Brace? Is there another position change in store for McCourty...how about cover linebacker, that didn't work out too well for free agent bust Adrian Wilson. Hey no worries, Harmon will get his chance to be exposed soon enough! How's Justin Francis doing lately? No worries, he doesn't effect draft yield! Lol! Neither will Jones and Vellano when one (or both are cut next year when Armstead comes back from never playing). Hey losing porn star Brandon Spikes to free agency will kill some of that yield, but you can't keep the guy, he doesn't work out with the team (works on his coverage skills in Florida during the off season..remember that one?)...meanwhile hasn't made a play since Buffalo. Did we even draft Arrington...hope not, it will kill yield. D you get yield points for drops?? If we do we'll be yielding out our butts. Vereen yields his brains out every time he goes down with injury. Ridley gets yielding like crazy every time the ball gets knocked out of his arms...no one yields like him.

    This the yield you talking about? You get that on pro football focus? I've got to go there, maybe they can tell me about salary cap hell.

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    Name the teams who have better yields.  I challenged Babe to this and he failed.

    So, good luck!

    $100 you run away and don't take the challenge like the little girl you are in your apron.

    bawahaah

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    Here's the problem inherent in your claim.  You have already said that any player that plays for Bill must be great.  You still cannot admit RasI or Cunningham were busts.  You think Hightower is a good player.  You think McCourty is something more than a busted CB turned average safety.  

    You are unwilling to set any criteria for rating these players that are in the "best yield".  When you have the sack to do so, then you could easily be proven the idiot we all know you are.  This lack of balls is intentional.  You know that as soon as you do use a criteria other than 'if he plays for Bill he must be great' you'll be proven wrong.

     
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    Belichick has no clue about drafting CB's , Safeties, or WR's.

     

    Whoever disagrees with that is a fool.

    Pete Carrol managed to build an elite defense.  Somehow he managed to find Sherman in the 5th round.  Belichick just loves to draft midget CB"s or injury prone ones.

     

    This is a 3-13 football team being rescued by an all time great QB. A QB which has so little to work with, it is almost mind boggling how the Patriots offense manages to do well.  He has bottom 5 WR talent out there. 

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    Probably the most ridiculus post in here in the last 4 hours, which is saying something.

    Amendola and Edelman are putting up their numbers most of the time this season without Gronk.

    Welker never did what he did without a HOF caliber player alongside him.

    Edelman>>>Welker (right now).

    Hooman with a gorgeous TD catch.  It is mindboggling the excuses pink hats like you give Brady.

    You wash his balls with glee one week when  he was awful for an entire 2.5 qtrs, but he helps make up for it, so you gloss over it.

    Today, he fiddled pleny with his diddle for 2 qtrs easy and you act like he's owed that amount of time becauase of WHO he is, at the expense of our defense.

    Sorry, jig is up. Brady can't be given this much leeway and not getting this team into the end zone.

    Down 7 in the 4th and 33 passes to 3 runs is unacceptable behavior. It's clearly not all about Brady and never has been.

    To discount the people around him means you have some mental illness.

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    Words cannot explain how much of an idiot you are.  Although, these words do a decent job, they're yours. "Down 7 in the 4th and 33 passes to 3 runs is unacceptable behavior"

    Hmmm down 7..... what happens next with all those passes? Brady scores 10 unanswered...and you complain about Brady giving the Pats the lead?  What a complete moron.  Then what happens?  The D immediately gives up a 60 yard TD drive including a 4th & 5 conversion.  This was becasue of Brady's passing?  Are you for real?  The final drive was 13 passes.  How many runs were you hoping for in the minute left on the clock?  

    How you blame Brady and his 105 rating is beyond any reasonable person.  Learn the game.

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    Yeah, that;s right.  Because they had plays where they stopped the clock in the 4th. Defenses bait him into throwing more.  He does, we lose.

    Very simple. Put a good drive together with mostly running and you're golden. The problem is, they never got playaction established in the first half, so they limited themselves with not only controlling the 4th but icing the game.

