This One is for Harvey-Wallbanger:

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    This One is for Harvey-Wallbanger:

    I like having good disscusions with you Rusty. You don't get snippy with me and we just talk fact and opinon, no bs.

    I saw you were asking Babe who has had better drafts than the Pats from 2010-2012. I'd say that the Bengals and Seahwaks were better to even while the 49ers are close to even or little below.

    Bengals: 2010: Jermaine Gresham (1), Carlos Dunlap (2), Jordan Shipley (3), Geno Atkins (4) all have been good picks

                 2011: AJ Green (1), Andy Dalton (2), Clint Boling (4) all starters now.

                 2012: Dre Kirkpatrick (1), Kevin Zietler (1), Mohamed Sanu (3) all starters too. and Orson Charles (4), and Devon Still (2) are solid contributors. look at the names they have brought in. dunlap, sanu, dalton, atkins all non-1st rounders too.

    Seahawks: 2010: Russel Okung (1), Earl Thomas (1), Golden Tate (2), Kam Chancellor (5) all huge for them now

                    2011: James Carpenter (1), Richard Sherman (5) both huge starters

                    2012: Bruce Irvin (1), Bobby Wagner (2), Russell Wilson (3), Robert Turbin (4), JR Sweezy (7), huge draft. they have huge talent through these three years.

    49ers: 2010: Anthony Davis (1), Mike Iupati (1), Navorro Bowman (3), Anthony Dixon (4), Kyle Williams (6) all play big roles except for dixon

              2011: Aldon Smith (1), Colin Kaepernick (2), Chris Culliver (3), Kendall Hunter (4) all huge for them. but 2012 draft sucked for them so yeah.

     

    I'd say the Bengals were even to our drafts and the Seahawks may actually surpass ours. While the 49ers fall right behind us as well. But, yes BB put together a top 3 draft classes 2010-2012 but there were teams up there with us too!

    jsut looking for a disscussion!

     
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    Re: This One is for Harvey-Wallbanger:

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    Very fair choices. I agree Cincy has nice young talent, which I have mentioned before. I was trying to get those idiots to state their premise, back it and articulate it. They never could do it, they just mouth off over and over and can't even see our D is the best in the AFC right now because of these drafts.

    Okung has been a bust in Seattle.  When was Curry, 2009? Huge top 10 bust as well.

    Keep in mind all 3 of those teams had the general advantage of picking in the top 15 every year (not this year) because they sucked. 

    The NFC West was the worst division for a decade.

    Is there a team like NE, always in the playoffs, in title games or SBs picking 27-32ish every year and have had the drafts we've had?

    Pitt, NYGs, Balt, Houston?  Nope.

     



    That's the money maker right there. People seem to think every year at the draft you can combine all the picks you have accumulated and move up to 5-15 in the draft and select a stud to step in and perform.

    When you consistently draft at that 25-32 range and still seem to stockpile your team with starters, you are doing something right.

     
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    Very fair choices. I agree Cincy has nice young talent, which I have mentioned before. I was trying to get those idiots to state their premise, back it and articulate it. They never could do it, they just mouth off over and over and can't even see our D is the best in the AFC right now because of these drafts.

    Okung has been a bust in Seattle.  When was Curry, 2009? Huge top 10 bust as well.

    Keep in mind all 3 of those teams had the general advantage of picking in the top 15 every year (not this year) because they sucked. 

    The NFC West was the worst division for a decade.

    Is there a team like NE, always in the playoffs, in title games or SBs picking 27-32ish every year and have had the drafts we've had?

    Pitt, NYGs, Balt, Houston?  Nope.

     



    yes the top 15 picks every year helps and i think thats where BB's case gets backed up. McCourty late 1st was a BUST at CB lets be honest, then BB took what McCourty does  well (ball hawk and tackle) and made him a top tier safety. then obviously there is the spikes pick (which is good but Dunlap does look better, but still SPikes has been very good since he stepped in). The amazing thing is, when BB does get a 1st round defender look how good it turns out.. started with Seymour, then Wilfork, Meriweather (bust, but was a solid tone setter IMO), Mayo (great pick), DMC, then the combo of jones and hightower. i guess looking back at history i see why BB goes D 1st round, cuz he rarely misses.

    and yes, i agree. low picks every year but BB finds a way to get a chuck of picks in the 2-4 round range and get system guys! gotta love it! i just wish he picked WRs a little better!

     
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    It's not just the draft - and I would of put cincy up there too - it's the free agency signings. Free agency is a huge part of team building and that is where we have fallen short...that is what hurts.

    Instead of listing teams that drafted better or worse, try to find a team that has signed more busts than this over the last 5 years...Fred Taylor (bust), Shawn Springs (bust), Tully Banta Cain (bust), Jonathan Fenene (super Bust), Ocho Cinco, Stallworth, Joseph Addai, Robert Gallery, Albert Haynesworth, Shaun Ellis (2 years 8 million bust), Leigh Bodden (24 million dollar bust), Jenkins (aka molasses), Adrian Wilson, Schianaco (we actually gave this guy 2 million), Fells (we did the same for him). I could go on...there's is many more.

