This year we have a 13-3 (or better) WILDCARD team...

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    This year we have a 13-3 (or better) WILDCARD team...

    With KC 9-0 and Denver 8-1, I dont see either team finishing worse than 13-3...Kind of sad that they will literally have to potentially play all their playoff games on the road , while an 11-5 or 12-4 team gets a bye...

     
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    With KC 9-0 and Denver 8-1, I dont see either team finishing worse than 13-3...Kind of sad that they will literally have to potentially play all their playoff games on the road , while an 11-5 or 12-4 team gets a bye...

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    yep...  and the year Pats went 11-5 and didn't get in ,I think  Arizona wnt to the Super bowl with an 9-7  reg season record...  aftre losing to the Pats 47-7 in week 16.  Think about that for a minute.

    Its a crappy system half the time.  Cant wait to hear all the whining if wild card Gomer has to come to foxboro with a better record....  waaaaa...

     
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    It's no worse than the Pats sitting home at 11-5 in 2008 while the Chargers (8-8) made the playoffs.

     
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    It has been suggested that after the season finishes, the division winners and all the wild card teams are re-seeded based on record and not whether or not they won a division.  Therefore, the "carrot" for a team is to attain the best record to get a bye/home field advantage not just get in by winning a weak division.  This truly rewards a team for excellence throughout the season and not just for winning their division.

    Will we ever see it?  Doubt it. 

     
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    It has been suggested that after the season finishes, the division winners and all the wild card teams are re-seeded based on record and not whether or not they won a division.  Therefore, the "carrot" for a team is to attain the best record to get a bye/home field advantage not just get in by winning a weak division.  This truly rewards a team for excellent throughout the season and not just for winning their division.

    Will we ever see it?  Doubt it. 

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    Worst was the year 7-9 Seattle was division champion...we may see same this year in NFC east

     
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    Would make too much sense to combine 2 divisions from each conference so eight teams each, then take top 8 teams for a playoff format of high seed plays low....They did change playoff formats twice - used to be no homefield advantage and playoff games rotated through the divisions - thats why 14-0 Fins played AFC Champ game AT Steelers, and Packers "Ice Bowl" was played in Green Bay even though Dallas that year had better record. Other change was the highest seed always played on Sunday in playoffs when lower seeds played the Saturday game - the high seeded team got the extra days rest, vrs now where Ratings determine when a team plays....

     
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    I like the system for the same reason it will never be changed IMO.  It keeps more teams in the hunt.  The system makes it so weak division might have 2 or 3 teams with .500 records still having meaningful games close to the end of the season.  That means better ratings more $$ thats why it wont change.  I like because there's  more games w meaning after pats have already guaranteed their positionl

     
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    The next 3 weeks will have a big impact.  Denver plays KC twice and Pats once.

    We might just see KC regress and be a wild card with no gripes.

    I'm still holding out hope for a Pat's number one seed.  Can the Pat's beat Denver at home?

    Oh!  I forgot, beat Carolina first.

     
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    With KC 9-0 and Denver 8-1, I dont see either team finishing worse than 13-3...Kind of sad that they will literally have to potentially play all their playoff games on the road , while an 11-5 or 12-4 team gets a bye...

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    yep...  and the year Pats went 11-5 and didn't get in ,I think  Arizona wnt to the Super bowl with an 9-7  reg season record...  aftre losing to the Pats 47-7 in week 16.  Think about that for a minute.

    Its a crappy system half the time.  Cant wait to hear all the whining if wild card Gomer has to come to foxboro with a better record....  waaaaa...

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    Nah, it would be KC. Denver is going to win that division.

     
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    This would mean the Jests will be watching the playoffs from home or from the hotels where they will be spending their vacations.

     
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    This would mean the Jests will be watching the playoffs from home or from the hotels where they will be spending their vacations.

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    Who do you have as the 2 wild cards?

     
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    Who do you have as the 2 wild cards?

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    KC (if Manning is hurt and cannot play, then Denver) and Baltimore.

     
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    I'll go with that:)

     
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    Would make too much sense to combine 2 divisions from each conference so eight teams each, then take top 8 teams for a playoff format of high seed plays low....They did change playoff formats twice - used to be no homefield advantage and playoff games rotated through the divisions - thats why 14-0 Fins played AFC Champ game AT Steelers, and Packers "Ice Bowl" was played in Green Bay even though Dallas that year had better record. Other change was the highest seed always played on Sunday in playoffs when lower seeds played the Saturday game - the high seeded team got the extra days rest, vrs now where Ratings determine when a team plays....