    Stats are no the game, MORON.  You're such an idiot.  Managing the game from the QB position is the game.

    Accumulation of stats are not the game. Ugh. So dumb. I've never seen someone so dumb.

    Brady was ok today, certainly not worth a 105 rating. Jesus.

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    Not worth a 105 rating? Well, seemed he earned it Russ. You know, it's calculated using some numbers and some difficult mathamatical concepts like addition and division

     

     
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    Belichick has no clue about drafting CB's , Safeties, or WR's.

     

    Whoever disagrees with that is a fool.

    Pete Carrol managed to build an elite defense.  Somehow he managed to find Sherman in the 5th round.  Belichick just loves to draft midget CB"s or injury prone ones.

     

    This is a 3-13 football team being rescued by an all time great QB. A QB which has so little to work with, it is almost mind boggling how the Patriots offense manages to do well.  He has bottom 5 WR talent out there. 

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    Probably the most ridiculus post in here in the last 4 hours, which is saying something.

    Amendola and Edelman are putting up their numbers most of the time this season without Gronk.

    Welker never did what he did without a HOF caliber player alongside him.

    Edelman>>>Welker (right now).

    Hooman with a gorgeous TD catch.  It is mindboggling the excuses pink hats like you give Brady.

    You wash his balls with glee one week when  he was awful for an entire 2.5 qtrs, but he helps make up for it, so you gloss over it.

    Today, he fiddled pleny with his diddle for 2 qtrs easy and you act like he's owed that amount of time becauase of WHO he is, at the expense of our defense.

    Sorry, jig is up. Brady can't be given this much leeway and not getting this team into the end zone.

    Down 7 in the 4th and 33 passes to 3 runs is unacceptable behavior. It's clearly not all about Brady and never has been.

    To discount the people around him means you have some mental illness.

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    Words cannot explain how much of an idiot you are.  Although, these words do a decent job, they're yours. "Down 7 in the 4th and 33 passes to 3 runs is unacceptable behavior"

    Hmmm down 7..... what happens next with all those passes? Brady scores 10 unanswered...and you complain about Brady giving the Pats the lead?  What a complete moron.  Then what happens?  The D immediately gives up a 60 yard TD drive including a 4th & 5 conversion.  This was becasue of Brady's passing?  Are you for real?  The final drive was 13 passes.  How many runs were you hoping for in the minute left on the clock?  

    How you blame Brady and his 105 rating is beyond any reasonable person.  Learn the game.

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    Yeah, that;s right.  Because they had plays where they stopped the clock in the 4th. Defenses bait him into throwing more.  He does, we lose.

    Very simple. Put a good drive together with mostly running and you're golden. The problem is, they never got playaction established in the first half, so they limited themselves with not only controlling the 4th but icing the game.

    Stats are no the game, MORON.  You're such an idiot.  Managing the game from the QB position is the game.

    Accumulation of stats are not the game. Ugh. So dumb. I've never seen someone so dumb.

    Brady was ok today, certainly not worth a 105 rating. Jesus.

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    Yes, stats are no the game.  Agreed.  Are you somehow suggesting that Tannehill didn't have a fantastic day as his 3 TDs no picks and a rating of 120 says he did?

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    Hold on. tannehill didn't earn That 120 rating. It all came in garbage time in the first 4 quarters, and we were playing bend over and break it off defense. 3tds, 7 int's in the postseason. Got to wake up, lose his binkies. The warning was out cupcake. Laying in the weeds.

     
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    "Not worth a 105 rating? Well, seemed he earned it Russ. You know, it's calculated using some numbers and some difficult mathamatical concepts like addition and division"

    Russ expects a QB to be able to play well no matter what the injuries to skill positions around him. It's one of his tedious quirks. 

    When evidence shows that QB did play well, he refers to his own ideas. When "facts" support him, he rolls out the facts. 

