Tim Tebow the TE / H-Back

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    Tim Tebow the TE / H-Back

    I figured I would start *another* board on Tim Tebow because I know how much agreement and love the previous boards inspired.

    While I would be the first to agree that Tebow is not ready to be an NFL quarterback, I think the guy has every intangible going for him and I think that this alone gives him value.  You can't teach cajones, and his career of winning big games and finding ways to come through when it matters shouldn't be discounted.

    I think he would be a great acquisition if he were willing to switch positions to H-Back at least temporarily.  He could lead block, run the ball, and catch it.  With Edelman on the field, the Patriots would feature 2 former QBs in addition to Brady, a fact that other teams would have to respect.  

    Motion could force teams to respect the potential for an option play in addition to the shift in run strength and passing strength.  I think there are a lot of creative things the Pats could do with Brady, Tebow, and Edelman on the field at the same time (they could shift to WildCat without changing personnel, then motion Brady back under center like the Wild Horses, then still run option or lead toss or reverse or a traditional pass or run play).

    Thoughts?
     
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    i went with "Never - the instant Tebow signs with the Patriots, Kraft, Brady, and Belichick will all die and the franchise will be relocated immediately"
    only because i think peter weir is greatest active filmmaker and because i love green card and think andie macdowell was hot in the early 1990's and i donated lots of money to the hillary clinton campaign and think obama is a douch bag. and also because my cat delia was declawed a couple weeks ago and because of complications from the declawing she is still at the vets and i feel heartbroken about it and i hope delia will be back soon- i've knitted a tiny cat tom brady jersey for her with 4 arm holes.
     
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    "i went with "Never - the instant Tebow signs with the Patriots, Kraft, Brady, and Belichick will all die and the franchise will be relocated immediately"
    only because i think peter weir is greatest active filmmaker and because i love green card and think andie macdowell was hot in the early 1990's and i donated lots of money to the hillary clinton campaign and think obama is a douch bag. and also because my cat delia was declawed a couple weeks ago and because of complications from the declawing she is still at the vets and i feel heartbroken about it and i hope delia will be back soon- i've knitted a tiny cat tom brady jersey for her with 4 arm holes
    ."

    Great Post!  And not simply because I threw my vote into the last choice as well considering that one best describes the contempt I have for this Tebow following (although I DO wish that there was a little more drastic choice, something about Pats Fans turning to suicide bombers IF we draft Tebow)...BUT it's a great post because, YOU sirpinochle, are gettin' the hang of what it takes to be an excellent poster on here (imo at least): Nonsensicle run-on sentences largely offtopic....I LOVE it!  And man, my prayers go out to your babe (and I pray we don't draft Tebow)...
     
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    great college qb and thats it.  Not fast 4.7 40 yard dash, not shifty etc.  Excels at one thing.  His bible studies.  move to TE and you have to teach him to catch, block and run patterns.  stays at qb and its weak arm,inaccurate qb, poor decision maker and no experience in a pro offense.  Wheres the upside.  This isn't baseball where a guy goes to the minors for a few years to develop, that was suppose to happen in college.  He could spell the end of florida football as far as nfl type qb recruits wanting to go there.
     
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    My opinion is that BB is just playing with people, maybe trying to get Al Davis all the more confused (wouldnt take much) or making Buffalo go after Tewbow early.  I have learned that whatever he is doing or looking at, he doesnt usually go after. I doubt he will change his ways for just this draft.
     
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    Can he play outside linebacker?  
     
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    WhatTH gives 2 people thus far the right to say Tim Tebow is a 2nd rder, and 1 of the 64 most valuable players?  I just don't feel that people should be allowed to vote in any democratic system when their opinions differ from my own...  That's the problem with this society, some people like Fruity Pebbles as their favorite breakfast cereal.  Which is totally absurd after you take 1 single bite of Lucky Charms, and weigh it's superior taste in unique marshmallowey-goodness in each and every bite against the fact that Fru!ty Pebbles fails to keep its crisp and crackle crunchy integrity for any length of time whatsoever, when placed in milk.  Which brings me back to Tebow, the guy's a fr^itcake with pebbles for brains, and he'd never be a lucky charm for the NE franchise...oh-and people shouldn't be able to express their ideas, when they minorly differentiate from the correct ideas, mine.
     
