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When will this madness stop.
Spend money on proven players with talent!
NFL proven players with NFL talent!
The Pats had signed plenty of those big name " proven players" who subsequently failed miserably. The list includes Ochocinco, Galloway, Holt, Fanane, Haynesworth, Addai, Gallery, Ellis, Shiancoe, Starks, Stubblefield, Fred Taylor, Shawn Springs, Adalius Thomas, and others whose names escaped the mind presently.
all those players you listed were at the end of their career! The never played again after the Pats let them go. There is a difference between proven players and one foot out the door players. C'mon now.
Outside of Brees, who is a special case of FA, name some big name signing that led to a championship team? And I mean big name at the time of the signing, not some guy like Tim Jennings who became big after signing with the team.
Reggie White (Packers)? Charles Woodson (Packers)? Deion Sanders (Cowboys & 49ers)? Rod Woodson (Ravens)? Rodney Harrison (Patriots)? James Farrior (Steelers)? Plaxico Burress (Giants)?
And why doesn't Brees count?
Farrior was a bust in NYJ. Charles Woodson, Rodney Harrison and Rod Woodson were all players that had figured to have been on the decline/had too much of an injury history. TFB12 mentioned he didn't want to sign players with one foot out of the door. Those players either they had an injury history or declining production that led to few suitors. To me, those signings were similar to Chad Ochocinco, Haynesworth, Gallery, etc. Only difference is that the ones you mentioned worked out while the latter did not.
I'll give you Plax and and White. But that's not a large number considering the amount of FA's that move around each year
And the reason why Brees doesn't count it because QB's are a different class of player. In a QB driven league, QBs are the pillars to the franchise. Hardest thing to do in the league is win without a QB. Most FAs aren't pillars to a franchise, theyre just complimentary players (which is why teams are okay with letting them go)
You sign FA's for their future production, not past production. Guys like Chris Clemons, Mke Vrabel, James Farrior, James Harrison, Marshawn Lynch, Brandon Browner, etc. were either busts or just underperforming players who thrived in new systems. Difference between getting guys like these and acquiring these "proven players" is that they didn't cost a large percentage of the salary cap to acquire. I assume from TFB12's posts is that he wants to aquire quality talent that is entering the prime of their careers...which I honestly believe is almost always a bad investment.
Two FA's I am interested in are Osi or Freeney. Two players that are probably on their last contract (one foor out the door) who aren't considered the blue chip of their FA class (Avril), but will probably come at a much cheaper price.
Imagine what Richard Seymour would have done for the defense of this team, had he been around the last few years! We let him go too soon.