    We're not that good on any side of the ball but anyone who can't see Brady is the best thing about this flawed team is either a fool or a Belichick worshipper

     
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    So we are going to bring up every sore subject tonight



    "You can never have enough DBs" - Andy Gresh

    Mt Hurl does not understand the NFL. He doesn't get that injuries are on the rise with rule changes, it's an offensive era, etc. He just doesn't get it. He didn't know what the lockout meant, why it happaned, what a CBA or a salary cap means.

    He's a Home Ec teacher with a high school diploma, so it's what you'd expect.

     

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    Another nugget from Simms, who must have not taken his hush pills today. On one reception by the Dolphins he said with the new rule changes that's a reception. Under the old rules it probably wouldn't have been. He had a couple of revelations today. Wonder if he is quietly throwing stuff out there.

     
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    How the heck to you leave out first round draft bust Maryweather?  The best footwork that dude ever displayed was stomping that Central Florida guy that was laying on the ground.

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    hahaah no no no TCal it was an Florida International player hahaha but very good point. Meriweather was a thug that just blows up heads from the getgo

     
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    Wake up!  This team is made of depth.  Most other teams lose 6 starters and they are 2 -14.  The reason the Patriots are still in the playoff picture is good drafting and good scouting.  Wilson has the skills, he just does not have the mental ability to learn from his mistakes.  He needs to not make the same mistake twice.  This team has lost Hernandez, Gronk, Vollmer, Wilfork, Kelly, Mayo and A. Wilson and still are winning.  What team can withstand that talent loss in this day and age.  The offensive line is hurting.  The defensive line starts two rookies who were castoffs.  No one is talking about Collins drafted in the second round this year and playing well.  Denard was a 7th rounder.  Ryan, Harmon, Dobson, Boyce, Thompkins, Vollano, and Allen have all been contributers this year. How many teams can say they have 8 rookies contributing.  The draft is never going to be perfect.  Some players are going to be drafted and be a bust.  Look at Trent Richardson.  An early first round draft pick.  The last three years have produced some good talent for the Patriots.  Look at the big picture. 

     
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    Gregory had a terrible game...  Kind of like 60-65% of his other ones.  He showed some flashes this year but really his overall body of work  is pretty bad.    So why is there a reluctance to let a younger aggressive guy (wilson)  get in there and at least hit a few people.  The worst part of gregory is he plays soft.  He's small and plays smaller.  He seems to have some speed but its not enough. 

    I would rather see Wilson or even Ebner out there than Gregory half the time.  Cut his snaps and see what happens.

     
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    Best draft yield in the NFL since 2010??? Love it! Hilarious! Hey did you read that from some website like when you told us all that Merriweather was the second best safety in the AFC? Hey rust...news flash, just because some of our draft picks are still on the roster and some are actually "starting" means squat. How's the yield on Tavon Wilson? How's the yield on Bequette? How's the yield on Gronk heading into three post seasons now? Because he's the best we've drafted in five years by far and he's done. How did draft risk hernandez work out? Just why did we pay him 45 million? Cunningham still on the yield chart? How about Brace? Is there another position change in store for McCourty...how about cover linebacker, that didn't work out too well for free agent bust Adrian Wilson. Hey no worries, Harmon will get his chance to be exposed soon enough! How's Justin Francis doing lately? No worries, he doesn't effect draft yield! Lol! Neither will Jones and Vellano when one (or both are cut next year when Armstead comes back from never playing). Hey losing porn star Brandon Spikes to free agency will kill some of that yield, but you can't keep the guy, he doesn't work out with the team (works on his coverage skills in Florida during the off season..remember that one?)...meanwhile hasn't made a play since Buffalo. Did we even draft Arrington...hope not, it will kill yield. D you get yield points for drops?? If we do we'll be yielding out our butts. Vereen yields his brains out every time he goes down with injury. Ridley gets yielding like crazy every time the ball gets knocked out of his arms...no one yields like him.

    This the yield you talking about? You get that on pro football focus? I've got to go there, maybe they can tell me about salary cap hell.

