What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative?

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : Social Security would have been fine, if they didn't keep stealing the money from it for other things.
    Posted by BabeParilli[/QUOTE]


    Completely agree.  In fact, Social Security could be fixed with a relatively small tax increase.  It should be protected because if it's not, a lot of Americans won't have any money at all when they're too old to work.  The reality is that old-fashioned pensions are mostly gone and 401(k)s aren't working because most Americans don't save enough in them.  Unless Social Security is preserved and strengthened, there will be a huge retirement crisis in the states in about 15 years.  The savings data from 401(k)s is scary bad.  I know, I worked in the industry for many years. 



     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : There are two things wrong with this characterization.  OWS isn't looking to overthrow the current government or put the richer class in camps so that they can be systematically exterminated. Second of all the Jews were not responsible for Germany's economic predicament.  The treaty of Versaille and getting owned in WWI saw to that.  It is pretty easy to make a case that Wall St. is at least partially responsible for the current economic troubles in this country.
    Posted by pcmIV[/QUOTE]

    1) I never said the OWS movement was the nazi party just to point out to Rusty that the OWS has just as much resemblance to the nzi party as the tea party does

    2) I mentioned the word perceived multiple times. Of course the Jewish people didn't cause the economic turmoil but since they had the majority of bank and invest positions they were villianized as the people who did cause it allowing a ruling body to control the fear inherent in people during an economic crisis.

    Please, and I mean please don't take what I said as saying that the OWS group are nazi's because they aren't obviously but I hate when the OWS side points to the tea party and call them nazi's when the OWS crowd as has similar traits to the early nazi party and vice versa when the tea party people point to the OWS people and say they are commies because there are also similarities in when the communist party took power and the tea party movement

     
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    [QUOTE]Unless these protesters bought tickets to the game, it shouldn't be a problem. I'm happy to see that opposing parties on this "Sports" Forum haven't acted the same way they do in Congress. The funny thing for me is that although there will always be parts of me that will be a Massachusetts Lib, throughout the years I've adopted enough Conservative Views that there is no party that represents me right now.  There are parts of the fringe ie; Tea Party, Green Party that appeal to me but unfortunately they both manage to go to extremes.   If this protest is about wages, then I suppose it's about the right to work for slave wages so we can compete with the Chinese and that su----cks.   Unfortunately both major parties are owned lock stock and barrel by Wall Street and want us to fight over the red meat issues that we always fight over. This is a diversion.  However, if our elected politicians are going to act like wh---ores then I will hold my nose and vote for whoever is putting out for me (even if it's just a little bit).  This is the way it has always been but in recent times it is much more in our faces.   My thoughts of a party or person that is going to save us are all gone.  I'm in survival mode.   This is why the New England Patriots and other great things in my life take precedent over sleazy politicians and whatever garbage they are spewing on any given day.   JMNSHO     :)
    Posted by NCPatsFan1971[/QUOTE]

    Great post, IMO.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : the one indisputable truth that I hope we can all agree on is that ultimately, it was the fault of the French.  Per usual. that, and Sunday can't get here fast enough.
    Posted by fatsam72[/QUOTE]

    YES!!!! Damned French, leave our ladies alone.

    Great Gore Vidal (I think it was him) quote, "The Canadiens could have had it all...British culture, French food, and American technology.  Instead, they got British food, American culture, and French technology."

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : 1) I never said the OWS movement was the nazi party just to point out to Rusty that the OWS has just as much resemblance to the nzi party as the tea party does 2) I mentioned the word perceived multiple times. Of course the Jewish people didn't cause the economic turmoil but since they had the majority of bank and invest positions they were villianized as the people who did cause it allowing a ruling body to control the fear inherent in people during an economic crisis.
    Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]

    I'm not accusing you of comparing OWS to Nazis or saying you thought the Jews caused the economic crisis in Germany.  I was just pointing out what I thought to be holes in the similarities you provided.  The point I was trying to make in my original response to you was that OWS anger towards Wall St. has some basis in reality whereas the Nazis' anger towards the Jews did not.  In addition the way in which that anger is being channelled is a lot different.  Sorry if it came off differently.
     
