Ups and Downs: NE vs DET

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    Ups ...

     

    1.) Kenbrell Thompkins really looked liked a top WR last night. Granted the Lions are not known for excellent coverage, but he was consistently above his man over the top of the coverage. He made most of his catches, outside of one crucial 3rd down drop that was placed right on his numbers, and a nifty 3rd down play, smudged only by an early exit a yard shy of the first down marker. Some rookie mistakes, but the kid can play.

     

    2.)Tommy Kelly. He generated serious interior pass rush, making use of the space afforded him by Jones' apparent draw for blockers. Have the Pats, at long last, have found a complimentary pass rushing outfit? With Jones being the dynamic double-team draw, Kelly will have his opportunities. At the very least, NE has its best interior pass rusher in the better part of a decade. 

     

    3.) Nink. He really isn't even hearing footsteps from anyone else at defensive end right now. Forget about the pressure, which has been there, but he made an excellent play chipping on a screen play that saved a TD. Little things like that make a quality player. 

     

    Down

     

    1.) Zach Sudfeld. Tough to rag on a kid who has done it all right so far, but the fumble was easily the most inexcusable of the night. He was carrying the football like a picnic basket. He lost playing time from then out.

     

    2.) Patriots' interior offensive line. I understand it is preseason, and the Detroit has one of the best front four setups in the NFL ... but they didn't need to get beaten this bad. I'm giving a mulligan to all the RBs because of how little room they had to move. Vereen's fumble, especially, was terrible in that the kid was basically engulfed the moment he got the ball. He never had a chance. HE should have secured it better, but there is no excuse for an interior line getting abused that bad. Brady was basically in chuck and duck mode whenever he was throwing after that first drive. 

    3.) Julian Edelman. He wasn't a factor. Ran himself out of a drag route by crossing up with a RB. Cross up Dobson on the INT, essentially running the big WR out of the play. On top of that, BB was giving reps to Washington at PR all night long. While I think Edelman, for his experience out there and his ST value is someone NE might want to keep, it wasn't a great night. 

     

    I could add: Blount (tiptoeing on the Pats' 1 yd line ... that is not a way to project your frame and power. In that situation you are running straight ahead. Bolden too for fumbling a pass after a few steps. He never really secured it. Neither he, nor Ridley, nor Blount inspire enough confidence to merit being thrown too in close quarters. 

     

    Cut watch:

     

    Tebow, he didn't even get a snap tonight. My guess is that NE will keep him for week 4 in a final eval, but it doesn't look good when the team won't even let you take the field outside of a special teams play. 

     

    Tavon Wilson, again not even in the game until the very end. Harmon, who was again unimpressive, was at least in there more than Tavon.

     
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    The only injury was to a guy who wouldn't make the team anyway (Grissom). Still, hope it isn't serious for him.  Injuries are the only stat that matter in the preseason.

     
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    The only injury was to a guy who wouldn't make the team anyway (Grissom). Still, hope it isn't serious for him.  Injuries are the only stat that matter in the preseason.



    I thought Grissom had an outside chance. Too bad. 

    Still ... performance matters. What little things are players doing, and what little things aren't they doing. 

    There isn't a single stat mentioned in the OP, just some points about players and their progress in the NFL or the defense/offense that BB runs. 

     
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    I was looking for Thompkins to bounce back after what I thought was a poor showing last week, and he really did...loved watching him just blow by guys right at the jam.

    I wouldn't neccesarily put Sudfeld in the down catergory - guy made a rookie mistake - at least he was in position to make the play....more than I can say for a lot of them tonight.

    I thought Collins showed flashes again. And I thought Harmon looked like everyone else we've brought in to play safety the last four years...pathetically average. This has been two weeks now for him that he has done nothing but look like a backup, which keeping with tradition is what he probably is.