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    Multiple LOLs on this one.  "we'll be yielding out our butts."  Way too funny.

     
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    Brady was ok today, certainly not worth a 105 rating. Jesus.

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    Apparently, Rusty thinks QB Rating is subjective.  How can a guy, who spends so much of his life talking about a subject, know so little about said subject?

     
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    Watching BB draft in the second round is like having sex with BB, its just wrong.

     
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    Wake up!  This team is made of depth.  Most other teams lose 6 starters and they are 2 -14.  The reason the Patriots are still in the playoff picture is good drafting and good scouting.  Wilson has the skills, he just does not have the mental ability to learn from his mistakes.  He needs to not make the same mistake twice.  This team has lost Hernandez, Gronk, Vollmer, Wilfork, Kelly, Mayo and A. Wilson and still are winning.  What team can withstand that talent loss in this day and age.  The offensive line is hurting.  The defensive line starts two rookies who were castoffs.  No one is talking about Collins drafted in the second round this year and playing well.  Denard was a 7th rounder.  Ryan, Harmon, Dobson, Boyce, Thompkins, Vollano, and Allen have all been contributers this year. How many teams can say they have 8 rookies contributing.  The draft is never going to be perfect.  Some players are going to be drafted and be a bust.  Look at Trent Richardson.  An early first round draft pick.  The last three years have produced some good talent for the Patriots.  Look at the big picture. 

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    Never think with emotion...doesn't work. The entire problem on D is EXACTLY the lack of depth and them being unable to step up after front line players went down.

     
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    Gregory had a terrible game...  Kind of like 60-65% of his other ones.  He showed some flashes this year but really his overall body of work  is pretty bad.    So why is there a reluctance to let a younger aggressive guy (wilson)  get in there and at least hit a few people.  The worst part of gregory is he plays soft.  He's small and plays smaller.  He seems to have some speed but its not enough. 

    I would rather see Wilson or even Ebner out there than Gregory half the time.  Cut his snaps and see what happens.

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    I am with you. He hits like Samuel, in that he doesn't wrap the guy up, but rather lunges and flails. I would rather see Harmon and ebner in there, cut bait on Gregory all together. 

     
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    gregory was solid earlier in the year and he does sacrifice his body and hit as hard as he can but since getting that thumb injury he cant wrap up correctly. I wouldnt be too down on him.  the bigger question is why cant we go to go to our recent 2nd and 3rd round drafted backup safeties instead of a one handed guy trying to tackle?? I know the answer, do you guys?

     
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    gregory was solid earlier in the year and he does sacrifice his body and hit as hard as he can but since getting that thumb injury he cant wrap up correctly. I wouldnt be too down on him.  the bigger question is why cant we go to go to our recent 2nd and 3rd round drafted backup safeties instead of a one handed guy trying to tackle?? I know the answer, do you guys?

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    Yes of course. Harmon I think could be a decent safety. At this ppoint I would rather see him over Gregory, and, Ryan over cole. 

    The secondary doesn't worry me. It's the pass rush and lbs. ..front 7 Less jones and nink.

    yes, tavon Wilson is a wasted pick, bb has had his share of them, but he also has landed some good talent, starting talent over the past 4 drafts. Guys like wilson, dowling, bequette, Cunningham, Taylor price, are all examples of wasted early picks. But, bb has done well with solder, jones, mccourty, Vereen, Gronk to a degree (lack,of having him when needed most is hard), and others. 

    However, its easy to say like cupcake does that it was the best yiele of any during that span, without looking back at the 3-4 drafts prior to see what transpired, and, how many a bust in these drafts resulted in bb having to pick again, and again, and again, the same position. Do I have,to remind anyone of the revolving door at cb and safety? It seems finally we got it fixed, but look at what it took (twilson being a casualty of this process) to get it fixed.

    this,is the story within the story that cupcake glosses over because it doesn't support,his propaganda he's pushing here.