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    [QUOTE]What I got from this thread is ... The Giants are Nazis. I knew it!
    Posted by nyjoseph[/QUOTE]

    Patriots fan base = New England = the greater metro Boston region = some Bostonians = those descendents of the Sons of Liberty = the original Tea Party, ergo Patriots = Tea Party vs. Giants = Nazis.  Right?

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : Let me do it like this. We'll do a visual thing here: Communism--- />--Socialism-- />Liberalism---Center--- />Conservatism--- />Absolute Monarchy--->Tea---->Nazism The Tea Party is closer to Nazism now before it was born as such.  Yes.
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    technically that should be a circle with communism connected back up to nazism. OWS..although hard to pin down is mixed in where socialism is.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : Right, but the gov't stil got bigger when he rasied taxes in 1982, as a strategic measure. You can't change history, here.   For example, Dems might argue that we didn't need to spend money on Star Wars or NASA, etc, and then complainn about the defecit when he left office, wishing he conceded more on social programs and investment in those areas. The bottom line is, the majority of Americans are morons and just see and R or a D and check off that box because their parents told them to. It's true.  The average American has no idea how to break down these concepts and talk about politics and history like this.
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    Or their parents told them not to, and they did it to rebel against those old farts.

     
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    [QUOTE]Eliminate the noise. Established parties want concentration of power. Dems want Gov. to be all powerful Rep. want Corps. to be all powerful Same thing in the end..innefficient  centralization. All other issues like moral issues,, religious issues, tax breaks , food stamps...are diversions used to concentrate power in these two parties and in turn in the hands of the people behind the parties. The tea party and occupy movements are more similar than they think...alas both are tainted by their roots on the right and left and cannot cut through the BS.
    Posted by patsbandwagonsince76[/QUOTE]

    Please stop.  Your posts are way too profund and making the rest of us look petty.  Let we rats fight, I say!

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : I'm not accusing you of comparing OWS to Nazis or saying you thought the Jews caused the economic crisis in Germany.  I was just pointing out what I thought to be holes in the similarities you provided.  The point I was trying to make in my original response to you was that OWS anger towards Wall St. has some basis in reality whereas the Nazis' anger towards the Jews did not.  In addition the way in which that anger is being channelled is a lot different.  Sorry if it came off differently.
    Posted by pcmIV[/QUOTE]

    No problem I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being linked to the nazi party. Any chance of that happening I wanted to nip in the bud

     
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    Repeal the Constitution!
     
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    You are either for the Constituion or against it. Most of New England is against it. The irony of that is beyond the realm of understanding.
     
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    [QUOTE]Eliminate the noise. Established parties want concentration of power. Dems want Gov. to be all powerful Rep. want Corps. to be all powerful Same thing in the end..innefficient  centralization. All other issues like moral issues,, religious issues, tax breaks , food stamps...are diversions used to concentrate power in these two parties and in turn in the hands of the people behind the parties. The tea party and occupy movements are more similar than they think...alas both are tainted by their roots on the right and left and cannot cut through the BS.
    Posted by patsbandwagonsince76[/QUOTE]


    Excellent!  You are absolutely 100% Correct.  

    The PTB need these diversions in order to maintain control.   Wall Street is going to put their money behind the party most likely to win.   Fighting over Red Meat issues plays right into their hands.  

     
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    One more contributing factor people miss of WWI: Germany was a new country and was woefully self-conscious of itself.  It has perpetually suffered a collectively low self esteem.  Militarism and nationalism were all the rage in the day, and Germany was determined to be the life of the party, building a huge arsenal before WWI.  The British would be damned before they let their suddenly fading empire slip away quietly, so they stirred the Serbian nationalists and...
     
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    Awesome!  Somebody gave me a pity vote for "petrulli oil". 

    Can I get one for "Daytona 500"?
     
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    The Constitution is just an instrument of oppression by the rich white man.  Burn it to the ground I say.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : The Tea Party seems to consist mostly of old people who haven't yet realized that the massive government expenditures they're so upset about are in fact their own Social Security checks and Medicare payments. 
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]

    Yes, I LOVE someone who can't pay attention. The money collected from your paycheck every pay period and designated for SSI isn't even sent to DC for THAT reason!!! Back in the 60's the libs in Congres saw this "fund" as a great source of govt spending, and have been blowing it ever since. I won't bore you with the fact that SSI was never intended to be THE retirement vehicle for Americans. it was only to supplement their own nest egg they allegedly/supposedly set aside for themselves. 

