What is a "real" Pats fan?

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    What is a "real" Pats fan?

    I started this in another thread, but I didn't want to hijack the thread. And more importantly, I didn't want it to be seen as a personal attack because it's not.

    There seems to be a recurring theme here, or an ongoing battle of ideologies
    There are two sides. First you have the zealots. These are the people that if Belichick were to trade Brady, Welker and Bodden for a collection of 5th round draft picks, would find a way to spin it into a positive and attack anybody that dared question his genius. Then you have the people that aren't going to be happy until we have an All Pro at every position. They want some sort of fantasy Madden roster. Plus they just like to complain anyway.Neither camp is going to convert the other.

    Then there are the normal Pats fans, which I think are the majority, that realize there is a happy medium. I do think the Pats will be in decent shape in a couple of years. But I will continue to question some the questionable decisions coming out of this organization such as the coordinator mess. I don't think being a Pats fan requires blind faith in the team. And I really take issue with people that think they have the right to decide who is and isn't a "real" Pats fan.

    Some guy ripping the Patriots because they didn't trade for Brandon Marshall doesn't mean he's not a Pats fan. If he wasn't a Pats fan, he wouldn't be complaining. He wouldn't care. I don't agree with him. But I can respect his passion.

    It's like the Jason Varitek thing.  I caught on to the fact the he had lost it long before most in Red Sox Nation would admit it. So I got slammed anytime I dared to say anything negative about "Captain" Somehow I wasn't a "real" Sox fan. But that's not true, I was just tired of watching him kill the team with his bat.

    Fandom doesn't require blind, ignorant faith and love for anything to do with the team. I might be negative, frustrated, and sometimes, just flat out wrong. But above all, I am passionate. Don't get me wrong, sports have their place in my life and it's not number one. Nor should it be for anybody. But I am there if my team is a contender or a doormat- like the Celtics were couple of years ago. That's what a real fan is.

    I don't think the Sox have enough firepower in their lineup to contend for a World Series. But I'm going to sit back and hope for the best. Hopefully it isn't a  fatal flaw like it was in the ALCS against Tampa a couple of years ago. But I understand if somebody wants to complain about it on a messageboard. That's kind of the point.

    I think some of us forget we are in the minority. Most people are casual sports fans or not at all. I work with about 25 people. Maybe three of them are real sports fans. My girlfriend? Could care less about any of it. I bet the average person on the street couldn't name 10 current Patriots. I have a few friends that are hardcore and we watch some of the games together. But most of our conversations don't involve sports. This site is a bit of a sanctuary. And the perfect place to vent. Maybe it's just me, but I don't know too many people that care if the Pats signed Vince Wilfork or not, or even know who he is for that matter. I had a work friend (a guy) that claims to be a Pats fan come up to me one day and ask if the Pats were playing that night. On a Tuesday.

    If somebody comes here and vents, it doesn't make them less of a fan. So can we cut all the "not a real fan" digs. In this community it  is probably the cheapest shot you can take at somebody. And 99% of the time it is unjustified. 


     
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    as a dolphins fan who loves the team no matter what...IMO, a real pats fan is one who cheered on the team before 01 and will cheer it on after brady and belichick leave and the pats are once again just like every other franchise and espn stops constantly brown nosing the team...the real fans are the ones that stay through thick and thin
     
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    dafoe and jimmy - Both well said. I've been a Pats fan since my father brought me to my first game in 91' and sat me on the freezing cold metal bleachers. This past offseason I lost it and needed a place to vent after the deal fell through for Boldin yet because of that 1 day of frustrated I was instantly called a bandwagon fan, madden fan, and a host of other things from people I've never even seen on the board before. It really erks me when you are shoved into either being a zealot or a bandwagon fan depending on how you feel about an issue. I don't think they need to sign every big name FA out there yet I felt they should have went after 1 or 2 players I had high hopes for. Being a true fan to me is putting passion into the team. You don't have to do a lot but most of us on here enjoy looking up potential draft picks and players we'd like to pick up in FA. We enjoy having dicussions here about topics and players. IMO the true fans are the ones that want to add something to that disussion, bring a point of view and reasons behind their thoughts. Those who just come on here and rip other people without giving reasons (regardless if they are a "zealot" or "bandwagon" fan) and think they know better then everyone else just aren't real fans IMO.
     
