Upgrading LBs through FA

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    Upgrading LBs through FA

    There's a MLB that will be available after this season, Karlos Dansby (AZ Cardinals) this guy is big 6'4 260 and is only 28 yr old.
    He has not had the best of years but has in previous years.  The cardinals D has been up and down so his lack of tackles could be due to the DL (not all but some).
    He's a guy that will be cheaper because of lack of productivity, I believe with a healthy Mayo and Dansby the middle would be set add Mckenzie into the mix and this will be a strong set of LBs.  Dansby is a leader and is one of those who likes to pump up the D something we are missing right now.
    There's also D'Qwell Jackson, he was injured this year and could have a low price tag.  He played for the Browns so might have just been a lack of talent around him that forced him to lead the team in tackles because no one else was tackling.

    Which ever guy it is there are some other good LBs as free agents, my perfect which would be to get Barrett Ruud but he will most certainly get a deal like Bart Scott got, don't think the Pats will pay a MLB 6 yr 50 mil. 

    There really are no OLBs I would like forget Shawn Merijerk.
     
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    Dansby is the perfect fit. He doesn't overwhelm with numbers, but he has a knack for making a big play - see Arizona playoff win last week. I would love to see him here.
     
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    Fish,

    I believe AZ has already franchised him TWICE so they may have priced themselves out of the bidding as each subsequent franchise tag bumps the % of pay increase.

    I am sure he will not be cheap and will have many suitors. He's good.
     
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    To be honest, I think that Mayo, Guyton and Banta-Cain make a very good foundation at 3 of the 4 spots.  Mayo will be healthy, Guyton should continue to improve, and TBC proved to be a very good all around OLB this year.  

    That second OLB spot is the key.  I'd like to see them release Thomas and draft someone like Jerry Hughes from TCU, who I think would be a perfect fit for this defense as a pass rushing OLB who can place in space as well.  On top of that, draft another pass rush specialist, whether it be a DE or OLB, later in the draft.
     
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    With all the positions that need improvement, there is no chance NE puts their FA money on the MLB spot. No way, no how.  Never have and never will.

    Now if you're talking DE or OLB that can get to the QB, it's a go.  The MLB spot not named Mayo comes out on all nickle, dime or 4-3 defensive sets anyways.  Save you're $$$ and stay with Guyton and McKenzie opposite Mayo.  Maybe add a veteran ILB for short money but that's it.

    Actually the Pats could use 2 new OLBs: replacement for AD and an early down OLB to team up with TBC.  Woods was a disapointment as that run stopping OLB leaving it to TBC, who's much better just rushing the QB.  Draft 1 OLB and get 1 OLB from free agency. 
     
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    base set in NE is a 3-4, there were problems when they tried a 4-3 ect.  Because there's not a strong presence next to Mayo teams are sending a fullback a guard/Tackle at him.  There needs to be a set of MLBs, it starts by stopping the run if you don't have two guys in the middle that can do that teams are going to do just what the Ravens did.  Run right up the middle.

    MLB is the who QB on the D side, Mayo is too young to be that guy.
     
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    Mayo's going into his 3rd year in the NFL and is now plenty old enough to call signals.  It's MLB not a Supreme Court Judge - 3rd year starter should be fine.

    Moreover, BB has NEVER spent big money on a MLB.  Can not see him doing so now.
     
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    We haven't been without Bruschi except for one year, how did that work out?

    I agree there are needs all over the place, I just saw how the ravens ran up the middle and saw the way LBs were been taken out of the play.  Guyton is a converted OLB, I don't think he has adjusted.  I would like to see a true MLB.  If not spend the $$ on a free agent should they spend a draft pick on one?  I don't think with all the other needs they can.  This will be an interesting offseason.

    Need a Guard, RT (Vollmer LT), Center, DEs, CBs, OLBs, RB, MLB WR.  At some point you have to go and get some FAs.

     
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    You have to be willing to spend money for any of this to happen...
     
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    Something needs to be done Mayo regressed and Guyton plays like an undrafted Free Agent.  Thomas will be gone and TBC Plays like a 7th round draft pick.