    I thought Boyce looked good when Mallett wasn't throwing balls at the turf worms. Speaking of Mallett...I don't get this guy. He can't play that way, he just can't. There are 30 guys that are backups across this league that could easily perform the way he has (or better) over the last 11 preseason games he's played...tired of hearing about his world class arm or how one draft publication said he was going to be a top 15 pick...or how that dope Lombardi praised him. There's a reason he went low in the draft, just like there's a reason why no one offered us a thing for him this off season.

    Kelly, Wilfork and Jones are going to be really something together, I just wish we had one more guy. I wanted it to be Armstead.

    If I have to watch Bequette run into a left tackle and get locked up while the whole world goes about their business one more time, I'm going to throw up on myself. This guy is awful! Awful! He couldn't get to the quarterback with a police escort.

    Didn't like any of our run blocking tonight, but I expected that to happen going against a Detroit defense that had to hear about how bad they played last week. Still if Vareen and Ridley are supposed to be this offense's future, you got to do something. You can't just get 3 yard loss, after three yard loss and then fumble. 

     

     
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    Ups ...

     

    1.) Kenbrell Thompkins really looked liked a top WR last night. Granted the Lions are not known for excellent coverage, but he was consistently above his man over the top of the coverage. He made most of his catches, outside of one crucial 3rd down drop that was placed right on his numbers, and a nifty 3rd down play, smudged only by an early exit a yard shy of the first down marker. Some rookie mistakes, but the kid can play.

     

    2.)Tommy Kelly. He generated serious interior pass rush, making use of the space afforded him by Jones' apparent draw for blockers. Have the Pats, at long last, have found a complimentary pass rushing outfit? With Jones being the dynamic double-team draw, Kelly will have his opportunities. At the very least, NE has its best interior pass rusher in the better part of a decade. 

     

    3.) Nink. He really isn't even hearing footsteps from anyone else at defensive end right now. Forget about the pressure, which has been there, but he made an excellent play chipping on a screen play that saved a TD. Little things like that make a quality player. 

     

    Down

     

    1.) Zach Sudfeld. Tough to rag on a kid who has done it all right so far, but the fumble was easily the most inexcusable of the night. He was carrying the football like a picnic basket. He lost playing time from then out.

     

    2.) Patriots' interior offensive line. I understand it is preseason, and the Detroit has one of the best front four setups in the NFL ... but they didn't need to get beaten this bad. I'm giving a mulligan to all the RBs because of how little room they had to move. Vereen's fumble, especially, was terrible in that the kid was basically engulfed the moment he got the ball. He never had a chance. HE should have secured it better, but there is no excuse for an interior line getting abused that bad. Brady was basically in chuck and duck mode whenever he was throwing after that first drive. 

    3.) Julian Edelman. He wasn't a factor. Ran himself out of a drag route by crossing up with a RB. Cross up Dobson on the INT, essentially running the big WR out of the play. On top of that, BB was giving reps to Washington at PR all night long. While I think Edelman, for his experience out there and his ST value is someone NE might want to keep, it wasn't a great night. 

     

    I could add: Blount (tiptoeing on the Pats' 1 yd line ... that is not a way to project your frame and power. In that situation you are running straight ahead. Bolden too for fumbling a pass after a few steps. He never really secured it. Neither he, nor Ridley, nor Blount inspire enough confidence to merit being thrown too in close quarters. 

     

    Cut watch:

     

    Tebow, he didn't even get a snap tonight. My guess is that NE will keep him for week 4 in a final eval, but it doesn't look good when the team won't even let you take the field outside of a special teams play. 

     

    Tavon Wilson, again not even in the game until the very end. Harmon, who was again unimpressive, was at least in there more than Tavon.




    Pretty solid analysis. What do you think of Adrian Wilson playing almost the whole game? Perillo and Hart thought it was a blow to his chances while Fauria thought he was just getting reps at a newer position(in the box safety). I don't know what to make of that.

     
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    Tompkins is the real deal.  I'd put Mayo in the down group. He loses his starting job and for a tackling machine had the worst whiff I'd seen in years.