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    How about standing in ankle deep urine at every home game, traffic, the big , big brawls in the stands, the fowl mothed drunk's etc.etc. For what 2-14 season, 4-12, 8-8 if we were lucky. I was there for the good,the bad and the ugly!
     
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    waaa waaa you crybaby
     
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    A real Pats fan will watch every game of a 1-15 season and still be a fan the next year.
     
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    This is a real fan:




    This is some other kind of thing:





     
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    "As a dolphins fan who loves the team no matter what...IMO, a real pats fan is one who cheered on the team before 01 and will cheer it on after brady and belichick leave and the pats are once again just like every other franchise and espn stops constantly brown nosing the team...the real fans are the ones that stay through thick and thin."
     
    EXACTLY...but just a start.  You have to have been a Patriot Fan PRE-2001, for No LESS than 5 seasons (IF you weren't born, or you were too young to care...I don't-so you're out).  During that time (pre-2001), You need to have gone to a game at Sullivan Stadium during a time in the season when the weather was 45 degrees or below (also: IF you brought one of those padded b#tt-seats, then you need to have gone to no less than pre-2001 3 games...46 degree weather?  Nope, you're out).  During that time (pre-2001), You need to have owned at LEAST 2 New England Patriots forms of memorabillia (IF zero of said artifacts had/have the old logo on it, THEN you need 4 NE Patriots name-saked merchandise...Drew Bledsoe jersey's count as half in BOTH circumstances...  Oh, you have 3 1/2 forms of  Patriot Memorabillia, good for you...You're Out).  IF a close relative was NOT a long-time NE Patriot Fan before you, yourself were (grandfather, father, uncle-IF your dad's dead), THEN you need written documentation of how and roughly when you became a New England Patriot Fan (IF you have been a NE Pats Fan PRE-1980, this amendment need not apply-You're in).  You NEED to be able to name at LEAST 4 players from the 1985-86 Superbowl-playing team withOUT looking them up anywhere (this is easy c'mon-not just Hannah, Fryar, Eason, and Grogan, but c'mon now-Andre Tippet, Stephen Starling (sp?), Craig James, Tony Collins, Raymond Clayborn, Mosi Tatupu...THIS should really be harder considering I was like 10 years old or something...so perhaps 5 roster players).  You NEED to be OVER the age of 18 years old (sorry, this would make you like 8 or 9 when NE sarted this current winning tradition early this past decade, So ALL you've really know is the winning tradition, and there's NO freak legacies allowed in my suddenly successful frat who haven't suffered...oh, you turn 18 tommorrow do you?  (*spit) Go become a Jaguars fan).  

    ~See there...That wasn't so hard, was it?  I lowered my pre-qualifications from either having choked on the nachos or hot-dogs at least once at the old stadium along with a life-long pure animosity towards Jim McMahon and ray-bans, so consider everyone who just barely passed this easier test, LUCKY...      
     
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    i agree with what you are saying... being a "real" fan has different meanings to everyone.  to me personally, being a real fan is about standing by the pats when they're winning, and when theyre losing.  being a real pats fan is about having the same attitude toward the team in 1990-1993 as you did in 2001, 2003, and 2004.
     
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    Someone who still hates Ben Dreith.
     
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    I  just got a call from Stephen Starring, Laz.

    You're out.

     
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    Everyone on this Board is a real Pats Fan except for the trolls.There are just different kinds of fans.

    The Self righteous fan who says, "If you don't scream as loud as me and root the way I do, your not a real fan"

    The radical face painters who are hard core and have their entire house decked out in Pats paraphernalia and bumper stickers all over their car.

    The Angry fan who expects the Pats to win every game and kicks their dog when they don't.

    The Happy fan who drinks wine and eats cheese and the game is more of a social event than a sport.

    And the Practical fan who analyzes each game and tries to figure out what we need to do to win the next game. The practical fan is also part angry fan when their is an obvious slug on the team that should be euthanized.

