What is Patriots' Greatest Weakness At This Point?.....

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    What is Patriots' Greatest Weakness At This Point?.....

    Pass Rush?

    BB has addressed secondary, TE, punting, ILB, and mebbe OLB w/ Cunningham.

    What are the Patriots' needs at this point - and why?
     
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    I still have some concerns about our offensive line, both in pass blocking and run blocking.  I think Vollmer will solve our problems at RT, but I worry Light's skills are declining.  I hope Mankins gets signed because if he doesn't we've also got problems at guard.  

    I think you're right about the pass rush . . . we still don't know for sure who our OLBs will be and we still have a possible hole at DE unless someone steps up to fill the Seymour spot.

    Running game is iffy, but I think we can get by with who we have.  We're not a big running team anyway.

    Passing game is improved, I think, with the free agent WRs and the rookie TEs--and maybe Tate, Price, or one of the rookie free agents will step up. But Welker will be out for much of the season I suspect, which will hurt us, and there are still some big question marks about Holt's and Patton's ability to contribute at their ages.

    No guarantees with rookies, but I think Spikes will be a big plus in run defense. And Mayo's knee should be better.  I think we'll be much improved in this part of our game.  Would also be nice if Chung steps up and becomes a presence near the line of scrimmage. Wilfork remains a beast.

    Pass coverage was frightening last year and I was really happy with the McCourty pick because of that.  Butler may be better with experience this year and, who knows, maybe Wheatley or Wilhite will show something (though I don't have high hopes).  I wish we had a leader in the secondary who could keep all the young players disciplined and in position.  We really miss Harrison's leadership back there.  Meriweather has some talent, but he's undisciplined, I think, and not a great guy to direct the secondary play like Harrison did. 



     
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    I still have some concerns about our offensive line, both in pass blocking and run blocking.  I think Vollmer will solve our problems at RT, but I worry Light's skills are declining.  I hope Mankins gets signed because if he doesn't we've also got problems at guard.   I think you're right about the pass rush . . . we still don't know for sure who our OLBs will be and we still have a possible hole at DE unless someone steps up to fill the Seymour spot. Running game is iffy, but I think we can get by with who we have.  We're not a big running team anyway. Passing game is improved, I think, with the free agent WRs and the rookie TEs--and maybe Tate, Price, or one of the rookie free agents will step up. But Welker will be out for much of the season I suspect, which will hurt us, and there are still some big question marks about Holt's and Patton's ability to contribute at their ages. No guarantees with rookies, but I think Spikes will be a big plus in run defense. And Mayo's knee should be better.  I think we'll be much improved in this part of our game.  Would also be nice if Chung steps up and becomes a presence near the line of scrimmage. Wilfork remains a beast. Pass coverage was frightening last year and I was really happy with the McCourty pick because of that.  Butler may be better with experience this year and, who knows, maybe Wheatley or Wilhite will show something (though I don't have high hopes).  I wish we had a leader in the secondary who could keep all the young players disciplined and in position.  We really miss Harrison's leadership back there.  Meriweather has some talent, but he's undisciplined, I think, and not a great guy to direct the secondary play like Harrison did. 
    Posted by prolate0spheroid


    Great assessment, I couldn't have said it better myself.
     
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    I have been wondering that myself... Three issues seem pretty obvious Oline, Pass Rush, and Running game.

    Oline shouldn't be as bad as last year with Vollmer taking a OT spot. I think they will be ok if they can stay healthy. (definately need to draft another stud in 2011, RT or RG).

    Running game should be improved with Crumpler and Morris and Taylor should be healthy. It would be shocking if they were injured alot again this year. (another Place they need to upgrade in 2011)

    Pass Rush is the place that remains a huge "?"  I am not sure who is going to be the opposite threat to TBC. If it turns out Cunningham can do it... which I think they can coach him up to be a good elephant OLB they will be fine but right now pass rush is the weakness I think. (2011 will be a place where they likely still draft a OLB or DE in the first couple rounds.)

