Re: The White Elephant In The Room
posted at 4/21/2012 4:11 PM EDT
In Response to Re: The White Elephant In The Room
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: The White Elephant In The Room : sure they can run 3-4 or 4-3 on a dime. that does help them generate a lot of third and longs. unfortunately it's in third down situations that they struggle with (28th or 29th if i am not mistaken). 3rd and long happens to be when they are most predictable. it does not matter that they show a million looks pre snap. post snap it does not matter that they show a million coverages. ultimately the pats rush three guys in those situations. a lot of teams understand that now and all the pre snap smoke and mirrors are treated as noise that they have learned to filter out. they focus on figuring who the three rushers are and focus pass protection on those. that buys the qb enough time to find the open receiver. that's been a pretty effective strategy against the pats, that even some pretty average QBs looked like MVP candidates against them.
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Sure, and that was the case in 2007 and in particular 2008 or 2009, too. I think BB has built the hard part, IMO. The hard part is gathering a bunch of younger core players together at once as your base. The oldest base player here is Wilfork. Not bad. Look at other supposed elite AFC teams on D and then look at NE.
Only Cincy, Houston and a KC have nice young Ds. Their slightly ahead of the Pats, but I am telling you, NE is right there ascending with a legit, young D.
I happen to like guys like Mayo, Spikes, Chung, McCourty, Dowling (brief look we had), Arrington, Moore, etc. They battle. I like Flecther, Ninkovich, etc. I think he has nice pieces as a base. He needs infusion and youth at DE and OLB. Safety as well. Kyle Love is a solid player. Pryor looked very good before his injury.
But, getting a slew of younger players in here to know what to do as a unit, maybe even as far as two full units deep is a big deal. You either buy it via FA or get lucky in FA with smart, system types or you lay the fondation the way BB just did.
For every Wheatley, Butler or Crable miss, he has Arrington, Moore and a Ninkovich. I thought NE's D was old and slow in 2008, but had experience. That meant the old and slow factor outweighed the value of experience.
2010. VERY young and thin. Learning year. BUt, they have the speed and athleticism they were missing.
Mock it all day long, but if BB nails his DE or OLB picks in the draft and maybe nails his Safety pick or moves, he's not as far off as everyone is claiming and that 3rd down D issue won't be as noticeable in upcoming seasons. And who knows, maybe Cunningham is used some in a 3-4 set like he showed some signs of being healthy and adding dept there as well. Trevor Scott is an interesting signing and Fanene is a solid move to boot.
I think some people are just having a hard time being patient with how BB chose to build/re-build. I prefer it this way. I would have been cringing at BB's approach if he pulled a Skins or a Jets approach. It doesn't work.
It's been frustrating at times, but it would have been worse if he shot his wad and ended up making major mistakes in the process. He hasn't. He's overpaid for no one, so even an injured Leigh Bodden thing isn't dehabilitating to the cap.
With regards to 3rd downs, it's been better in recent years. Carter was a great signing, as was Anderson. We missed Carter in the SB, no doubt.
In 2008, JT O'Sullivan looked like an All Pro when our Bruchis, Seymours and Vrabels weren't getting to him in SF that year.