    We're all just one big happy family
     
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    I love it.  Your a zealot if your not going nuts over the patriots not signing a free agent in the first days of free agency.  come on brother. 

    A real patriot fan is someone who sticks by their team.  end of story.  Now to get a little deeper, its your duty to question everything in this country.  Its the American way, however, give the patriots some time before jumping down their throats about player movement.  Thats all, just tired of the instant gratification types screaming for marginal free agent talent at overpriced levels.   free agency just started.

    and if you really believe julius peppers or karlos dansby are worth the money they got, you really don't know football and should keep your mouth shut.  dansby is great, but a tackler and not a sack specialist, which is what the patriots need.  a la peppers who is a jamarcuss russell type player.  show me the money and i'm taking it easy.
     
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    " As a dolphins fan who loves the team no matter what...IMO, a real pats fan is one who cheered on the team before 01 and will cheer it on after brady and belichick leave and the pats are once again just like every other franchise and espn stops constantly brown nosing the team...the real fans are the ones that stay through thick and thin ."   EXACTLY...but just a start.  You have to have been a Patriot Fan PRE-2001, for No LESS than 5 seasons (IF you weren't born, or you were too young to care...I don't-so you're out).  During that time (pre-2001), You need to have gone to a game at Sullivan Stadium during a time in the season when the weather was 45 degrees or below (also: IF you brought one of those padded b#tt-seats, then you need to have gone to no less than pre-2001 3 games...46 degree weather?  Nope, you're out).  During that time (pre-2001), You need to have owned at LEAST 2 New England Patriots forms of memorabillia (IF zero of said artifacts had/have the old logo on it, THEN you need 4 NE Patriots name-saked merchandise...Drew Bledsoe jersey's count as half in BOTH circumstances...  Oh, you have 3 1/2 forms of  Patriot Memorabillia, good for you...You're Out).  IF a close relative was NOT a long-time NE Patriot Fan before you, yourself were (grandfather, father, uncle-IF your dad's dead), THEN you need written documentation of how and roughly when you became a New England Patriot Fan (IF you have been a NE Pats Fan PRE-1980, this amendment need not apply-You're in).  You NEED to be able to name at LEAST 4 players from the 1985-86 Superbowl-playing team withOUT looking them up anywhere (this is easy c'mon-not just Hannah, Fryar, Eason, and Grogan, but c'mon now-Andre Tippet, Stephen Starling (sp?), Craig James, Tony Collins, Raymond Clayborn, Mosi Tatupu...THIS should really be harder considering I was like 10 years old or something...so perhaps 5 roster players).  You NEED to be OVER the age of 18 years old (sorry, this would make you like 8 or 9 when NE sarted this current winning tradition early this past decade, So ALL you've really know is the winning tradition, and there's NO freak legacies allowed in my suddenly successful frat who haven't suffered...oh, you turn 18 tommorrow do you?  (*spit) Go become a Jaguars fan).   ~See there...That wasn't so hard, was it?  I lowered my pre-qualifications from either having choked on the nachos or hot-dogs at least once at the old stadium along with a life-long pure animosity towards Jim McMahon and ray-bans, so consider everyone who just barely passed this easier test, LUCKY...      
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    I agree with this post.  I am in my mod 50's and have seen this team go tthough its  interestestng and at times surreal history and play.

    Part of being a fan is being fanatical (hece the name fan) about the team. I have bought tickets, have been a seasn ticket holder at Sulliven (durring the Parcell years. Unfortunatly I'm on disability and get to Foxboro rarley now), and invested more time then I would like to admit following this team.

    When Nixon was President many Americans(primarily Nixon supporters) were fond of saying my counrty right or wrong.  One of the many thingsof the great aspects about the US if you disagree with the government, not only can you disagree, many would say you should make your opions heard.

    It is not the Patriots right or wrong or in BB we trust.  The guy isn't god.  Damn it. we have lost a steady stream of players on defense since our super bowl wins, and they without replacing them.  Our second and third roud draft picks have not made the team, except last years crop.