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    Nice post, good thoughts.  However, I don't think it's that easy.  There are bigger, faster, more experienced options if you were to draft an H-back.  Way to much emphasis is being placed on his "intangibles".  The team needs to hit on those first 4 picks this year.  I'd pass. 
     
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    WhatTH gives 2 people thus far the right to say Tim Tebow is a 2nd rder, and 1 of the 64 most valuable players?  I just don't feel that people should be allowed to vote in any democratic system when their opinions differ from my own...  That's the problem with this society, some people like Fruity Pebbles as their favorite breakfast cereal.  Which is totally absurd after you take 1 single bite of Lucky Charms, and weigh it's superior taste in unique marshmallowey-goodness in each and every bite against the fact that Fru!ty Pebbles fails to keep its crisp and crackle crunchy integrity for any length of time whatsoever, when placed in milk.  Which brings me back to Tebow, the guy's a fr^itcake with pebbles for brains, and he'd never be a lucky charm for the NE franchise...oh-and people shouldn't be able to express their ideas, when they minorly differentiate from the correct ideas, mine.
    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium


    Everybody knows Captain Crunch is a  superior cereal.
     
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    I have some questions:
    Why do you think others would have to respect the Patriots w/ Tebow, Edelman, and Brady on the field at the same time?

    I did not see Tebow play. If he's being asked to do OTHER things apart from being a QB:
    1) Can he catch; if converted to a TE? At 6'3", 240 lbs. (for comparison's sake, Crumpler is 6'2", 260ish)?
    2) Can he block?
    3) Can he run routes, AND create separation?

    If he CAN'T do any of the above at a "pro" level.....why wouldn't we get a TE who's been playing the position?

    If he's used as a runner....let's say a half back or full back...can he take the punishment at this level? Can he actually break tackles and out run defenders in the open field, can he turn the corner?

    Just curious...
     
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    Where do people get the idea that Tebow can catch a ball? And at 4.70, he's about the same speed as most NFL LBs, and every New England LB is faster (Each LB on the Pats roster has a sub-4.65 40 yard score.


    People, it's a waste of a pick. He isn't even a great athlete. 

    Tebow is so overrated, look at these combine stats. One is Tebows, and the other was an undrafted rookie. The UR had a better combine, so why is Tebow worthy of a second round pick?


    Pre-draft measureables
    HtWt40-yard dash10-yd split20-yd split20-ss3-coneVertBroadBPWonderlic
    6′2¾″236 lb4.711.552.664.176.6638½ in.9′7″DNA rep22
    [citation needed]


    Pre-draft measureables
    HtWt40-yard dash10-yd split20-yd split20 ss3-coneVertBroadBPWonderlic
    6-1⅝ *245 lb *4.47 *1.46 *2.53 *4.33 **7.07 *40 in. **10'06" **16 **22 *


    The UR is none other than Gary Guyton, LB, New England Patriots.

     
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    Agree with the Tebow. He may have big cojones, but I could list 1000000 other college players who had cojones but didn't make it. It takes talent more than anything else, and Tebow just doesn't have it. He doesn't throw the ball well, and he's a qb. He's not fast or shifty. He's never caught a ball or blocked anyone before. 

    His best position is a lumbering fullback, and would hope they wouldn't spend a 2nd round pick on a fullback of any type. 
     
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    And there absolutely are more than 200 more better prospects than Tebow. There are guys like Vollmer and Edelmen who aren't on our radar but are on the Pat's radar. We should pick those guys and not Tebow with lower picks.
     
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    Maybe Guyton and Tebow can do double-duty, this way we could afford to pick him while targeting multiple of our mass number of positional needs, huh
         Guyton, even though he showed he isn't very good at taking on a blocker coming at him at full speed just might be better situated as a 3-4 DE, simply playing gap-control between a couple of slow O-Lineman that he'll simply run circles around with his excellent speed, and on Offense Guyton can use that speed, decent jumping ability, and just good-enough strength, To be NE's #2 possession Wide Receiver...which'll be further enhanced by his knowledge by playing Defense when looking for soft spots in zone coverage.
         Tebow can then be NE's #1 Runningback on Offense, with his almost 6'3 size and 236lb weight, He's precisely the bigger between-the-tackles banger NE excels in using...more of a fullback...he'll be like the second coming of Adrian Peterson.  And on Defense, with Tebow's knowledge of QB traits and tendencies, He'd occupy 1 of the 2 Outside Linebacker positions NE needs on the Weakside as our Pass-Rushing Specialist?