     
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    Tompkins is the real deal.  I'd put Mayo in the down group. He loses his starting job and for a tackling machine had the worst whiff I'd seen in years.




    Yeah.

    Mayo sux.

    So does Ninkovich...

     
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    I haven't seen the game yet (i live in Tucson AZ  and it is taping on my DVR as I type) but will watch it to see the good the bad and the ugly. Bill will use this game to hammer a lot of things home and I would rather see a game like this in pre season then one that counts!!!!!

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    I am trying to figure out where Ballard stands. He is out there with the first offense plenty but does not seem to do anything. He is okay blocking, but does not seem to be anything at all in the passing game. Sudfeld is the only TE actually involved in the passing game. He has more catches (7) than the Fells, Ballard, and Hoomanawanui combined (5).

    I would put the middle of the offensive line on the down side as well. How many were the guards and center push backwards or simply knocked on their b*tts. Svitek in particular looked overmatched on pretty much every snap. I know that the DL in a strength of Detroit, but he did not look like an NFL caliber guard tonight.

    I would like to see more out of Mallett, but the preseason can be such an enigma. Go back and look at Cassel's number in 2008 (he was 19 of 34 for 175 yards 0 TDs 1 Int - a 57.8 rating). He was essential outplayed by Gutierrez in the preseason. I have no idea what to make of Mallett right now. 

    As for Tebow, sadly, I think he makes the team. Belichick knew what he was when he brought him in and obviously has some plan for him. I just think they realized they cannot play him in preseason because he is so bad right now, it makes it hard to evaluate other players.

    Overall, as bad as they looked tonight. It is just preseason and people are over reacting in much the same way they over reacted to how good the Patriots looked in the first two games. They are still the best team in the AFC East and one of top teams in the AFC. If Amendola, Gronk and Brady are healthy, they will be a top 3 offense. If Jones can return to his start of season form from last year and Talib can stay healthy* the defense will be better than last years.

    * I think people have been so focused on Amendola's "Injury History" Talib's injuries have been under reported. He has not made it through a season healthy since 2009. In 2010, he tore a tendon in his hip that ended his season. In 2011, he pulled a hamstring in week 13 that ended his season. Last year (after missing weeks 5-9 for his PED suspension), he again injured his hamstring in week 15. Sat out weeks 16 & 17, and made through 10 minutes of the AFC Championship game before injuring the same hamstring again. Unlike Amendola, these are not freak broken bones and random injuries. 

     
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    All the problems of this team rolled into one in this game. Blockers that can't block, runners that can't run and a defense that can't defend. Complete incompetence.

    Pre-season can't be taken too seriously, but we have seen these same issues front and center when it has mattered most as well.

     

    This is a mediocre team with a great HC and QB. Boo and hiss to the GM for his mediocre work in providing players to the HC to put around that HOF QB.

     

     http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff6/babeparilli/gif_193x113_39ce6f_zps83b8ca29.gif?t=1373985234

     

     
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    UPS

    Tebow had more passing yards in this game then he did last week.

     

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    In response to zbellino's comment:

    Ups ...

     

    1.) Kenbrell Thompkins really looked liked a top WR last night. Granted the Lions are not known for excellent coverage, but he was consistently above his man over the top of the coverage. He made most of his catches, outside of one crucial 3rd down drop that was placed right on his numbers, and a nifty 3rd down play, smudged only by an early exit a yard shy of the first down marker. Some rookie mistakes, but the kid can play.

     

    2.)Tommy Kelly. He generated serious interior pass rush, making use of the space afforded him by Jones' apparent draw for blockers. Have the Pats, at long last, have found a complimentary pass rushing outfit? With Jones being the dynamic double-team draw, Kelly will have his opportunities. At the very least, NE has its best interior pass rusher in the better part of a decade. 