    You put them all together and you get a team that gets blown out by a run game in the first round.
     
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    i think we should go after julius peppers and jason taylor to allow the rookie who we select and crable/mckenzie learn from the best.
     
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    Guyton nor TBC are starting caliber guys at their positions..not if you are looking to build a stout defense that can stop the run and rush the passer. I like them as subs, and in certain packages, but that's it. 

    I think for the inside, we should stick with Mayo, McKenzie and move Guyton there for backup on 3rd down, passing situations. At OLB, that is a position that is wide open and needs to be filled. I'd take a OLB high in the draft (Hughes from TCU), and possibly work the combo of Guyton, TBC, etc. at the other outside. 

    Can AD, Can Crable, Can Woods. None of these guys are going to get it done for us. I want aggressive, angry linebackers. Dansby would be nice, but I think a bit steep on price.

    Who is available via FA at the OLB spot?
     
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    Yes, I would. If you watched Guyton play at all this year, he gets pushed around too much inside. He's not bad, possibly start at outside, but I think when you see McKenzie play, you will see he is an upgrade inside over Guyton. So, I understand what you are saying (that he hasn't played a down), but he has good size and played the position in college, which Guyton did not play ILB in college as far as I know.
    Anyhow, I think we have 3 LB's....Mayo, Guyton and McKenzie. Crable should be toast, Woods is so/so, AD is too expensive next year (4.9M against the cap) for what he gives us. I'd rather give the money to someone else. 
     
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    I'm a big fan of D'Qwell Jackson.  If you look, he had ~150 tackles a couple years ago before getting hurt this year.  He's also played in TWO 3-4 systems (Crennel's and Mangini's), both of which are similar to the Pats' system.

    I don't know if the Browns will let him go - it depends on who else hits free agency for them and whether the labor deal gets done or not.
     
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    LOL at "TBC playing like a 7th round pick".  I guess the NFL is littered with 7th round picks who have 10 sacks and play well against the run.

    Thomas' spot can definitely be upgraded through the draft, but I GUARANTEE that unless you want to spend $10+ million a year, TBC's spot will not be played better by a replacement.  Guarantee.
     
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       I like TBC also but he's horrible against the run. He just can't shed blocks our contain the run. He played well at times (weren't 3 of his sacks in one game), and was better than expected. Trust me though, no coach in the NFL game plans to avoid TBC like they do for the good OLB's. If we had three good LB's like some have said there is no way Baltimore would have ran all over the Patriots like they did. On most of those 3rd and shorts Rice was hit before the marker and our LB's couldn't make the tackle. Thomas is still our most talented linebacker, but he's probably going to be a Jet next year so we better get used to seeing him go after Brady. 

     
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    Can we not have posts that mention Crable as a possible contributor? I mean, cmon! All last offseason I heard about how he's going to be productive after doing nothing his first year, and, surprise surprise, he is IR'd in year two also. Do you think he was IR'd because  of injury or because he just can't play but they don't want to cut him. You see the guys who do play (Guyton)? If Crable were anything, he would've shown up by now.

    I hope BB drafts people who can play, and not because they are above 6'-4" and have long arms (Crable, Woods). Just because an OLB fits a size ideal doesn't mean he can play in the nfl. I'd rather have undersized guys who can play like Tully.
     
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    To add to the above I think adding a guy like Dansby would be a great idea. I'd make sure he's damn smart first bc we don't need another Monty Beisel.
     
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    Does anyone think Aaron Kampman could help in any way?  Maybe as a DE if the Pats lose Jarvis Green?  I hear he failed as an OLB...

    That Julius Peppers guy wouldn't be bad either - he has all of the physical tools to be the next best thing to DeMarcus Ware.
     
