welker's catch would not have iced the game...

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    welker's catch would not have iced the game...

    to ensure victory (outside of scoring a touchdown) the offense would have needed one more first down. 

    otherwise they kick a fg to go up 20-15 and give the giants the ball with 2:30 to go.  there's really no reason to think the defense would have stopped them them from scoring a td. 
     
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    Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game...

    As you say, if they get a touchdown OR a 1st down, it ices the game.  Would have liked those odds.

    But it wasn't Welker's fault.  Throw was way off.
     
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    Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game...

    It may not have iced it, but it would sure as hell have chilled it a LOT.

    But the D couldn't get the winning stop again, so it's moot really.
     
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    Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game...

    BJGE ran for 5 yards and then 7 yards in a row right before Tom threw the INT. Perhaps we should have been in run mode like N.Y was and we wouldn't have turned the ball over....like we have the last 3 games against N.Y where our offense has put up a whopping 51 points.

    Perhaps if we had a pass to run ratio better then 42-17 we would have held the ball a bit longer and been able to ice the game by playing keep away.
     
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    the game wasnt welkers fault, not only was that a horrible pass but he had a great game, but the defense once again let the giants step all over them in the last couple of minutes of the game, with the help of a bad call (again!)

     
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    Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game...

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    [QUOTE]BJGE ran for 5 yards and then 7 yards in a row right before Tom threw the INT. Perhaps we should have been in run mode like N.Y was and we wouldn't have turned the ball over....like we have the last 3 games against N.Y where our offense has put up a whopping 51 points. Perhaps if we had a pass to run ratio better then 42-17 we would have held the ball a bit longer and been able to ice the game by playing keep away.
    Posted by TrueChamp[/QUOTE]

    I'm not really sure what BJGE ended up with in rushing totals during that game, but it couldn't of been much - he had a couple of decent runs, but he also had his usual little to no gains that absolutely killed drives.
     
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    [QUOTE]It may not have iced it, but it would sure as hell have chilled it a LOT. But the D couldn't get the winning stop again, so it's moot really.
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]

    The offense folds in the end game and still you're dumping on the defense, brilliant; troll.

    Three guys dropped a pass on that drive; Welker, Branch and Hernandez... so much for the high powered offense winning the ring.  If they ran early, they wouldn't be passing for their lives late.

    Simple...

    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game... : I'm not really sure what BJGE ended up with in rushing totals during that game, but it couldn't of been much - he had a couple of decent runs, but he also had his usual little to no gains that absolutely killed drives.
    Posted by mthurl[/QUOTE]

    I'll take Tom Brady trying to convert on a 3rd and 1 after two Law Firm runs over Brady trying to convert a 3rd and 15 because he got two incompletions and a sack on another all passing series, but whatever works I suppose...

     
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    [QUOTE]to ensure victory (outside of scoring a touchdown) the offense would have needed one more first down.  otherwise they kick a fg to go up 20-15 and give the giants the ball with 2:30 to go.  there's really no reason to think the defense would have stopped them them from scoring a td. 
    Posted by dennisrbaker[/QUOTE]

    It's Friday.
    Move on...
     
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    Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game...

    On the Welker drive they tried running the ball with poor results. BGJE for 3 yards, Woodhead for 1 yard, BJGE for -1 yard. The Giants were stacked up against the run that possession. The knew incomplete passes would stop the clock and there is a better chance of a mistake happening (bad throw, dropped ball, etc.) in the passing game.

    Also, there was 4:06 on the clock on the Welker play. The Giants only had one time out left plus the two minute warning, but still the Patriots would have needed two maybe three more first downs to run out the clock without scoring.
     
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    Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game...

    I think you are mistaken,the dropped pass which was catchable as it did hit his hands would have all but eliminated the Giants as it happened with 3:40 left in the game and the giants had one T. O. left each play would have eaten up over 40 seconds or 2 minutes of time  and saying that the Pats scored a FG that would have left Eli 1 minute and 20 seconds tops! to score a TD starting from his own 20,that dropped pass was definately a deal breaker! The three drops on the next drive didn't help either especially the one by Branch when he was wide open and ready to run for a long way! No biggie either way because after all is said and done my theory or anyone's theory are baseless since Welker didn't make the catch and the defense didn't stop the Giants !
     
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    The ball was in Welker' hands and pros make the catch. However there were many dropped balls and the defense choked in the clutch. The Pats should have let them get a touchdown two plays earlier. It was the entire teams fault as they are better than the Giants. Mankins is at fault as much as anyone.
     
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    [QUOTE]the game wasnt welkers fault, not only was that a horrible pass but he had a great game, but the defense once again let the giants step all over them in the last couple of minutes of the game, with the help of a bad call (again!)
    Posted by p-dogg81[/QUOTE]
    I always thought that it was a difficult catch to make. The ball was thrown to the proper side with the cover 2 safety coming over to help, but having to contort his body the way he had to made it virtually not impossible but improbable. My question is, has TB actually admitted that it was a poor throw. If he did, I missed it.
     
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    [QUOTE]BJGE ran for 5 yards and then 7 yards in a row right before Tom threw the INT. Perhaps we should have been in run mode like N.Y was and we wouldn't have turned the ball over....like we have the last 3 games against N.Y where our offense has put up a whopping 51 points. Perhaps if we had a pass to run ratio better then 42-17 we would have held the ball a bit longer and been able to ice the game by playing keep away.
    Posted by TrueChamp[/QUOTE] Not trying to place blame on anyone for that SB loss but Welker had both hands on the ball.  Granted he had to try slightly around but the ball was thrown softly which enabled him to adjust.
    As far as time left on the clock.....if the Pats do not get another first down after the proposed catch I figure they'd be less than two minutes on the clock.  The Giants only had a single timeout left and I'm betting they would not of used it.
     
