The Gronkowski infection is very serious

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    The Gronkowski infection is very serious

    These infections can be difficult to stop. Most likely he's on liquid antibiotics (strongest) to get it under control. Needs a 4th surgery to replace plate again. Will not be ready for camp and likely opening day.

    This is not good for Rob.

     

    http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2013/04/another_rob_gronkowski_setback

     
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    Agree that some of the possibilities are not good but the way I read the piece it is not a foregone conclusion that the infection isn't clearing up.  So we're still in a wait and see situation. 

     
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    Agree that some of the possibilities are not good but the way I read the piece it is not a foregone conclusion that the infection isn't clearing up.  So we're still in a wait and see situation. 

     




    The infection has already compromised the break requiring a 4th surgery so it was out of control. These infections that happen after surgery can be hellacious. In 2003 my Dad developed it after surgery and it killed him before they could stop it. His age worked against him. Now I'm not saying Rob's is that serious but make no mistake about it, it is serious. Many times the damage to the area is never 100%

     

    For Rob's future health I hope it all works out.

     

     
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    I get what you're saying and I do understand the nature of these infections.  What apparently is still in doubt is whether there is more infection concealed by the plate:

    Doctors treating Gronkowski will have to go back into the arm again to remove the plate and install a new one, but if they find more infected tissue, they would be unable to install the plate at that time. That would require another surgical procedure after the tissue around the injury is clear of infection and, sources confirmed, that would not give Gronkowski the required 10 weeks healing time to be ready for the season opener in September.

    I agree with you.  More concerned about the guy's long term health than anything else.

     
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    These infections can be difficult to stop. Most likely he's on liquid antibiotics (strongest) to get it under control. Needs a 4th surgery to replace plate again. Will not be ready for camp and likely opening day.

    This is not good for Rob.

     

    http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2013/04/another_rob_gronkowski_setback



    you guys may or may not remember i pointed out the possibilty of nutritional issues involved with gronks break (bone is living tissue). ditto with infection. body is filled with healthy bacteria in best scenario, preventing nasty things happening like infection and disease. 

    hope he gets it straightened out

     
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    This is a most unwelcomed news, rats!!!

     
     
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    Hope he's okay.  Only underscores the need to get more targets for Brady. 

     
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    Re: The Gronkowski infection is very serious

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    I get what you're saying and I do understand the nature of these infections.  What apparently is still in doubt is whether there is more infection concealed by the plate:

    Doctors treating Gronkowski will have to go back into the arm again to remove the plate and install a new one, but if they find more infected tissue, they would be unable to install the plate at that time. That would require another surgical procedure after the tissue around the injury is clear of infection and, sources confirmed, that would not give Gronkowski the required 10 weeks healing time to be ready for the season opener in September.

    I agree with you.  More concerned about the guy's long term health than anything else.

     




         RESPONSE: Can't help but think that the Patriots' medical staff is at least partly to blame for this failure to fix Gronk's arm. You would think that, being stationed in the Boston area, that the Pats would have one of the finest medical staffs in the NFL. After all...we're not talking about brain surgery, here. How many people have had screws and plates inserted to repair broken bones...and have had to undergo another surgery because an infection set in? This smacks of incompetence. As I have stated in several previous posts, the team's medical/training staff doesn't appear to be first rate, and needs to be over-hauled.  

     

     

     
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    You saying that Dr.Thomas Gill at Mass General is a hack? 

     

    Biography

    After graduating Phi Beta Kappa and Magna Cum Laude in Biology from Harvard College, Dr. Thomas Gill received his MD from Harvard Medical School. He completed his training in orthopaedic surgery at the Harvard Combined Orthopaedic Residency Program. After graduating, Dr. Gill was awarded the Maurice E. Muller Scholarship to study reconstructive surgery in Bern, Switzerland and other European academic centers. He completed his fellowship training in Sports Medicine and Shoulder Surgery at the Steadman-Hawkins Clinic in Vail, Colorado.

    Dr. Gill is an Associate Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at Harvard Medical School. He has served as Chief of the MGH Sports Medicine Service and Director of the Sports Medicine Fellowship Program. Dr. Gill serves as the Medical Director for the New England Patriots, Team Physician for the Boston Bruins and previously was the Medical Director for the Boston Red Sox. He has been named to the "Top 1% of Doctors in America" and consistently is listed among the "Best Doctors in America" and "Best of Boston" physicians.

    Dr. Gill is Director of Research for the Sports Medicine Service, has published over 140 peer-reviewed manuscripts and edited two text books in knee and shoulder surgery. He has received multiple research awards, including the prestigious Excellence in Research Award, Aircast Award, O'Donoghue Award and Hughston Award from the American Orthopedic Society for Sports Medicine. He is a fellow of the American Association of Orthopedic Surgeons, a member of the American Orthopedic Society for Sports Medicine, and a member of the Team Physician Societies of the NFL and the NHL. His work is recognized both nationally and internationally. He has been elected to the Herodicus Society, the honor society for Sports Medicine surgeons, and the American Orthopedic Association.