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    They could add 2 more wild cards right now ( 4 div. winners,4 wildcards)  and eliminate the bye weeks...  why NOt...?  All teams required to win 3 games to get to SB game.  Seems like a better system and  you get 2 more playoff games.   perfect.

     


    I was brainstorming some other alternatives yesterday:

     

    3 divisions each conference....   each with 6 teams.  total 36 teams.  Means you need 4 more teams.  i.e.  LA, Vegas, Toronto,  Montreal.   or other cities that pony up.  NOT London... but expansion is inevitable.

    each team plays 5 division games (once against each other team.)  This is better since teams currently fatten up on crappy division opponents every year.  (i.e. buffalo, jax, oakland, etc.)

    each team plays rotating interconference division.  6 games.  This means more interconference games and variety of competition.

    each team plays the corresponding finisher from each other division.  5 games.  The "corresponding finisher" games are the schedule adjustment to make the games more even so it makes sense to increase this part of the schedule  from 2 games currently to 5 games.

    3 division winners, 5 wild cards each conference.  All division winners play at home against a wildcard.  Division winners carry more weight since it would be tougher with 6 team divisions.  No byes.  All teams must win 3 games to get to Super bowl.   Simple, and its more fair.

    Alternative...  Contraction to 30 teams..  bye Jax,  bubye TB.

    3 divisions of 5 teams , each conference,  total of 30 teams. 


    Each team plays 4 division games.  once each division opponent.     4 games.

    Each team plays rotating division in-conference and interconference.    10 games

    Each team plays corresponding finisher in other division inconference    1 game

    Each team plays corresponding finisher interconference division (rotated)   1 game.

    or option ... play all other divisions corresponding finishers  (4 games)

    total 16 games.

    or option... (18 games) and eliminate 1or 2  preseason games.

     

    3 division winners,  5 wild cards.   no bye weeks in playoffs.   All teams need 3 wins to get to SB  game.

     

    Thooughts...?

     

     

     
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    coolade... some interesting ideas.  If there is one thing I like about it, the reduction of the emphasis in playing 2 games each within your division.  IMHO, you want to see the "best" teams make it to the playoffs and not some team who had the benefit of playing in a crappy division. ( IE - Seattle of a couple years ago )  How many times have we seen the fact the Pats have been playing in the AFC East thrown in our faces as a reason the Pats are dominant, yet, they consistently do well outside of the division, too?

    Now, you could have your ideas become reality now.  Eliminate the current 4 divisions in each conference and go with two 8 teams divisions, East and West.  That means 7 games within your division with the remaining 9 games played between the other conference division and outside your conference.  8 of those games can be against the opposing division teams with a wild card game against the other conference.  This would create a "true" conference rivalry which has been lacking since the merger of the AFL and the NFL.  Imagine!

     
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    coolade... some interesting ideas.  If there is one thing I like about it, the reduction of the emphasis in playing 2 games each within your division.  IMHO, you want to see the "best" teams make it to the playoffs and not some team who had the benefit of playing in a crappy division. ( IE - Seattle of a couple years ago )  How many times have we seen the fact the Pats have been playing in the AFC East thrown in our faces as a reason the Pats are dominant, yet, they consistently do well outside of the division, too?

    Now, you could have your ideas become reality now.  Eliminate the current 4 divisions in each conference and go with two 8 teams divisions, East and West.  That means 7 games within your division with the remaining 9 games played between the other conference division and outside your conference.  8 of those games can be against the opposing division teams with a wild card game against the other conference.  This would create a "true" conference rivalry which has been lacking since the merger of the AFL and the NFL.  Imagine!

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    Hard to pick the perfect System ...  8 teams in a division seems like a lot...    Why not start with the easiest changes...   like add 2 more wildcard teams to elimminate the playoff bye week.  Better since it evens the playing Field and gives fans 2 more playoff games.

    Second , change schedule formula.  Take out double division games.  so... that would eliminate 3 games .  Replace with corresponding finish games vs. opposite conference.  This would be much better (and tougher ) for best teams , but the variety would be great...!

    For instance this year, instead of Jets,Bils,Miami a second time,  Patriots would play Redskins Packers and 49ers....  (corresponding division winners from nfc last year).   It would involve more travel distance for teams but so what .  Better for fans since the games are better.

     
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    Intersting you bring up 3 cities in Canada - that will NEVER happen. Canadian govt wont allow it because that would KILL the CFL.....