    See THEN, IF Belichick DID Draft Tebow, and with Tebow and Guyton playing #1 RB, #2 WR on Offense and WOLB and 3-4 DE on Defense, NE could simply be able to target a moderate 2nd Tight End, a Strongside Inside Linebacker, a Cornerback, and another Strongside OLB with the rest of those 5 Picks in the first 4 Rounds in the Draft (4 picks in 4 Rds after selecting Tebow)...  See, then NE can take a couple flyers with their remaining Late Round selections on at least 2 O-Lineman who have slipped down the boards AND the Punter NE needs too...

    ~Overall, it just makes sense...
     
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    Laz, I think your selling Tebow's versatility short. Belichick himself said Tebow would play NT is asked. Well, spin that position around and he can also play center! Imagine, Tebow could snap to Brady. The leadership in that exchange would win at least the next 4 superbowls. By that time Tebow will be able to take the reins and win at least 6 more superbowls (if there's no labor issues, of course). 


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    Maybe Guyton and Tebow can do double-duty, this way we could afford to pick him while targeting multiple of our mass number of positional needs, huh ?       Guyton, even though he showed he isn't very good at taking on a blocker coming at him at full speed just might be better situated as a 3-4 DE, simply playing gap-control between a couple of slow O-Lineman that he'll simply run circles around with his excellent speed, and on Offense Guyton can use that speed, decent jumping ability, and just good-enough strength, To be NE's #2 possession Wide Receiver...which'll be further enhanced by his knowledge by playing Defense when looking for soft spots in zone coverage.      Tebow can then be NE's #1 Runningback on Offense, with his almost 6'3 size and 236lb weight, He's precisely the bigger between-the-tackles banger NE excels in using...more of a fullback...he'll be like the second coming of Adrian Peterson.  And on Defense, with Tebow's knowledge of QB traits and tendencies, He'd occupy 1 of the 2 Outside Linebacker positions NE needs on the Weakside as our Pass-Rushing Specialist? See THEN , IF Belichick DID Draft Tebow, and with Tebow and Guyton playing #1 RB , #2 WR on Offense and WOLB and 3-4 DE on Defense , NE  could simply be able to target a moderate 2nd Tight End , a Strongside Inside Linebacker , a Cornerback , and another Strongside OLB with the rest of those 5 Picks in the first 4 Rounds in the Draft (4 picks in 4 Rds after selecting Tebow) ...  See, then NE can take a couple flyers with their remaining Late Round selections on at least 2 O-Lineman who have slipped down the boards AND the Punter NE needs too ... ~ Overall, it just makes sense...
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    Laz, I think your selling Tebow's versatility short. Belichick himself said Tebow would play NT is asked. Well, spin that position around and he can also play center! Imagine, Tebow could snap to Brady. The leadership in that exchange would win at least the next 4 superbowls. By that time Tebow will be able to take the reins and win at least 6 more superbowls (if there's no labor issues, of course).  In Response to Re: Tim Tebow the TE / H-Back :
    Posted by Rockdog1293000


    Just because he's willing to do "anything" doesn't mean he has the ability to do it. Tebow play nose tackle? For real? I just can't see that...
     
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    Re: Tim Tebow the TE / H-Back

    For those of you that ask 'what makes you think Tebow can catch a football?', I say what made you think Edelman could?
     
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    This tebow business is getting as bad as the julius peppers threads for the past six months. If he's still there in the 6th round then, sure, take a flyer on him, otherwise forget about it.

    All this BS about plugging him as an H-back or TE is nonsense. This isn't high school. In the NFL you can't just "plug in" a guy to a position that he's never played before, no matter how great an athlete he is, without the risk of getting him or someone else killed.

    Just forget about tebow already.
     