     
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    Best draft yield in the NFL since 2010??? Love it! Hilarious! Hey did you read that from some website like when you told us all that Merriweather was the second best safety in the AFC? Hey rust...news flash, just because some of our draft picks are still on the roster and some are actually "starting" means squat. How's the yield on Tavon Wilson? How's the yield on Bequette? How's the yield on Gronk heading into three post seasons now? Because he's the best we've drafted in five years by far and he's done. How did draft risk hernandez work out? Just why did we pay him 45 million? Cunningham still on the yield chart? How about Brace? Is there another position change in store for McCourty...how about cover linebacker, that didn't work out too well for free agent bust Adrian Wilson. Hey no worries, Harmon will get his chance to be exposed soon enough! How's Justin Francis doing lately? No worries, he doesn't effect draft yield! Lol! Neither will Jones and Vellano when one (or both are cut next year when Armstead comes back from never playing). Hey losing porn star Brandon Spikes to free agency will kill some of that yield, but you can't keep the guy, he doesn't work out with the team (works on his coverage skills in Florida during the off season..remember that one?)...meanwhile hasn't made a play since Buffalo. Did we even draft Arrington...hope not, it will kill yield. D you get yield points for drops?? If we do we'll be yielding out our butts. Vereen yields his brains out every time he goes down with injury. Ridley gets yielding like crazy every time the ball gets knocked out of his arms...no one yields like him.

    This the yield you talking about? You get that on pro football focus? I've got to go there, maybe they can tell me about salary cap hell.

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    Multiple LOLs on this one.  "we'll be yielding out our butts."  Way too funny.

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    My lord I forgot about Rasi Dowling!! The guy that was supposed to be the prized piece of that draft weekend. He was basically considered to be a prized possesion because under the new draft format we had all night to "field trade offers for that pick, to look over the board and study who was left over from the first round"...then we picked a guy who got injured running his 40 yard dash?? Disgusting. Another waste. No team had more selections than us over the last 5 years and we came away with Gronk, Spikes and a bunch of guys who are playing because there is no one better on the team.

    Draft yield? Dumbest thing I ever heard. What does that even prove/show? That subpar players are running around out on the field because we screwed up all of our free agent signings? That what it proves? Does it mean we have to move our first round corner to safety where he is the definition of average, and will quietly walk like Chung when his deal is up? Or does it mean our two down linebacker Spikes who has brought plenty embarrassment to this franchise since he's been here will quietly walk because 2 down guys aren't hard to find?

    I don't want to hear about injuries - we had 24 million to spend this off season, 28 million last off season and 27 million the year before and more draft selections to play with than anybody. We purposely didn't go after high priced pass rushers, defensive tackles and corners because we cared more about the backups and depth...how's it look now? How's the starters looking? How's Jonathan Fenene doing these days? How's Gregory treating us? Hey why don't we just throw Schiancoe, Ballard and Fells out there to replace Gronk? I mean we spent 5.5 million between the three of them. We still paying Ocho Cinco? Did Haynesworth's money come off the books yet? And if Ridley keeps fumbling we can always bring back Fred Taylor and Joseph Addai...how much did we waste on them? I know Taylor's deal was upwards of 10 million, what was Addai's?

    You could of tore a guy out of Taco Bell, blind folded him and had him throw darts at random names on a wall...he would of done no worse with all the resources we wasted. That is a fact. Then he could of got the best coach and quarterback in the NFL to cover it all up. Hey, maybe the guy would of accidently thrown a dart into Fletcher's name - Bill could then coach him to the point where all he had to do was turn and run right...and cover a runner in the flat...and fail twice yesterday.

    I suppose Jeff Ireland is the best GM ever because he drafted Oliveria Vernon in the 3rd last year? I suppose Phil Emmery is the best GM because he signed Marttelus Bennet to a reasonable contract this summer? What's the yield factor? I suppose Pioli is a dope because he couldn't do squat without a great coach and QB? Right.