    I am going to question every transaction or non transaction I feel appropriate.    Those of you who feel it is sacriegious, be damned


     
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    Hi folks, first game I went to was at Fenway park in a snow storm against Buffalo.  I have followed them around the country for years and win or lose you still follow them with the passion.  Same for all the Boston teams. I have been unhappy to see some players go and could not understand the reason behind it, but as has been said before, I will always be a fan until I am looking at the wrong side of the grass.  Go Pat, Sox,Celts, and Bruins.   
     
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    C'mon Prairie...what did I name 10 players...that MORE than secures the 5 criterion (especially for a 10 year old)? 

    Allow me to tell you a little story of my youth prairie and ALL...When I was right about 10 or 11, me and my neighborhood best friend made a makeshift time capsule out of a shoe box or something, which we were both supposed to put in our most cherished items:  For me, I had the entire Patriots Roster I singled out from a 1986 brown-boxed Topps NFL Football full-box year of their SB season, For my buddy, ALL he offered was a beat-up chewed-on-by-a-dog, busted up GI Joe figure of minor importance (didn't even have a gun, or anything).  I remember being kinda ticked-off at the time, but it took me a full week to dig up the "time capsule" in order to retrieve my cherished, but now rain-withered NE roster (what I mean to say is: the "r" Stephen Starring's name musta been blotted to an "l"...yea that's it).  Sometime later my bud asked me about what happened to the time capsule we buried... 

    So, I told him the truth:  I took back my cherished Pats Team and threw his worthless piece of junk down the cliff.  He's lucky that action figure had a week of fame next to the immortality of the '86 Patriots...  I mean, just because your family's poor, doesn't give you the right to debase the collected cherished and sacred mementos of the "Da Converse All-STAR tiMe cApsool of tHa FUUtre", does it?  I mean, he coulda stole something (for me to inevitably take).  Finally I told my buddy, who started crying after I told him that Snake Eyes was somewhere at the bottom of the ravine and probably broken, "Look, I personally don't blame you for wrecking this whole endeavor and making people of the future think that we're some sort of neanderthals in this present time.  But c'mon, You really shoulda thought ahead on this one, Nate.  IF I was you tonight, I'd take a cold, hard look at myself in the mirror, and ask myself, 'Am I really worthy of having such an incredible best as I do now?'  So alright, seeing as how we ARE best buds forever, or at least UNTIL I'm old enough to drive anything other than a bicycle's ride outta this stink!n' neighborhood of l#sers, We Can forget about this whole thing.  Heck, I won't even tell your mom how you tried to wreck this whole thing...but ONLY if you go swipe a couple of pudding pops outta your fridge, O.k.?"   Scr#w that kid, Just because his dad was a Bears Fan, He said that He was a Bears' Fan too.  So I don't care IF he was only 9 years old or what, overall he's got pretty questionable ethics imo living in New England and rooting for Chicage in the '86 SB...         
     
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    A real Patriots fan would pick the boogers out of Belichick's nose and eat them. Everyone else is just a wannabe
     
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    waaa waaa you crybaby
    Posted by timsandra

     

    So you are on an internet forum and you just couldn't resist whining about somebody whining. 

    But apparently you are too self absorbed to see the irony and hypocrisy in your actions. Unreal. 

     
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    A real Patriots fan would pick the boogers out of Belichick's nose and eat them. Everyone else is just a wannabe
    Posted by patsfaninpa420


    This kind of thing right here should not be encouraged.

    All kidding aside, I will say this:

    I have no problem with new generation fan. I chuckle a little at some of the criticism that comes down on a team that just won its division (yet again), but a time is going to come when this team will again face the kind of hard times that only some of us know about. It's bound to happen sooner or later, and when it does, we will find out all we need to know about new generation fan. He will either stick around or he will go back to wherever it is he came from (rooting for the Yankees . . .  probably) and those of us who remain will not notice he is gone -- or if we do, we will be glad of it. As for the die-hards, I don't make any distinction between the guy who questions everything management does or the guy who would drive his car into the Connecticut River if Belichick suggested it might help the Pats' pass rush. Somebody in an earlier post pointed out (correctly) that the term "fan" is a diminutive of fanatic. We are not expected to be reasonable.