     

    3.) Nink. He really isn't even hearing footsteps from anyone else at defensive end right now. Forget about the pressure, which has been there, but he made an excellent play chipping on a screen play that saved a TD. Little things like that make a quality player. 

     

    Down

     

    1.) Zach Sudfeld. Tough to rag on a kid who has done it all right so far, but the fumble was easily the most inexcusable of the night. He was carrying the football like a picnic basket. He lost playing time from then out.

     

    2.) Patriots' interior offensive line. I understand it is preseason, and the Detroit has one of the best front four setups in the NFL ... but they didn't need to get beaten this bad. I'm giving a mulligan to all the RBs because of how little room they had to move. Vereen's fumble, especially, was terrible in that the kid was basically engulfed the moment he got the ball. He never had a chance. HE should have secured it better, but there is no excuse for an interior line getting abused that bad. Brady was basically in chuck and duck mode whenever he was throwing after that first drive. 

    3.) Julian Edelman. He wasn't a factor. Ran himself out of a drag route by crossing up with a RB. Cross up Dobson on the INT, essentially running the big WR out of the play. On top of that, BB was giving reps to Washington at PR all night long. While I think Edelman, for his experience out there and his ST value is someone NE might want to keep, it wasn't a great night. 

     

    I could add: Blount (tiptoeing on the Pats' 1 yd line ... that is not a way to project your frame and power. In that situation you are running straight ahead. Bolden too for fumbling a pass after a few steps. He never really secured it. Neither he, nor Ridley, nor Blount inspire enough confidence to merit being thrown too in close quarters. 

     

    Cut watch:

     

    Tebow, he didn't even get a snap tonight. My guess is that NE will keep him for week 4 in a final eval, but it doesn't look good when the team won't even let you take the field outside of a special teams play. 

     

    Tavon Wilson, again not even in the game until the very end. Harmon, who was again unimpressive, was at least in there more than Tavon.




    1)   I am not worried about the D. It will be much better with VW on the field. We won't be seeing RBs running amok like that with him at the LOS. With VW on the field, LBs will also look better. That said, they need another good DT.

    2)   I am still worried about the running game, but not because of the RBs. I have believed for the past few years that the problem with the running game has not been the RBs. It's been the OL. The OL has been good at protecting TB, but not at run blocking.

    3)   Contribution-wise, I don't see a that there will be a big difference between Harmon and T Wilson.

    4)   Is Ballard working hard to get cut by the Pats so he can go back to NYG?

    5)   Hopefully, ZS is smart enough to fix his carrying technique. If so, then TE position will be fine 'til Gronk comes back. I am not sure coaches will do much to fix it. I've seen AH carry the ball as casually. I am actually surprised AH did not fumble more.

     

     
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    Thompkins was indeed impressive.  Dobson showed some real flashes as well.  The D, although repeatedly placed in tough spots, played well for the most part in the first half.  Liked the push they were getting without Vince in the game.

    I'm guessing ball security will be a matter of some discussion going forward.

     
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    Cut Watch:

    Don't you have to add Leon Washington to this list?  I thought he was on the bubble coming in and he did nothing again.  Why in the world is he taking touchbacks in the second half in a pre-season game when he needs to show something?  Maybe he already knows he is a goner....

     

     
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    Yet another collapse by the best offensive line in football.  They usually wait for an important game for this to happen. 

     


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    So, has the "recipe" for beating the Pats changed this year?
    Brady's new favorite target, DA, wasn't there to throw to (his "binky" was taken away), the opposing defense came in playing hard-nosed, smash-mouth ball, and the Pats defense wasn't able to do much in terms of creating turnovers, which usually translates into their not being able to stop anyone.

     
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    So, has the "recipe" for beating the Pats changed this year?
    Brady's new favorite target, DA, wasn't there to throw to (his "binky" was taken away), the opposing defense came in playing hard-nosed, smash-mouth ball, and the Pats defense wasn't able to do much in terms of creating turnovers, which usually translates into their not being able to stop anyone.