    As for a strength I actually think our passing game will be very potent. I like how the WR/TE crew has come together.
     
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     I have to agree with Mr. Spheroid, our OLine isn't scaring anyone except Tom Brady. We need to do a better job of keeping TB upright. The sack numbers are deceptive because he gets rid of the ball before he gets creamed. The running game is anemic, and since we didn't upgrade at RB, the line will need to do a better job if there is any hope of improvement there. I would have really liked to see the addition of a true power back to the team.
     I would like to see more pressure on the opposing QB, but I think that our best defences were always predicated on coverage. A large number of sacks were "coverage sacks", and it's the coverage that has been lacking the last few years. Hopefully that will be improved this year with the addition of McCorty and the maturation of the youger players in the secondary.
     
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    DE -Pass Rusher

    Solution: Trade 2nd or 3rd pick in 2011 for Giants Osi Umenyiora. Since his troubles the end of last seasons with TC and the drafting of a DE in the 1st round 2010, there might be a possibility of solving this problem.This acquistion woukld start to move the power balance in the AFC East back toward the Pats.
     
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    I'm still concerned about the right DE spot.  In our variant of the 3-4 you need to be able to able to go up against the tackle and control both the "B" and "C" gaps, and that takes tremendous brute strength, excellent leverage and hand technique, something Richard Seymour had in spades.  I'm really concerned about plugging in JAG to fill that spot, because if Mayo and Spikes aren't kept clean, they can't be tackling machines.
     
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    Oline shouldn't be as bad as last year with Vollmer taking a OT spot. I think they will be ok if they can stay healthy. (definately need to draft another stud in 2011, RT or RG).


    Am concerned about the OL too. Here's my question. I am wondering why BB doesn't just play Vollmer and Mankins on the same side at this point. Sure, having Vollmer on the right side might provide better balance overall, but I'm thinking that Vollmer and Mankins can dominate the left side - and give us an opportunity to run that direction. I think Vollmer and Mankins would like sticking it to the opponents...

    Thats' why I was hoping to shore up C, RT, and RG during the draft, but....no such luck.
     
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    I'm still concerned about the right DE spot.  In our variant of the 3-4 you need to be able to able to go up against the tackle and control both the "B" and "C" gaps, and that takes tremendous brute strength, excellent leverage and hand technique, something Richard Seymour had in spades.  I'm really concerned about plugging in JAG to fill that spot, because if Mayo and Spikes aren't kept clean, they can't be tackling machines.
    Posted by USMCM1A1


    Agree with this.  Pryor, Wright, Lewis can't do any of this.  Maybe the new Warren can but I heard he took plays off in Oakland.  Maybe that rookie can?
     
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    I'm still concerned about the right DE spot.  In our variant of the 3-4 you need to be able to able to go up against the tackle and control both the "B" and "C" gaps, and that takes tremendous brute strength, excellent leverage and hand technique, something Richard Seymour had in spades.  I'm really concerned about plugging in JAG to fill that spot, because if Mayo and Spikes aren't kept clean, they can't be tackling machines.
    Posted by USMCM1A1


    Hey, hey. Can you explain more about the B and C gap stuff?
     
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    Pass Rush? BB has addressed secondary, TE, punting, ILB, and mebbe OLB w/ Cunningham. What are the Patriots' needs at this point - and why?
    Posted by BubbaInHawaii


    Pash rush and a starter at right DE.
     
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    Posted by BubbaInHawaii


    I'm no expert but I play one on TV.  The A gaps are to the left and right of Center - Wilfork is responsible for standing up the center and tackling anyone who comes through those gaps.  The B gap is between guard and tackle, and the C gap is between tackle and tight end.  Warren and formerly Seymour were responsible for these gaps.  Back in the day Seymour, Wilfork and Warren did this beautifully, allowing the rest of the D to focus on other areas.  Now Seymour is gone and Wilfork and Warren are habitually injured.  If we can't plug all these gaps, we could be seeing more Baltimore style games. 
     