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    [QUOTE]the game wasnt welkers fault, not only was that a horrible pass but he had a great game, but the defense once again let the giants step all over them in the last couple of minutes of the game, with the help of a bad call (again!)
    Posted by p-dogg81[/QUOTE]

    TB's  pass  to  Welker  was  not  a  horrible  pass.  It  may  not  have  been  a  good  pass, but  maybe  TB  didn't  lead    welker  into  being  pancaked.  In  any  case, the  ball  hit  Welker  in  both  hands  and  WW  readily  admitted  he  normally  makes  that  catch.  If  Welker  had  made  that  catch. the  common  reaction  would  have  been, "good  catch."  Not  a  "great  catch."  BTW - Manningham's  catch  was  highly  overated  as  it  was  a  perfect  throw.
        I  don't  blame  Welker  for  the  loss.  And  no  one  was  suprised  that  the  PATS' D  gave  the  Gints  the  winning  drive  in  the  last  minutes  of  the  game  for  the  3rd  consecutive  time. 
     
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    Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game...

    It was a fine pass. Watch the youtube video is slo mo. Brady intentionally lofts the ball away from the safety. When thrown it was the safest, and best, throw to make. Remember Brady is 35 yrds down the field with a skewed angle, so he has to throw it to the outside shoulder.

    Welker should've caught the ball. He just jumped too early. They win the game if he catches that ball. 
     
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    Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game...

    One play does not a victory make unless it is a walk-off.  At that time, Welker's non-catch was in the middle of a drive.  As many have pointed out, there were many more plays to go before the clock hits 00:00.  Even if the Pats had kicked at least a FG to go up 20 - 15 ...  how much faith would we have had the D would have stopped the Giants O from scoring a go ahead last second TD?  Think about that one!!
     
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    Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game...

    [QUOTE]One play does not a victory make unless it is a walk-off.  At that time, Welker's non-catch was in the middle of a drive.  As many have pointed out, there were many more plays to go before the clock hits 00:00.  Even if the Pats had kicked at least a FG to go up 20 - 15 ...  how much faith would we have had the D would have stopped the Giants O from scoring a go ahead last second TD?  Think about that one!!
    Posted by agcsbill[/QUOTE]
    I had faith that the Patriots would have held. They had been holding the Giants to field goals on their drives most of the game. Remember the Patriots let the Giants score their touchdown late because they were running out of time. I believe that they would have held.
     
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    Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game...

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    [QUOTE]One play does not a victory make unless it is a walk-off.  At that time, Welker's non-catch was in the middle of a drive.  As many have pointed out, there were many more plays to go before the clock hits 00:00.  Even if the Pats had kicked at least a FG to go up 20 - 15 ...  how much faith would we have had the D would have stopped the Giants O from scoring a go ahead last second TD?  Think about that one!!
    Posted by agcsbill[/QUOTE]

    With two minutes or more left on the clock, I would have no faith at all.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game... : The offense folds in the end game and still you're dumping on the defense, brilliant; troll. Three guys dropped a pass on that drive; Welker, Branch and Hernandez... so much for the high powered offense winning the ring.  If they ran early, they wouldn't be passing for their lives late. Simple... I'll take Tom Brady trying to convert on a 3rd and 1 after two Law Firm runs over Brady trying to convert a 3rd and 15 because he got two incompletions and a sack on another all passing series, but whatever works I suppose...
    Posted by wozzy[/QUOTE]

    plenty of blame to go around, bad offensive game plan, D didn't let up many points but really couldn't get off the field either, nor was able to stop the Giants on their last offensive possession. Two fumbles forced, but none recovered. Offense gives up a pick. Simply not good enough in any of the 3 phases of the game.
     
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    Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game...

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    [QUOTE]I think you are mistaken,the dropped pass which was catchable as it did hit his hands would have all but eliminated the Giants as it happened with 3:40 left in the game and the giants had one T. O. left each play would have eaten up over 40 seconds or 2 minutes of time  and saying that the Pats scored a FG that would have left Eli 1 minute and 20 seconds tops! to score a TD starting from his own 20,that dropped pass was definately a deal breaker! The three drops on the next drive didn't help either especially the one by Branch when he was wide open and ready to run for a long way! No biggie either way because after all is said and done my theory or anyone's theory are baseless since Welker didn't make the catch and the defense didn't stop the Giants !
    Posted by sportsbozo1[/QUOTE]
    hmmm, catchable...yes, easy? no.

    welker was looking over his right shoulder, ball thrown high over left shoulder, welker had to jump for the ball and do a 180 in the air? hmmmmm....
     
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    Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game...

    We lost the game. Deal with it people. Move on. Could, should, had to, didnt. MOVE ON.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game... : I'm not really sure what BJGE ended up with in rushing totals during that game, but it couldn't of been much - he had a couple of decent runs, but he also had his usual little to no gains that absolutely killed drives.
    Posted by mthurl[/QUOTE]

    Benny has 44 yards on 10 carries. Woodhead, 18 yards on 7. They combined for 3.6 yac. Rather dismal in total.
     
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    Re: welker's catch would not have iced the game...

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    [QUOTE]the game wasnt welkers fault, not only was that a horrible pass but he had a great game, but the defense once again let the giants step all over them in the last couple of minutes of the game, with the help of a bad call (again!)
    Posted by p-dogg81[/QUOTE]

    You're right. Yet another D FAIL in the endgame lost it. But Wes should have caught that ball. Most receivers do catch a ball that hits them in both hands. He just flubbed it. Otherwise he played well.
     

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