    I like to think of a "real" fan as a guy sitting on those old bleachers in a -20 degree windchill watching the hapless Pats stumble around in the snow against . . .  oh, I don't know . . .   Miami. Why is he there? What is wrong with this guy that he can't see the folly of freezing his @ss off so he can witness the outcome of a game that means absolutely nothing in the greater scheme of things?

    What's wrong with him?

    He's a fan, that's what's wrong with him.


     
     
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    "Then there are the normal Pats fans, which I think are the majority, that realize there is a happy medium."

    What's normal?
     
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    I myself am a hard-core fan. What does this mean? Very simple. While most people pay to watch the Patriots on a sports channel (wossies), I risk life and limb and hack my way into satelite systems just to watch them. I forego all repugnant rules and take the challenge and risk just to see my glorius team at work. Do I care? You bet your sweet azzz I do. Oh how the days of JIM PLUNKETT and long neck STEVE GROGAN come back to mind. The dismal years of the very mafia related Sullivan family and their antics, of bashing my head against walls in 1985 after the SHIET_CARGO Bears blew them out of the Super Bowl. Yes, yes I was one of those wander'ers, when the NFL was a smash your mouth spit in your eye kind of game that left you weak, tired, hungry but wanting even more! The good ole days of Steroids and guys like Lyle Alzado and Brooke Shields. Now its a different kind of league, a goody two shoes run fairy game with no more brutality and gut wrenching hits that kill your whole family. A fan you ask, what makes a football fan? I say killer instinct, smack jaw low blow catch if you can type fooball. You gotta play it to like it, and some of you Sally's out here just aing got the guts! Go ahead, knock this battery off my shoulder, I dare you!!!!Yell
     
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    I'm from Atlanta and I'm a Patriots fan. By some of your definitions, I can't be an official fan since I didn't sit through the years of losing seasons. There are two stories that explain my affinity for the Patriots.

    Before their win against the Rams, I remember seeing a story about how the Rams: Super Bowl Champion shirts were already being sold in the streets of New Orleans. That stood out to me because never had I seen such a potentially lop-sided game. Then, when they ran out as a team, even though it was against the rules at the time, that just blew my mind. I told myself, you know what? This team's going to win tonight.

    The second story involves my uncle who died later that same year. He was a casual fan so he obviously thought the Rams would win. He made one of those friendly bets with me for $20. When the Patriots won, I remember running around his basement (with 50 other men watching the game) celebrating. It was one of the few cinderella stories I had seen. That bet paired with their improbable win and his death later that year are all forged into my memory forever.

    I also fly up for at least one game a year which makes my trip to see the Patriots much more expensive than a local fan but that doesn't mean I'm a bigger fan. Here's a photo from the Miami game last year:





    With that said, I think it's all subjective. There are die-hard fans that jump off bridges when we don't get marquee players. Then there are also fans that could care less but still say, 'guys, it's only March.' None of us are in any position to deem other fans worthy or not. As long as we all root hard for the Patriots every Sunday, what's the big deal
     
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    SamAdams, you're right. I'm in the middle of fairweather fan central (Atlanta) and it absolutely blows.

    Our faithful stood at the Falcons/Eagles came chearing "We want Vick. We want Vick" Uh, you have perhaps the next Tom Brady in Matt Ryan and you're cheering for that guy? That's because of the lack of education, intelligence and passion for sports down here.
     
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    yaaaawwwnnnn
     
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    For me, being a good Pats fan means following the day-to-day goings on with the team, like many of us do here.

    Twenty years ago, being a Patriots fan in Indiana was almost impossible. I NEVER got see them on television, I couldn't get my hands on any memorabilia, and the team was irrelevant.

    A lot has changed since then. With advancements in game coverage, there's no reason I ever have to miss a game. Because of the internet, I'm able to keep up with EVERY move the team makes and have accumulated enough jerseys to suit up a team.

    I check this particular site 95 days out of 100. How many casual fans have any idea of all the transactions that take place during the year? The technology- the age we live in- has actually made me a better fan than I ever thought I could be.

    I guess that's why I'm not very critical of the team. Even if they make questionable moves, I guess I really don't care. I'm so captivated by the team that I can't ever imagine being a casual fan again.

     

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