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    the pass rush and running game are what would concern me if i was the pats

    they are basically the same team that will pass, pass, pass and pass some more which will leave that defense tired and playing too much...which would also weaken an already weak pass rush
     
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    Posted by BubbaInHawaii


    The defensive assigns gap letters to the spaces between offensive linemen:
    "A" gap is the space between the center and guard.
    "B" gap is the space between the guard and tackle.
    "C" gap is the space between the tackle and  TE or outside the tackle.

    In the Pats' system, defensive lineman are responsible for two gaps. Wilfork is accountable for both "A" gaps, and Ty Warren/Somebody are responsible for the "B" and "C" gaps on their side. 

    In most 4-3 alignments, each lineman has a single gap responsibility, and it's usually to penetrate that gap to either tackle the runner in the backfield, or get to the passer.  You can see a pretty good diagraming of the gaps here:




     
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    DE -Pass Rusher Solution: Trade 2nd or 3rd pick in 2011 for Giants Osi Umenyiora. Since his troubles the end of last seasons with TC and the drafting of a DE in the 1st round 2010, there might be a possibility of solving this problem.This acquistion woukld start to move the power balance in the AFC East back toward the Pats.
    Posted by Tompatriot


    I would kill to get Osi, but I will only be willing to give up a fourth round pick for him.
     
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    Pass-rush is a glaring weakness, and RE. 

    I'm sure a big DE that is capable of playing End in Belichick's system will be cut, but no one gets rid of a good pass-rusher. That problem needs to be addressed.
     
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    Pass rush and the ability to "grind out" first downs in the 4th quarter (i.e., the running game) when they have the lead.

    Hopefully they'll get a healthy season out of Fred Taylor, because I thought he ran like a beast last year in the few games in which he was healthy. But at his age, I wouldn't count on it.

    I would like to see them at least TRY to run the ball more and scrap the constant shotgun/four- and five-wide sets on offense, even if the running game hasn't improved that much.

    The running game may not be up to par, but back in 2003, when they became one of the worst-rushing teams ever to win a Super Bowl (3.4 YPC average that year), Weis still called almost as many running plays as he did pass plays.......opposing defenses still had to gameplan for the running game, because the Pats stayed committed to it even though it wasn't working very well (it did work pretty well in the playoffs that year, however).

    Who knows, maybe Maroney will shock us all this year and finally stop his "Dancing with the Stars" routine every time he touches the ball (it's frustrating to watch him because when he does hit the LOS immediately, he looks like a top-shelf NFL running back).
     
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    The Pats have one clear weakness.  Three of their bell cow running backs are 33, 33 and 34 years old and they're likely to get injured and sit in the training room all game.  The fourth is Maroney, who runs high and will get injured again.  Then they'll have so-so running backs or maybe one of this group will limp onto the field and run in a so-so manner. 

    The unclear weakness is, as usual, what if Brady busts his buns for a game or two? 
     
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    Pass Rush? BB has addressed secondary, TE, punting, ILB, and mebbe OLB w/ Cunningham. What are the Patriots' needs at this point - and why?
    Posted by BubbaInHawaii



    Only time will tell.

    We have been addressing the secondary for several years via the draft ( a multitude of picks: Meriweather, Sanders, Wheatly, Butler, Chung ....) & Free agents ( a virtual revolving door).  Hopefully, that unit finally gets it right.  This is a young unit.  It is time for promise to morph into strong play on the field.

    TE - two rookies and a past his prime blocking specialist.  more promise than reality at this time.  As the saying goes, the proof will be in the puddin.  Lets see what transpires on the field.  again, this has been a revolving door position for several years.

    RB - a collection of elder statesmen and an underachiever.  Still looking for that go to guy on 4th and < 3 yards.   Morris, do you think we get more than 8 games from him this year ? Taylor at his age, odds are against him being effective after his injury.

    We Still have yet too truly help the Pass Rush.

    So, it's best to wait and watch.
     