    The biggest problem is that folks are getting SSI who have never worked a day in their lives (spouses and dependent children). They've done nothing to put the SSI earmarked money into govt coffers, yet feel entitled to extracting as much benefit for as long as they possibly can out of it. The deceased may have put $X into the "fund", but the "survivors" are taking $X times 5" out of it. SOMEONE's got to make up that money. Simple math: $X goes in, $X times 5 goes out = DEFECIT.

    Tea Party folks are simply saying it's time to get off the tax and spend merry-go-round. The problem is NOT the source or flow of revenue, it's how it's spent, er, blown. Take this garbage called "green/renewable energy". Think the Solyndra debacle wasn't going to happen? The intellectual morons riding point on this stuff can't seem to figure out that it's what us simple folks call "not cost efficient". Govt subsidies and grants don't make it that way either.
     
    Tea Part folks don't like it when Obamaramadingdong claims that Stimulus 2 is needed because of the infrastructure, and all those shovel ready jobs just waiting to happen. The Money is shelled out, and union hacks benefitted. Then, Old Big Ears has the audacity to go on national TV, cuckle, and say that "perhaps those jobs aren't as shovel ready as we thought". Nice, for over a billion blown dollars. But, that's OK, as he could always fall back on the "Blame Bush" rhetoric.
    That seems to have run its course.

    Sorry, but harping on a $4trillion deficit that you turn into $14trillion in 3 years is NOT very credible.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : Yes, I LOVE someone who can't pay attention. The money collected from your paycheck every pay period and designated for SSI isn't even sent to DC for THAT reason!!! Back in the 60's the libs in Congres saw this "fund" as a great source of govt spending, and have been blowing it ever since. I won't bore you with the fact that SSI was never intended to be THE retirement vehicle for Americans. it was only to supplement their own nest egg they allegedly/supposedly set aside for themselves.  The biggest problem is that folks are getting SSI who have never worked a day in their lives (spouses and dependent children). They've done nothing to put the SSI earmarked money into govt coffers, yet feel entitled to extracting as much benefit for as long as they possibly can out of it. The deceased may have put $X into the "fund", but the "survivors" are taking $X times 5" out of it. SOMEONE's got to make up that money. Simple math: $X goes in, $X times 5 goes out = DEFECIT. Tea Party folks are simply saying it's time to get off the tax and spend merry-go-round. The problem is NOT the source or flow of revenue, it's how it's spent, er, blown. Take this garbage called "green/renewable energy". Think the Solyndra debacle wasn't going to happen? The intellectual morons riding point on this stuff can't seem to figure out that it's what us simple folks call "not cost efficient". Govt subsidies and grants don't make it that way either.   Tea Part folks don't like it when Obamaramadingdong claims that Stimulus 2 is needed because of the infrastructure, and all those shovel ready jobs just waiting to happen. The Money is shelled out, and union hacks benefitted. Then, Old Big Ears has the audacity to go on national TV, cuckle, and say that "perhaps those jobs aren't as shovel ready as we thought". Nice, for over a billion blown dollars. But, that's OK, as he could always fall back on the "Blame Bush" rhetoric. That seems to have run its course. Sorry, but harping on a $4trillion deficit that you turn into $14trillion in 3 years is NOT very credible.
    Posted by AZPAT[/QUOTE]


    It was kind of a joke AZPAT. 


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : I would agree. Just keep in mind, Socialiasm isn';t all that evil like Communism is.  I don't agree with it, but there's a difference between an evil, violent version of Socialism (Communism) and Socialist principles. Sweden likes their Socialism and good for them.
    Posted by RustyGriswold[/QUOTE]

    Yup your are correct, true Communism is the ultimate equitable system in theory but evil in practice.

    Applied... communism overides individuality when applied to real people and goes against our nature, therefore it needs to be enforced through the center...the ultimate dogmatic and oppresive system results. Who'd a thunk?
     