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    Im glad people are starting to talk about the ilb spot, Ive been hammering this point all year. Yea Mayo had and fought through some injuries but he was beat on the edge and up the middle, which is concerning. You can use the injury to excuse getting beat off the edge, but hey hes out there. His tackling was an issue and looked slow at times trying to wrap up backs coming up the middle. As many of you know backers make the 34 system, you cant run it without guys like Vince clogging and occupying blockers, but thats all for not if you dont have the linebackers to make the plays. A couple of guys a love and didnt hear anybody bring up are B-Rudd and D-Ryans. I believe both are f/a's and both are absolute tackling machines. I cant understand for the life of me why both havent been locked up. Another is Kirk Morrison from Oakland, one of few bright spots for the Raiders, Morrison if not a top 5 ilb hes not far off. All I believe can fit right in our systems. I see no reason not to at least entertain the thought of snacthing up one. Dont get me wrong I like Mayo, but I think he needs a guy that is on his level to excel. Rudd and Ryans are top five mld/ilb and would cost a lil' bit, but both have proven that they are worth it. Dont be fooled here, WE NEED ANOTHER ILB and these guys are top 3 players at their respected positions, these oppurtunities dont come along often, if at all. Everyone on here is screaming about a pass rush and are right in screaming about it, but I think most are doing so because...well everyone else is doing it. Who couldnt watch the Pats this year and see their pass rush was a rumor at best. Any jackazz that is breathing and has eyes can scream the obvi. , but ilb is a real need that cant wait. And as I said many times this oppurtunity doesnt come along often if at all. Rudd, Ryans, and Morrison, your not gonna see that talent on the market for a long long time. Also McClain and Spikes in the draft are guys that look like they can come in from day one and play at a high level. Those are 5 guys worth paying alot of money to. And if you are going to shell out some real dough why not try and go after the guys that have done it the past 4-5 years?
     
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    Im a huge Peppers fan, some like to nit-pick about taking plays off, which I dont buy. Just cause a guy isnt superman doesnt mean hes not a great player. Im saying unload dead weight ie...Light or Nick K, AD, and Maroney. Try and trade or drop them along with Burgess. If we drop em' and still owe $ try and get anything by trading them. Might make BB look bad and look dumb in the short term, but how smart would you look getting Rudd or Ryans, and maybe Peppers. Look I know some will sat to much $ , wont happen, Peppers is to old. Wht not try and signhim to a 5 year deal, everyone over pays more superior talent and Peppers next 5 years are better than 90-95% of the guys out there and in the upcoming draft. Also consider how much of a gamble drafting olb's is, their are guys like Matthews and Cush, but what about Ayers, Vernon G, Maybin etc. Peppers and Rudd could remake this whole D. You need to take some chances and spend some $ sometimes to be great. At the very least its worth pondering.
     
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    There's a reason why Kampman is not playing DE for GB, he's too small for a 34.  He unlike Peppers has had a full season (minus injuries) to learn and he did improve as the season went along.  With that been said, he was very critical before the season began about the transition to OLB from DE.

    I think he will look for a team that runs a 43 as their base D. 

    I don't like Peppers, hope we don't try to bring him in. 
     
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    bmadmax,

    yes, I saw a little bit of McKenzie play in college. Honestly, he is a bit undersized for the MLB position (unless he gains about 15/20 lbs), but has good strength for his size. 

    If he can make it on the field and stay healthy, I think he will be a solid #3 behind the starters (whoever they are) for at least next year. I don' tknow if he will be a huge impact player, but either is Guyton or Crable. 

    Crable occupies a valuable spot on the roster, and he has not proven anything for 3 years running. I think it is time to cut ties with him. Yes, he has the size BB covets, but so does Woods and AD, and they are nothing special.

    BB needs to check his size requirements for the OLB/DE position. There are so many guys in the NFL now that are shorter than 6'3"-6-4" who can play the position well, and if we keep looking for that perfect physical specimen, we are going to pass over more and more talent like we have done to date. 

    I don't know if McKenzie is starting material. All i know is we have 1 real starting quality LB and that is Mayo. We desperately need upgrades at both MLB and OLB, and to me this is where we need to focus in the draft in round 1 or 2. Pick up 1 OLB/DE (Hughes from TCU), pick on a FA, and I think we fill in the rest with who we have on the roster (Guyton, TBC, etc.).


     

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