     
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    Re: Tavon Wilson

    Not a Gregory fan either. Terrible Tackler. The 4th and 5, he was the one that missed the Tackle, to make it come up short. Totally whiffed.

     
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    Re: Tavon Wilson

    In response to TripleOG's comment:


    gregory was solid earlier in the year and he does sacrifice his body and hit as hard as he can but since getting that thumb injury he cant wrap up correctly. I wouldnt be too down on him.  the bigger question is why cant we go to go to our recent 2nd and 3rd round drafted backup safeties instead of a one handed guy trying to tackle?? I know the answer, do you guys?




    You have to play someone.  Hopefully its your best player on a given day.  Safety is one of the most curious positions on the defense since it is all about instinct and reads and position and yes speed to close...  All that stuff and at the same time you are exposed in the open field.  Run the wrong way, have to turn around, run the other and then react when the ball comes your way....and HIT people.   it's not easy and you know the player is trying but you also know when it is going bad.

    Gregory is that example right now.  Whetherr it's injury, confidence, or combnation thereof,  you have to give the next guy the opportunity.  see what happens ...  see what the chemistry is  with the new combination.

     
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    Re: Tavon Wilson

    TD before the half was a killer. With the right angle, he should have knocked the WO into next week. With no more timeouts left for Miami, would have been difficult to score TD. Wallace should have been covered like a blanket, their Deep guy in a Deep situation. They key word here is situation. Gregory lacks the situational football, for a guy that is a Veteran.
    Bread and Butter for BB, Situational Football.

     
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    Belichick has no clue about drafting CB's , Safeties, or WR's.

     

    Whoever disagrees with that is a fool.

    Pete Carrol managed to build an elite defense.  Somehow he managed to find Sherman in the 5th round.  Belichick just loves to draft midget CB"s or injury prone ones.

     

    This is a 3-13 football team being rescued by an all time great QB. A QB which has so little to work with, it is almost mind boggling how the Patriots offense manages to do well.  He has bottom 5 WR talent out there. 

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    I see.  Pretty much settles it doesn't it?  Can't possibly imagine why one of the most successful men ever to own an NFL franchise would pay BB so much money.  Why he must be a fool as well.

     
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    Sherman may well have been a true 5th rounder....who has since elevated his play with PEDS.........

     
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    Re: Tavon Wilson

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    The dreadful play of Steven Gregory got me thinking of the second round draft bust Tavon Wilson (did we really draft this guy in the second?).

    The trickle down effect of our safety position reads like a comedy...we sign Gregory, then draft Tavon because it took all of ten minutes to realize Gregory wasn't any good, then we sign A. Wilson because T. Wilson shows he's going to be a bust, then we draft Harmon with the thought that A. Wilson might not have much left in the tank (when in reality he had nothing in the tank). Then there was Chung, our other second round safety bust who couldn't cover or tackle anyone without dislocating some part of his body and looked like he needed to eat a sandwich. And of course we moved our first round corner - who couldn't play corner - to safety where we are learning that he cannot tackle and do things a safety can do. So what does this mean? It means we wasted a lot of resources and will have to waste some more. It means that although our corners are holding up ok our safeties stink...again.

    In my opinion the tackling of that bunch today was horrendous and no better than it's ever been. How long is this going to go on? How many more resources are going to be wasted before we find guys that can play safety? By my count we have dumped two 2nds, a first, a third and somewhere around 9 million in free agent money on that spot recently. Which I guess is better than 94 million in free agent contract money on our tightend position (Gronk, Hern, Schiancoe, fells, Ballard)....these things add up...these things kill franchises...most GMs get fired for this stuff, right or wrong.

    Thank god we have Brady and Belichick the coach to get us into the playoffs where some team will punch us in the face...at home...like last year.

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         Remember all the heat I took from the Homers when I blasted BB for using the 48th overall pick in the 2012 draft on Wilson? Speaking of Wilson, remember the heat I took for my criticisms of BB for signing worthless has-been free agent, Adrian Wilson? Geez!! 

     

     

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