    I don't think the recipe has changed much. The Patriots are going to win their share of games. There's no question that this team has talent and is an above average team. That being said, physical trumps finesse.  We just don't match up well against certain teams - and until our defense has the ability to shut down an opponent to keep a game close....the Patriots will likely lose those types of games.  In the past, the Patriots used to win those types of games.

     
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    In response to WazzuWheatfarmer's comment:

     

    The only injury was to a guy who wouldn't make the team anyway (Grissom). Still, hope it isn't serious for him.  Injuries are the only stat that matter in the preseason.

     



    I thought Grissom had an outside chance. Too bad. 

     

    Still ... performance matters. What little things are players doing, and what little things aren't they doing. 

    There isn't a single stat mentioned in the OP, just some points about players and their progress in the NFL or the defense/offense that BB runs. 




    Yeah, don't get me wrong, performance does matter in these games, especially by the guys who are on the bubble.  Your analysis was right on and I agree with it.  All I'm saying is that health is the most important thing, to me.  It always really sucks to lose key players in meaningless games, so I would much rather get beat 70-0 and be healthy after the game than win big and suffer a significant injury.  In other words, NE did look very sloppy last night, but I'm just glad we didn't suffer any key injuries.  Bring on the regular season!

     
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    In response to zbellino's comment:

    Ups ...

     

    1.) Kenbrell Thompkins really looked liked a top WR last night. Granted the Lions are not known for excellent coverage, but he was consistently above his man over the top of the coverage. He made most of his catches, outside of one crucial 3rd down drop that was placed right on his numbers, and a nifty 3rd down play, smudged only by an early exit a yard shy of the first down marker. Some rookie mistakes, but the kid can play.

     

    2.)Tommy Kelly. He generated serious interior pass rush, making use of the space afforded him by Jones' apparent draw for blockers. Have the Pats, at long last, have found a complimentary pass rushing outfit? With Jones being the dynamic double-team draw, Kelly will have his opportunities. At the very least, NE has its best interior pass rusher in the better part of a decade. 

     

    3.) Nink. He really isn't even hearing footsteps from anyone else at defensive end right now. Forget about the pressure, which has been there, but he made an excellent play chipping on a screen play that saved a TD. Little things like that make a quality player. 

     

    Down

     

    1.) Zach Sudfeld. Tough to rag on a kid who has done it all right so far, but the fumble was easily the most inexcusable of the night. He was carrying the football like a picnic basket. He lost playing time from then out.

     

    2.) Patriots' interior offensive line. I understand it is preseason, and the Detroit has one of the best front four setups in the NFL ... but they didn't need to get beaten this bad. I'm giving a mulligan to all the RBs because of how little room they had to move. Vereen's fumble, especially, was terrible in that the kid was basically engulfed the moment he got the ball. He never had a chance. HE should have secured it better, but there is no excuse for an interior line getting abused that bad. Brady was basically in chuck and duck mode whenever he was throwing after that first drive. 

    3.) Julian Edelman. He wasn't a factor. Ran himself out of a drag route by crossing up with a RB. Cross up Dobson on the INT, essentially running the big WR out of the play. On top of that, BB was giving reps to Washington at PR all night long. While I think Edelman, for his experience out there and his ST value is someone NE might want to keep, it wasn't a great night. 

     

    I could add: Blount (tiptoeing on the Pats' 1 yd line ... that is not a way to project your frame and power. In that situation you are running straight ahead. Bolden too for fumbling a pass after a few steps. He never really secured it. Neither he, nor Ridley, nor Blount inspire enough confidence to merit being thrown too in close quarters. 

     

    Cut watch:

     

    Tebow, he didn't even get a snap tonight. My guess is that NE will keep him for week 4 in a final eval, but it doesn't look good when the team won't even let you take the field outside of a special teams play. 