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    As I have yet to see any of the new acquistions accomplish anything, I'm going to say that the Pats biggest problem is still the last one we saw: The inability to stop a team that says, "We are going to run the ball right at you all day long and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it."
     
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    I think the full back position is the glaring weakness.  Heath Evans was the biggest loss.  They could always depend on getting a yard or two. I also see it as the last line of defense for Tom Brady.  Someone to help in the backfield.
     
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    I would love to see the O line get tough and angry.  On all the SB championship teams we had the O line was known for it's toughness and nasty disposition.  I'd like to see it get back to that, and I think first and foremost we need to get Mankins in here and happy.

    I'm not too concerned with the running game.  I'm not the Maroney hater that everyone else seems to be and think he knows full well this is it for him.  He needs to have a good a year in order to get a decenet contract next year, whether with the Pats or another team altogether.  He's shown flashes of brilliance and had some very good games in the past and I expect to see more of that this year.  We also have great vets back there as well.

    The pass rush is probably the biggest concern, but I expect to see Burgess back hopefully (he was looking good near the end last year) and I think we've injected enough talent into different positions on D for BB to come up with some interesting schemes.  It won't just come down to an OLB rushing every down I assure you, you will see a lot of corner/saftey blitzes since that is where we are deep right now.
     
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     I have to agree with Mr. Spheroid, our OLine isn't scaring anyone except Tom Brady. We need to do a better job of keeping TB upright. The sack numbers are deceptive because he gets rid of the ball before he gets creamed. The running game is anemic, and since we didn't upgrade at RB, the line will need to do a better job if there is any hope of improvement there. I would have really liked to see the addition of a true power back to the team.  I would like to see more pressure on the opposing QB, but I think that our best defences were always predicated on coverage. A large number of sacks were "coverage sacks", and it's the coverage that has been lacking the last few years. Hopefully that will be improved this year with the addition of McCorty and the maturation of the youger players in the secondary.
    Posted by Cyberknot


    I really don't understand why everyone on this board is so critical of the pats' Oline. It may not be the best but its far from the worst. We have two of the best guards in the AFC, solid vets at the other three spots and a kick-azz blocking TE in crumpler. Sure, Light is on the downhill slope of his career but Volmer is a rising star. They've also been together for several years, a huge plus for an Oline.

    Here's some objective assessments of NFL Olines;

    http://fantasyfootball.fanhouse.com/2009/07/29/2009-offensive-line-rankings/
    ranks pats' line as among the best in football.

    http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/article.cfm?article_id=428
    rates pats' Oline as 6th best overall.

    http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/415640
    rates Pats' line as "good".

    Do these rankings mean anything? Not really, but I have more confidence in them than joe lunchbucket's evaluation. 
     
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    In 2009 for the Pats, the LBs had 20 sacks.  The DL had only 7 (ussually they get a collective 16-20).  They got vertually no pressure from Warren or Green at the DE position. 

    DE is the position of most need for the Patriots.  Guys like Osi don't help because the project out as OLBs for the Pats.  They need another DE to both control the gaps on running downs and get some pressure on the QB.  That's a hard role to fill.  Hopefully Ty Warren can again be healthy and productive.  Wright has some pass rushing ability and is a good sub.  But who plays on early downs????

    Lewis, Pryor and G Warren are on the team but I fear that the answer to the RDE question is not currently on the Patriots roster.
     
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    DE -Pass Rusher Solution: Trade 2nd or 3rd pick in 2011 for Giants Osi Umenyiora. Since his troubles the end of last seasons with TC and the drafting of a DE in the 1st round 2010, there might be a possibility of solving this problem.This acquistion woukld start to move the power balance in the AFC East back toward the Pats.
    Posted by Tompatriot


    Right on TomPatriot!  With their top 4 picks already in next years draft in rd 1&2, let's drop our 3rd for Osi!  Guy is a playmaker who can no doubt help the Pats pass rush!  We need to pressure the QB!  With our secondary now -Lets do it!
     

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