     

     
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    Can I raise a speculative question without having attacks unleashed against me on this idle but not implausible thought ?

    I googled complications of chronic steroids use , and they include weakened bones (osteoporosis), delayed healing and suppressed immune response leading to more infections.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10326344

    That article is about corticosteriods. I am not a doctor or scientist , so I do not know if steroids used by athletes to enhance performance have the same effects.

     

     
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         RESPONSE: Can't help but think that the Patriots' medical staff is at least partly to blame for this failure to fix Gronk's arm. You would think that, being stationed in the Boston area, that the Pats would have one of the finest medical staffs in the NFL. After all...we're not talking about brain surgery, here. How many people have had screws and plates inserted to repair broken bones...and have had to undergo another surgery because an infection set in? This smacks of incompetence. As I have stated in several previous posts, the team's medical/training staff doesn't appear to be first rate, and needs to be over-hauled.  

     

    I can't help but think drinking and partying to the wee hours is at least partly responsible... far as I know antibiotics and booze don't mix.

     
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         RESPONSE: Can't help but think that the Patriots' medical staff is at least partly to blame for this failure to fix Gronk's arm. You would think that, being stationed in the Boston area, that the Pats would have one of the finest medical staffs in the NFL. After all...we're not talking about brain surgery, here. How many people have had screws and plates inserted to repair broken bones...and have had to undergo another surgery because an infection set in? This smacks of incompetence. As I have stated in several previous posts, the team's medical/training staff doesn't appear to be first rate, and needs to be over-hauled.  

     

     

    I can't help but think drinking and partying to the wee hours is at least partly responsible... far as I know antibiotics and booze don't mix.




    He does seem to lack good judgment.   I hate to think it, but I see "Jeremy Shockey" written all over this guy. 

     

     

     
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    People need to relax.  Remember all the talk about Brady's infected knee?  As far as we know it is still perfectly possible they go in, put in another plate and it's done.  Just because the Herald wants to speculate about a worst case scenario doesn't mean it is going to happen.

     
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    Also infections happen (see Brady's knee) after surgery.  Blaming this on the Pats' medical staff is hilarious.

     
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    Also infections happen (see Brady's knee) after surgery.  Blaming this on the Pats' medical staff is hilarious.



    Yeah, hospital infections are a serious issue now because of the overuse and misuse of antibiotics. Mass General is about as good a hospital as there is in the world (believe me, I know, firsthand--they saved my life) and Dr. Gill is a world-renowned specialist in sports medicine.  I don't think quality of medical care is the issue . . . 

    I do think, however, that Gronk is a bit reckless both on the field and off it.  In some ways, that recklessness is part of the reason he's so good.  But I worry it has its downside too . . . and given his past injury history, I sometimes fear he'll flame out quickly.  

     

     
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    I doubt this is the case, but some antibiotics are ineffective when consuming alcohol...any chance Gronk did this to himself? I want to say the cipro family of anti's are affected by alcohol..very strong anitbiotic. I imagine he received antibiotics in the hospital, but you usually have to continue on a dose for a week after - the guy was out partying after his surgery, correct?

     
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    Love me some Gronk but the guy makes Fred Flintstone look like a Rhodes Scholar...

     
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    You saying that Dr.Thomas Gill at Mass General is a hack? 

     

    Biography

    After graduating Phi Beta Kappa and Magna Cum Laude in Biology from Harvard College, Dr. Thomas Gill received his MD from Harvard Medical School. He completed his training in orthopaedic surgery at the Harvard Combined Orthopaedic Residency Program. After graduating, Dr. Gill was awarded the Maurice E. Muller Scholarship to study reconstructive surgery in Bern, Switzerland and other European academic centers. He completed his fellowship training in Sports Medicine and Shoulder Surgery at the Steadman-Hawkins Clinic in Vail, Colorado.

    Dr. Gill is an Associate Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at Harvard Medical School. He has served as Chief of the MGH Sports Medicine Service and Director of the Sports Medicine Fellowship Program. Dr. Gill serves as the Medical Director for the New England Patriots, Team Physician for the Boston Bruins and previously was the Medical Director for the Boston Red Sox. He has been named to the "Top 1% of Doctors in America" and consistently is listed among the "Best Doctors in America" and "Best of Boston" physicians.

    Dr. Gill is Director of Research for the Sports Medicine Service, has published over 140 peer-reviewed manuscripts and edited two text books in knee and shoulder surgery. He has received multiple research awards, including the prestigious Excellence in Research Award, Aircast Award, O'Donoghue Award and Hughston Award from the American Orthopedic Society for Sports Medicine. He is a fellow of the American Association of Orthopedic Surgeons, a member of the American Orthopedic Society for Sports Medicine, and a member of the Team Physician Societies of the NFL and the NHL. His work is recognized both nationally and internationally. He has been elected to the Herodicus Society, the honor society for Sports Medicine surgeons, and the American Orthopedic Association.

     




        Well...Mr. Wonderful screwed up, this time...didn't he??