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    What is so ideal about communism?  People can't do whatever they want, they have to live their lives in accordance with some loser's vision. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What do you think of The Occupy the Super Bowl initiative? : Yes, I LOVE someone who can't pay attention. The money collected from your paycheck every pay period and designated for SSI isn't even sent to DC for THAT reason!!! Back in the 60's the libs in Congres saw this "fund" as a great source of govt spending, and have been blowing it ever since. I won't bore you with the fact that SSI was never intended to be THE retirement vehicle for Americans. it was only to supplement their own nest egg they allegedly/supposedly set aside for themselves.  The biggest problem is that folks are getting SSI who have never worked a day in their lives (spouses and dependent children). They've done nothing to put the SSI earmarked money into govt coffers, yet feel entitled to extracting as much benefit for as long as they possibly can out of it. The deceased may have put $X into the "fund", but the "survivors" are taking $X times 5" out of it. SOMEONE's got to make up that money. Simple math: $X goes in, $X times 5 goes out = DEFECIT. Tea Party folks are simply saying it's time to get off the tax and spend merry-go-round. The problem is NOT the source or flow of revenue, it's how it's spent, er, blown. Take this garbage called "green/renewable energy". Think the Solyndra debacle wasn't going to happen? The intellectual morons riding point on this stuff can't seem to figure out that it's what us simple folks call "not cost efficient". Govt subsidies and grants don't make it that way either.   Tea Part folks don't like it when Obamaramadingdong claims that Stimulus 2 is needed because of the infrastructure, and all those shovel ready jobs just waiting to happen. The Money is shelled out, and union hacks benefitted. Then, Old Big Ears has the audacity to go on national TV, cuckle, and say that "perhaps those jobs aren't as shovel ready as we thought". Nice, for over a billion blown dollars. But, that's OK, as he could always fall back on the "Blame Bush" rhetoric. That seems to have run its course. Sorry, but harping on a $4trillion deficit that you turn into $14trillion in 3 years is NOT very credible.
    Posted by AZPAT[/QUOTE]



    So here we go with my party is better than your party.  

    I don't know you Arizona but I voted for LBJ in 1964 who protected us from the North Vietmanese and the threat of the Domino Theory. :(  And In 1972 I voted for Tricky Dicky who promised us "Peace With Honor" in Vietnam.  Then in 1975 with 58,000 American Lives lost along with countless American wounded, we left Vietnam not as victors but with a gigantic question of why?

    In 1976, I voted for Carter and watched helplessly as the Iranians gave us the finger during the hostage crisis.  We were told to wear sweaters and turn our thermostats down to 60 because we were running out of oil.

    In 1980 and 1984, I voted for Reagan as he was a pretty good salesman and I thought he would help bring back some respect as a nation.  I think he accomplished this as a whole.  Unfortunately, along comes Iran/Contra, Ed Meese et,al, while the sleeze factor reared its ugly head.  

    In 1988, I voted for Dukakis because he was the home team and I just didn't like Bush 1.  

    In 1992 and 1996 I voted for Clinton because I thought he was the best salesman that I had ever seen.  Unfortunately a $40,000,000 BJ helped ruin his legacy.  But when I look back on it now, he was really a new world order guy which actually has to bring America's Standard of Living Down while bringing the rest of the world's up. This was not a good thing. But when I look at the alternatives of Bush 1 and Dole?

    There was no way I could vote for Bush 2 under any circumstances.  But he got elected and I looked forward to a Campain promise to have community health clinics set up all across America to help sick people who fell through the cracks. I'm still waiting.  Then he digs Saaadam out of a rat hole in the name of weapons of mass destruction.  4,000 to 5,000 American Lives lost and Billions of dollars later, Iraq is how much better off?  

    I voted for Obama because I couldn't stand Palin and McCain had lost too many steps.   I thought that Obama might help bring about the necessary changes in Wall Street, and Corporate America as a whole.  But no.  Nada - All Wind and No Rain.  His vision was for a rebuilding of our nationwide electrical grid along with better use of natural gas etc.  No, Nada.  Acturally the only change in my electrical grid was that I put a 30 Amp receptacle in my shed.   And of course we have the matter of Afganistan that no country has ever been able to tame going back to Ghengis Kahn.   

    So there you have it.  47 Years of listening and believing that politicians could actually accomplish what they promised.

    The bottom line is that there is no such thing as my party is better than your party - not when they are all scum bags.  


     

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