     

    Tavon Wilson, again not even in the game until the very end. Harmon, who was again unimpressive, was at least in there more than Tavon.



    I agree with most of that. I really like KT. I said last week that he looks like the # 1. He is ahead of Dobson who can make great catches but isnt as consistent. Make no mistake , detroit or not, He UNDRESSED C.Houston on one play and got open instantly. We havent had that outside since I dont know when.  Boyce is smaller than I thought, but I like his skillset. We have 3 completely diff. WR's in Boyce, KT and Dobson and all compliment each other. I got nothing good to say about anyone else. Everyone else was DOWN IMO

     
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    In response to TFB12's comment:

    UPS

    Tebow had mor passing yards in this game then he did last week.

     

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    Lol!! good point!

     
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    Tompkins is the real deal.  I'd put Mayo in the down group. He loses his starting job and for a tackling machine had the worst whiff I'd seen in years.




    I know you must have noticed when they flashed his stats from last year. I couldnt believe my eyes when it said 73 tackles 11 pd's. I guess some folks have some splaining' to do. I keep hearing how he gets 100 plus tackles a year so u were right about assists.  I mean I like the guy, but like You I wonder if he worth all that money. He may be smart and line up the D,.but those RB's always do that to him. Spike is better at corraling Bush on the sideline, thats was bad. I just want the guy to show up in big spots. Not against the afc east only. Their run was efficient, ours was Pathetic. Brady was under attack all night. Lots of bad last night and they arent gonna play much next week. Lets hope they have a couple good weeks practice leading up to season.

     
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    up

    1.Kenbrell Thompkins. He is shaping up to be a undrafted steal. plus he didnt let that costly drop get to him  and still had a good day

    2. the first half Defense.with the way we kept coughing the ball up  we were only down 13  when it could have been much worse it was good to see  them generate pressure with out wilfork  there

    Down

    1. the offensive line. plain and simple they got their collective buts handed to them and couldnt get anything going for the run game

    2.Zach Sudfeld. that was a kiler turn over he had but he is a rookie and there will be growing pains

     
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    After Vince and Kelly the interior DL has absolutely NOTHING...Fortson is a joke, as is ol' Poke Chop....they need two decent backups STAT.....Armstead isn't going to be a miracle worker even if he's ready tomorrow, and he won't be after missing all of camp (riding a bike on the sidelines during practice AIN'T practice)...teams will just try to run on the Pats as soon as either kelly or Wilfolk take a few plays off for rotation purposes...oh, and BTW, Spikes is what we thought he was, a two down LB who can't cover backs out of the backfield....

    Bolden might have done himself in with that hedious, fumbling performance...Sudfeld proved that you can't really count on rookies to play well all the time, he should have had a nice play instead of a turnover...Vereen should know better by now...Svitek looked pretty bad vs. Suh, but in his defense Suh does that to all-pro guards...the entire O Line should have stayed in Foxboro the way the Lions D line came out...if they don't come out with physicality this year we're going to have some long afternoons...even Brady looked bad with that moron interception he threw into coverage...

    All in all, except for Thompkins, a fully forgettable game.....

     
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    The only UP I can really think of is Thompkins is a stud.  Right now he is the best receiver on the team.  Better then Amendola, better then Dobson.  This kid is good.

    The lions O line is horrible yet the Pats couldn't get to the QB.

    I said I wanted Reggie Bush in the offseason, people laughed.  Reggie Bush made that Pats defense look like a Pop Warner team.  Bush would have been awesome in the Pats offense.  He is a stud catching passes out of the backfield, something the Pats love to do.

    Arrington looked horrible out there. 

    Collins was all over the place last night..... in a bad way.

    Adrian Wilson was out there most of the game, I hardly noticed him.  Did he do anything?

    Sudfeld's fumble was bad.  But love how he runs his routes and can get open and catch the ball.  Love the way he blocks, he will be very good if he can stay healthy and hold onto the ball.