     

     
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         RESPONSE: Can't help but think that the Patriots' medical staff is at least partly to blame for this failure to fix Gronk's arm. You would think that, being stationed in the Boston area, that the Pats would have one of the finest medical staffs in the NFL. After all...we're not talking about brain surgery, here. How many people have had screws and plates inserted to repair broken bones...and have had to undergo another surgery because an infection set in? This smacks of incompetence. As I have stated in several previous posts, the team's medical/training staff doesn't appear to be first rate, and needs to be over-hauled.  

    I can't help but think drinking and partying to the wee hours is at least partly responsible... far as I know antibiotics and booze don't mix.



         Gee Wooz...I didn't know that knocking down a few brews could cause an infection. Thanks for your brilliant medical tip.

         LOL!!!!!

     

     
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    You saying that Dr.Thomas Gill at Mass General is a hack? 

     

    Biography

    After graduating Phi Beta Kappa and Magna Cum Laude in Biology from Harvard College, Dr. Thomas Gill received his MD from Harvard Medical School. He completed his training in orthopaedic surgery at the Harvard Combined Orthopaedic Residency Program. After graduating, Dr. Gill was awarded the Maurice E. Muller Scholarship to study reconstructive surgery in Bern, Switzerland and other European academic centers. He completed his fellowship training in Sports Medicine and Shoulder Surgery at the Steadman-Hawkins Clinic in Vail, Colorado.

    Dr. Gill is an Associate Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at Harvard Medical School. He has served as Chief of the MGH Sports Medicine Service and Director of the Sports Medicine Fellowship Program. Dr. Gill serves as the Medical Director for the New England Patriots, Team Physician for the Boston Bruins and previously was the Medical Director for the Boston Red Sox. He has been named to the "Top 1% of Doctors in America" and consistently is listed among the "Best Doctors in America" and "Best of Boston" physicians.

    Dr. Gill is Director of Research for the Sports Medicine Service, has published over 140 peer-reviewed manuscripts and edited two text books in knee and shoulder surgery. He has received multiple research awards, including the prestigious Excellence in Research Award, Aircast Award, O'Donoghue Award and Hughston Award from the American Orthopedic Society for Sports Medicine. He is a fellow of the American Association of Orthopedic Surgeons, a member of the American Orthopedic Society for Sports Medicine, and a member of the Team Physician Societies of the NFL and the NHL. His work is recognized both nationally and internationally. He has been elected to the Herodicus Society, the honor society for Sports Medicine surgeons, and the American Orthopedic Association.

     




        Well...Mr. Wonderful screwed up, this time...didn't he??

     

     



    You a doctor or is there some kind of Mel Kiper of medicine you turn to for your ersatz expertise?

     
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         RESPONSE: Can't help but think that the Patriots' medical staff is at least partly to blame for this failure to fix Gronk's arm. You would think that, being stationed in the Boston area, that the Pats would have one of the finest medical staffs in the NFL. After all...we're not talking about brain surgery, here. How many people have had screws and plates inserted to repair broken bones...and have had to undergo another surgery because an infection set in? This smacks of incompetence. As I have stated in several previous posts, the team's medical/training staff doesn't appear to be first rate, and needs to be over-hauled.  

    I can't help but think drinking and partying to the wee hours is at least partly responsible... far as I know antibiotics and booze don't mix.



         Gee Wooz...I didn't know that knocking down a few brews could cause an infection. Thanks for your brilliant medical tip.

     

         LOL!!!!!

     



    Whether you believe it or not, antibiotics can be intefered with by the consumption of alcohol.

    No idea if Gronk has been drinking recently, but we know for certain that someone here has.

     
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    Any surgery the drs always watch or infection.  The differences between this and Brady's injury was this is a broken bone. Septicemia baby.  Have to be real careful.  He could get bacteria from his shower water staying at all those hotels.  Believe me if you stay at a lot of hotels some can be nasty.  

     
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    The Brady infection and the Gronk infection are 2 different things.

    If I may.

    When my Dad passed in 03 we were stunned at how quickly the infection killed him, or so we thought.

    We initially thought that hospital infections were quite rare in today's age. We were shocked to learn it's the exact opposite, infections are on the rise and are very hard to beat down. The Human being has built up immunity to anti-biotics and infections have become immune to today's anti-biotics.

    Now, here's where Brady's case differs from Gronk. My Dad's Doctors told us that the infection latches on to man made things in the Human body. The Human body's immune system is then powerless to stop it as the man made item can't be attacked by the Human's immune system.

    If that happens...things can go badly very quickly.

    My Dad had a pacemaker...man made...that where the infection settled. Antibiotics could not get at it.

    Gronk has a plate...man made item....that's why the plate has to come out. The infection has settled on that plate and is causing trouble.

    They need to kill the infection before replacing the plate again or it starts all over again. And even then he will need to be watched like a hawk for weeks to make sure the infection does not return.

    Hope you folks don't mind the medical stuff but these infections are too well known and understood in my house.

     

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