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    "Laz I'll gladly trade you 1 box of Lucky Charms for 2 boxes of Honey Nut Cherios, their is value there and it isn't that much of a reach, unless it is on the top shelf. Any GM (General Mills), would do it in a heartbeat."

    Tough call bobbysu.  See Lucky Charms is so complete, It has those numerous oat grain clusters WITH varying types of colorful tastey marshmallows...  It's so hard to find any type of trully delcious breakfast cereal that can even somewhat be passed off as having BOTH healthy AND candy-oriented (i.e. non-healthy) Aspects.  Lucky Charms is like selecting a Collegiate 4-3 Defensive End with a multiple aray of pass-rushing moves, WHO can play just as good in space with his hand off the ground and is just as aware and as natural as when he plays at the LOS in a 3-point stance, and so, Can and DOES make an adequate transition to 3-4 OLB... Man, THEN It's like that dude's 6'3-6'4 and weighs @ 265 too, So that OLB isn't simply a 3-4 OLB, but he's a Strongside 3-4 OLB who can set the edge verses a run, can crowd the LOS as a pass-rushing threat in his own like, AND/OR can drop back and occupy a zone on a passing play...  That IS to say bobbysu, ya throw in a bowl a' Cinnamon Toast Crunch, or bare minimum-half box a Count Chocula...and I'm sold. 

    ~Also, I LOVE the idea of Tim Tebow as a massively undersized Tight End with simply modest speed, who hasn't caught passes, OR really EVER-run NFL route patterns in any sort of game-day design is, at least to me, simply priceless (lmao, and the fact that even smaller decent pass-catching TEs don't fit NE's system, makes even funnier).  But hey, I personally believe there's still hope in Tim Tebow being that 6'2-6'3 235lb banger, simply because EVEN though he runs upright and would be a desperately slow Runningback, The fact that Tebow actually has those purely superficial physical measurables of a bigger power-back, MEANS at least to me, that Tebow's time as a collegiate pitch option QB on sweeps WILL translate to being an unbelievably powerful between-the-tackles banger of a' RunningBack (usually most if not all, even bigger Pro QBs like to be between-the-tackles-smashmouth RBs), heck-Tebow will probably even be a good pass-blocker for Brady, as a stay at-home RB against 6'6 300lb Pro DEs...AND again, Tebow as a pass-catching RB out in the flat, man...simply see the TE aspect, because since he can obviously play TE, he clearly can then catch passes as a runningback...LMAO, ahh-classic
     
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    In Response to Re: Tim Tebow the TE / H-Back : Everybody knows Captain Crunch is a  superior cereal.
    Posted by mthurl


    I find the discussion on cereals more interesting than the one about  Tebow. Since we already have the word Tebow somewhere, that should  make the cereal discussion legitimate in a football forum (just like that thread about religion hanging around this forum for quite a while).
     
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     Has anyone heard or read anywhere that Tebow is even willing to play a different position?

     From what I've read he wants to play QB.

     
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    Pre-draft measureables
    Ht Wt 40-yard dash 10-yd split 20-yd split 20-ss 3-cone Vert Broad BP Wonderlic
    6′2¾″ 236 lb 4.71 1.55 2.66 4.17 6.66 38½ in. 9′7″ DNA rep 22
    Posted by 49Patriots


    I gave Wonderlic Tebow a fifth rounder.  If he makes the team as a tight end, he'll be the dumbest guy on the Patriots' line.  It takes real brains to play for BB and Tebow is average.

    Other than that, he does have the right mental stuff.  He's 6 foot 3, average foot speed, maybe needs and has extra strength to play TE.  He can pull up and pass once every 50 carries to drive defenses nuts, which has a nonzero value for putting him on the field once in a while.  He takes surprise shotgun snaps too.  As a 236 pounder he has a little ability and college experience to run through the line without fumbling.  He won't be playing the first year so he's definitely not worth a third rounder, but maybe he can improve.  Maybe. 

    If he does improve, he'll have the right mental stuff.  And for his size, I really like his short shuttle and 3-cone numbers.  He'll be an open target for Brady at tight end, not a placeholder.
     
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    In Response to Re: Tim Tebow the TE / H-Back : Everybody knows Captain Crunch is a  superior cereal.
    Posted by mthurl


    Apple Jacks is and always will be the greatest cereal of all time.
     

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