    Ballard could be gone.  Everything I have been reading lately is about how bad he looks.  His leg isn't healthy yet and it shows in the way he plays.  Too bad, I thought the TE position was solid, it looks iffy at the moment.

    O line looked terrible, I had flashbacks of the 2007 SB last night.

    Terrible game!  Horrible game.  A lot of work to be done between now and the first game.  I knew to be careful and not get overly excited after the Bucs game.  This lions team isn't going to be as good as the 2011 Lions when they made the Pats look bad in the preseason.  Yet they made the Pats look worse last night then they did back in 2011.

     

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    Re: Ups and Downs: NE vs DET

    Thoughts on the game in game...

     

    Detroit has the best D Line in football, if we had their players I'd beg to play the 4/3, they are scary.

     

    Thompkins is an every down player, but we'll need Dobson and Boyce to be successful.

     

    Edelmen proves his worth on a key third and 7, great athleticism.

     

    Sudfeld finally makes a rookie play.

     

    Play action got Sudfeld open, good execution on the play.

     

    Joe Vellano, Bernard and Collins were playing in the first defensive series for the Pats, doesn't loook like Belichick is playing his first string but giving guys reps with the 1st teamers to see how they do.  It's preseason, BB doesn't think or care that the third game is supposed to be starters.

     

    Mayo over ran the screen, learn the preseason lesson.  Gregory should have made the sack.

     

    No defensive tackle beef on the field for the Pats = no pressure.

     

    Bend don't break holds after a long Lions drive, field goal.

     

    Blount returns a kick he shouldn't, takes it to the 22 yard line, pretty impressive.

     

    Thompkins still has some lessons to learn, Brady hit him in the numbers on that third down.

     

    Slater gets downfield faster than anyone I've seen on kickoffs, he is as good as advertised.

     

    Nink solid as a rock.

     

    Belichick runs nickel the entire game.

     

    Bolden really wants to make this team.

     

    And then Bolden fumbles.

     

    Kelly is a mountain of a man.

     

    Dobson good concentration.

     

    Vereen needs to follow blocks and be decisive inside.

     

    Brady can't just laser focus on Thompkins anymore than Welker, mix it up guys.

     

    Talib got burned by Bush on the screen, this is a pandemic.

     

    Harmon didn't protect the middle of the field, TD.

     

    Detroit is pretty good this year, we need to work on our special teams.

     

    Turnovers hurt.

     

    Vereen fumbles in our own end, cut them all I guess...

     

    Detroit came ready to play, Pats are asleep.

     

    Ninck lives in the opponents backfield.

     

    Soft zones for NE defense.... ok.

     

    Dobson, solid.

     

    Develin was solid, most wouldn't notice.

     

    Slay is a dirty player, rolls up Dobson in an MMA move.

     

    Thompkins will burn people, he is a route running nightmare with Brady throwing to him.

     

    Give Dobson some shots in the endzone.

     

    Vellano gets cut tomorrow.

     

    No Vince Wilfork is glaring.

     

    Vollmer is our best offensive lineman.

     

    I need a #50 Pats jersey...

     

    Wendling for Detroit is a special teams tackler.

     

    Logan Ryan got jobbed on that third down penalty, sux being a rookie.

     

    Collins comes out of nowhere... the guy finds the ball.

     

    Mallett is wild, he needs to reel it in.

     

    Harmon good special teams tackle.

     

    Adrian Wilson got some good tackling work in today.

     

    Tavon Wilson, nice stick.

     

    Blount runs downhill.

     

    Thompkins has chemistry with Brady and Mallett... it might be Thompkins.

     

    Boyce is choice.

     

    Kline shows versatility playing center.

     

    Fletcher solid.

     

    We need to defend the screen better, no Wilfork is a big reason why.

     

    All in all this was a final screen test for some bubble players, we sat a lot of regulars in the first unit.  Next game will be a better showing.

     

     

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