     
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    Intersting you bring up 3 cities in Canada - that will NEVER happen. Canadian govt wont allow it because that would KILL the CFL.....

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    yeah ,  true but stranger things have happened.  As far as what would be more probable or realistic... 

    Why not start with the easiest changes...   like add 2 more wildcard teams to elimminate the playoff bye week.  Better since it evens the playing Field and gives fans 2 more playoff games.

    Second , change schedule formula.  Take out double division games.  so... that would eliminate 3 games .  Replace with corresponding finish games vs. opposite conference.  This would be much better (and tougher ) for best teams , but the variety would be great...!

    For instance this year, instead of Jets,Bils,Miami a second time,  Patriots would play Redskins Packers and 49ers....  (corresponding division winners from nfc last year).   It would involve more travel distance for teams but so what .  Better for fans since the games are better.

     
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    Smaller divisions may also mean stronger regional ties and rivalries.

     
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    coolade... some interesting ideas.  If there is one thing I like about it, the reduction of the emphasis in playing 2 games each within your division.  IMHO, you want to see the "best" teams make it to the playoffs and not some team who had the benefit of playing in a crappy division. ( IE - Seattle of a couple years ago )  How many times have we seen the fact the Pats have been playing in the AFC East thrown in our faces as a reason the Pats are dominant, yet, they consistently do well outside of the division, too?

    Now, you could have your ideas become reality now.  Eliminate the current 4 divisions in each conference and go with two 8 teams divisions, East and West.  That means 7 games within your division with the remaining 9 games played between the other conference division and outside your conference.  8 of those games can be against the opposing division teams with a wild card game against the other conference.  This would create a "true" conference rivalry which has been lacking since the merger of the AFL and the NFL.  Imagine!

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    Hard to pick the perfect System ...  8 teams in a division seems like a lot...    Why not start with the easiest changes...   like add 2 more wildcard teams to elimminate the playoff bye week.  Better since it evens the playing Field and gives fans 2 more playoff games.

    Second , change schedule formula.  Take out double division games.  so... that would eliminate 3 games .  Replace with corresponding finish games vs. opposite conference.  This would be much better (and tougher ) for best teams , but the variety would be great...!

    For instance this year, instead of Jets,Bils,Miami a second time,  Patriots would play Redskins Packers and 49ers....  (corresponding division winners from nfc last year).   It would involve more travel distance for teams but so what .  Better for fans since the games are better.

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    Another thought is that the whole Idea of PARITY would be enhanced since more teams would have a shot to rise.  Consider Cleveland.  With 6 games against Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and now Cincinati...  You want to be a fan of that losing proposition year after year after year...?  

    With the enhanced schedule I outlined above, Cleveland gets a break so instead of balt,Pitt,Cinci a second time, they get Eagles, Buccs, Cards... for example.

    Still not guaranteed wins , but you get the variety vs. teams that are coming from the same losing perspective as opposed to the constant divisional beatdowns.  Again better for the fans.

     
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    The flip side is that you add 3 tougher games to the division winners' schedule.  Of course the stronger teams would object to this change.  It would be an interesting discussion for the league... 

    Right now the divisions are settled mainly by the overemphasis on the head-to-head games.  This just makes for more repetitive boring games.  You would still have one head to head game with rotating home and away.  This would add more emphasis and weight to the single head to head matchup.  With 2 games the games get watered down and boring. 

    Oh look ...  Denver and KC play TWICE in 3 weeks...?  What is that, a mini-series?   Bengals-Browns...  / Redskins -Eagles  ...  boring.

    Need some more outside the box thinking down at the league offices.

     
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    In the next 3 weeks. I see KC going 2-1 and Denver going to 1-2. That means Denver would have to win out to end up with the WC at 13-3. I don't see it happening. If Denver wants to win the division they would need to take both from KC meaning KC could only lose one game the rest of the way. More realistic.

     
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    With KC 9-0 and Denver 8-1, I dont see either team finishing worse than 13-3...Kind of sad that they will literally have to potentially play all their playoff games on the road , while an 11-5 or 12-4 team gets a bye...

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    thta's how the ball bounces. If Pouting gets hurt worse tonight on next week and can't finish the year, the donkos are done anyways

     
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    I thought BAL will be one of the two wild card teams in the AFC, but not as sure anymore.

     
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    ANd what about the Chargers struggling against the Dolphins. Like every year, all the media was saying how good the Chargers were going to be

     

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