    Five years later and all we can pull off the scrap heap was a guard - who played for one season and wanted to be paid - he looked great last night by the way...certainly would of been better than what we rolled out there yesterday. A defensive end, who lasted for 8 games. And a situational pass rusher that gave us four productive games. That's not good enough, not even close. You could of taken the fry specialist from Burger King and had him throw darts at random names on a board and he would of done better. That's the honest to God's truth. I love Belichick, but come on...really? Really? Any other GM would of been fired.

     
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    Re: This One is for Harvey-Wallbanger:

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    Very fair choices. I agree Cincy has nice young talent, which I have mentioned before. I was trying to get those idiots to state their premise, back it and articulate it. They never could do it, they just mouth off over and over and can't even see our D is the best in the AFC right now because of these drafts.

    Okung has been a bust in Seattle.  When was Curry, 2009? Huge top 10 bust as well.

    Keep in mind all 3 of those teams had the general advantage of picking in the top 15 every year (not this year) because they sucked. 

    The NFC West was the worst division for a decade.

    Is there a team like NE, always in the playoffs, in title games or SBs picking 27-32ish every year and have had the drafts we've had?

    Pitt, NYGs, Balt, Houston?  Nope.

     

     

     



    yes the top 15 picks every year helps and i think thats where BB's case gets backed up. McCourty late 1st was a BUST at CB lets be honest, then BB took what McCourty does  well (ball hawk and tackle) and made him a top tier safety. then obviously there is the spikes pick (which is good but Dunlap does look better, but still SPikes has been very good since he stepped in). The amazing thing is, when BB does get a 1st round defender look how good it turns out.. started with Seymour, then Wilfork, Meriweather (bust, but was a solid tone setter IMO), Mayo (great pick), DMC, then the combo of jones and hightower. i guess looking back at history i see why BB goes D 1st round, cuz he rarely misses.

     

     

    and yes, i agree. low picks every year but BB finds a way to get a chuck of picks in the 2-4 round range and get system guys! gotta love it! i just wish he picked WRs a little better!

     

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    McCourty was not a bust at CB whatsoever. He was ALL PRO AS A ROOKIE at CB. Has there even been an All Pro rookie LCB before? I mean, jesus, dude.  At least get those facts straight.

     

    In 2011, with the Meriweather and Sanders gone, Sergio Brown not working out, BB turned to his highly intelligent McCourty to settle the position down, which he did. Great postseason from McCourty, too, once his shoulder got right. Ronnie Lott also moved to Safety when Bill Walsh to settle his back end in 1984. SF won the SB.

    BB then moved him back last year once Talib arrived.

    You sound like a troll.

    Your comments will attract trolls, too. Kyle Wilson is a bust. He's a nickel back who was chosen in Rd 1. THAT is a bust.. They had to use a 2nd rder on Cromarite to rent him at 8 million in fear of Wilson being overwhelmed.

     

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    no way, McCoruty was amazing at corner for one season. 2011 he dropped off some and 2012 he was getting burned alot, but then again that may correlate to having no pass rush those days. my bad, i misspoke. i just think McCourty is much better at safety and i think it fits his skills alot more!

     
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    Re: This One is for Harvey-Wallbanger:

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    A top 5 O line every year means the GM should be fired?  Brian Waters missing his family and wanting a 20 minute commute home to work to see them is on BB now?

    Brian Waters has a ring from SB 46 if a certain #12 doesn't meltdown with his buddy Welkie.

    I was the one who raved about the Waters acquisition and explained they drafted Asomoa and were moving on. Whamo, in comes Waters and is our best OL with Matt Light.

    His FA moves in 2011 with Waters, Anderson and Carter off that lockout was utter genius.

    LLoyd was a good sign last year along with that Talib fleecing of Mark Doeminik down in TB.  Crumpler a really good one to help our run game in 2010. Branch in 2010, dealing Moss and Maroney for picks. Those were fleece jobs.

    THis year, Kelly and acquiring Blount from TB for a 7th and an Olympian could also be seen as a fleecing.

    Why does BB have to hit homeruns in every area? Why can't it be trades or developing UDFAs which might be better fits?

    If BB doesn't hit homeruns every offseason with All World drafts, FA signings and trades, you claim it's worth of a firing.

    You're mentally ill. There is no way you should be teaching children.




    Weak, very very weak. This is all you got after five years of free agent signings? Crumpler played here for one year before being cut - all that I'll remember him for is his drop in the endzone vs the jets in that playoff game...hit him right in the hands.

    This is not about hitting homeruns, it's about NOT having to draft 13 corners and safeties...signing another ten...before you have to trade for one that someone else drafted that can play. Butler, Wheatly, Merriweather, Chung, Bodden, Springs, O'Neil, Tavon Wilson...that happened, it really did...just because you're delusional doesn't mean it didn't.

    Stock some more Tylenol.

     
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