Re: Thoughts on Pats Season Record:
posted at 8/18/2010 11:58 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Thoughts on Pats Season Record:
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Thoughts on Pats Season Record: : May I ask what your education level is? There is no "easy" game in the NFL. The game @ Det and @ Chicago will be tough. Watch. They SHOULD win those, but you can't sleep on the road. Did you watch the Indy game last year when NE's D dominated Indy to the point they were well contained for 55 minutes until flags came out and some late questionable calls got the Colts back into it? NE had a 13 point lead until the Butler call and this isn't even counting Maroney's fumble on the goal line. So, really, it was a 20 point lead that wasn't. Why would a 1 point loss on the road with BB rebuilding his D be considered a bad sign? This is a bad sign? Sorry to be rude, but when you continue to play borderline troll with negative nelly/sky is falling/worst case scenario logic, ignoring BB's approach in the draft, resiging key free agents, a few quiet fere agent moves, etc, and having what appears to be another strong draft, I question what level of education you have. You either some deductive logic issues or are a bitter individual struggling to think clearly as a Pats fan. You appear to need to see the name on the jersey to feel comfortable with how a team will play, v.s. understanding concepts of the game. I am seeing this more and more with what appears to be a slew of bandwagon Pats fans who don't know the game. Do you have a clue how mediocre the pass rush was in 2008 with Adalius Thomas, Seymour and Vrabel? Guess what? It wasn't better in 2009, but it wasn't worse than 2008's poor rush. Both were bad and 3 time SB winners Seymour and Vrabel were on that team. So was Ty Warren. Just how good were they when JT O'Sullivan sat back and threw easily into zone coverage like Chad Henne did last year? Yeah. That's what I thought. When you actually look at facts, they aren't good for irrational people or trolls. Shall I continue? Do you know what the word continuity means? Do you think it's a good thing to have a brand new secondary every year? I don't. I didn't enjoy 2008's secondary or 2009's, overall. 2009's was improved and showed signs of large upside. Guess what? It's even more experienced now, far deeper and their 1st rd pick is also added to the mix. As is a guy named Arrington who happens to be a STs Ace. This is the most stable secondary BB has had since 2007 and this is one is faster, deeper and more athletic than that one. You are asking me why I think the pass rush will be better, and I know for a fact the effort we get out of WHOMEVER plays for Adalius's spot, will be BETTER on that aspect alone. I know this, because it will not be the same or worse. UPGRADE. Combine that upgrade with stability and continuity allowing BB to scheme, Pees being removed from his role (another major upgrade), and those are two more concepts that tilt towards an improvement. For the last time: The Patriots OFFENSE lost a MINIMUM of 3 games last year, upwards of FIVE GAMES. The OFFENSE. Not the defense. The defense expected to have bumps last year, but not as much as we saw compared to last year here in 2010. You expect as many bumps because why?? NE is deeper at OLB than any team in this division: TBC outperformed Calvin Pace and any Miami OLB in 2009. FACT Burgess performed at a higher rate within the snap rate v.s. Bryan Thomas of the Jets. FACT NE drafted Jermaine Cunniningham in the 2nd rd . NE has a second year system player in Rob Ninkovich who produced when he played. TBC outperformed Terrell Suggs in Baltimore last year. Stop acting like this is so far down the line from other teams who run a 3-4 because it isn't. Basically two teams have stud OLBs who run a 3-4 and this is Dallas and Pitt. That's it. GB has Matthews and Hawk, but are paper thin beyond that. Look around the league. You are blind as a bat or need to have the familiar names on the jersey to make yourself feel good. Vegas has NE at 12-1, if I am not mistaken. 12-1 to win the SB. The Jest are a mysterious 10-1. Vegas wants your money. On the D Line, Ty Warren is a loss beacuse it affects depth, yes. However, I thought Jarvis Green showed why he isn't a 3-4 DE. He failed. He's gone. I'll take my chances with a driven Mike Wright in that role and see what happens. Maybe this is the year Mike Wright channels his knowledge and plays somewhat close to what Ty Warren has done here? Is that really out of the realm of possibility? I don't think so. Since when is Ty Warren this superstar, anyway? So far, Gerard Warren has shown more burst, pocket push and solid edge setting run D in one preseason game than an injured Ty Warren showed me ALL YEAR limping around and getting pasted off the edge. I admire him playing through his issues, but it hurt the team. In no way am I convinced the QUALITY is lower. Sorry, not buying it. Many players on this D are AT LEAST 1 year in this system. Some are 2+ years in, including the players down the middle with Pro Bowlers/PB Caliber, like Wilfork, Mayo and Merriweather. Give me a strong middle any day of the week. They are LOADED at MLB. Loaded. You act like they have no foundation and no signs towards a progression and you are completely incorrect in that assessement. NE lost like 5 games last year by 7 points or less. How much did this "stellar" offense help a young D learning on the fly? Not much. I fully expect the offense to not comopletely botch scoring opportunities like they did last year. I also fully expect a TOP NOTCH Special Teams group. Did you see Aiken, Arrington and Chung blocking for McCourty twice last week as he ran back two 50+ yard runs? A lot better than Slater running 10 yards into a pile, wasn't it? Yeah. You have a serious problem with being rational on this topic. If the weakest part of this team is the D, the strongest parts (offense and STs) and those improvements will HELP a young D, not hurt it.
Posted by russgriswold[/QUOTE]
I find it humorous you point out how well the defense played in a game they lost giving up 35 points.
Lets just say we agree to disagree. I see things from last year, from this years practice and from the first preseason game this year, that you do not see, and you see things that I do not see.
I laugh at the troll comments, while I have been a season ticket holder for the longest of times.
I am not hoping that I am correct, just saying it as I am seeing it over the past 18 months of watching the Pats.
I appreciate your passion, I just dont understand the prognasticators predicting 11-14 wins because Brady is on the team and BB coaches the team.
I think the one thing we can agree on is how experienced the teams of 01-07 were, yet compared to 09 and 10 the roster turn over has been sensational, and needed.
My feeling is that this roster turn over will take longer to come together than this year, and to compare this years players and this years very difficult schedule to last years players and moderately easy schedule is short sighted.
No need to question my education level, my profession or my devotion and passion to the Pats. I have been watching them for many, many years, and have the lucky opportunity that my job entails that I am at as many practices as possible.
Repeat, I hope I am wrong. Unfortunately I do not think that I am.