What is with this roster?

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    What is with this roster?

    This roster does not feel like a BB roster as it currently sits. Does anyone ever remember a team like this to start a season? Assuming this is a SB contending team, is there too much youth and too little talent? 

    -35% of the roster is first or second year players

    -if Ghost starts the season with some misses, before this board erupts and calls for his head, lets remember that 33% of a successful FG is on the holder, and Allen has never done this in his life

    -Talib in numerous seasons has missed games with injury. McCourty has played injured the past 2 seasons. Dennard may or may not be suspended. The replacements are Tavon Wilson and 2 rookies. 

    -is LaGarrett Blount really an option at KR? If this team is going to be a 3 and 4 WR spread offense I want Boyce on the field, not getting nicked up on KR. In no uncertain terms do I wish to see McCourty on KR

    -Kelly, Vince and who? This team needs another big body at DT

    -I am of the opinion this is a better team with RasI, Love, Mesko and Washington on the roster. 

    -no one knows any of the behind the scenes situations as the flow of information is non existent. Every one is cognizant of the cap. But does it seem every decision on the roster is made on the cheap? This team has had 2 years of very solid amount of cash to improve the team, and so far the results have been mediocre at best (including last years disaster) 

    -can you tell I am not happy with this roster? 

    -to repeat what so many have said on this board...thankul that TB is on this roster. Lucky the AFC east is still nothing to worry about (although I still have my eye on the Phins)

    -still a week to go and changes can be made on the fly. Today, I am not a happy fan with this roster

     
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    I'm not feeling comfortable about the large number of first and second year players either. On the other hand I've got a feeling they are building a really strong core for the future.

    In my opinion BB is always looking ahead. In stead of going all in for a single season, he builds teams that are always changing, trying to stay competitive every season.

    DT and the defensive backfield are the concerns in my mind, Ghost and KR minor things.

    I always liked Ras-I, and hoped he would stick again this year. But seems like his body just cannot hold up to playing in the NFL. And loosing The Magnificient is also a blow. I didn't really notice Washington in preseason, so I'm indifferent on that. Kyle Love was never a favorite of mine, but with the lack of depth at DT it's hard not to agree with you.

    I think loosing Armstead - for at least six weeks - was something they really hadn't planned on, and it really hurts them now. And I think that any moves to get deeper at the position should be viewed with his possible return in mind. I don't think they go for more than roster cuts if they think he is coming back this season. On the other hand if he isn't coming back maybe we will see them go after someone?

    I have the same concerns about the defensive backfield as you do, let's cross our fingers that everybody stays healthy, and Dennard is here for the entire season.

    But overall I think this is a strong roster, yet again one of the strongest in the AFC. We have the GOAT, the best coach in the game, and a lot of great and good players. And then we have more unknowns than in years past.

    I'm sooo looking forward for this season, it's gonna be fun.

    Supra societatem nemo

     
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    In response to rkarp's comment:

    This roster does not feel like a BB roster as it currently sits. Does anyone ever remember a team like this to start a season? Assuming this is a SB contending team, is there too much youth and too little talent? 

    -35% of the roster is first or second year players

    -if Ghost starts the season with some misses, before this board erupts and calls for his head, lets remember that 33% of a successful FG is on the holder, and Allen has never done this in his life

    -Talib in numerous seasons has missed games with injury. McCourty has played injured the past 2 seasons. Dennard may or may not be suspended. The replacements are Tavon Wilson and 2 rookies. 

    -is LaGarrett Blount really an option at KR? If this team is going to be a 3 and 4 WR spread offense I want Boyce on the field, not getting nicked up on KR. In no uncertain terms do I wish to see McCourty on KR

    -Kelly, Vince and who? This team needs another big body at DT

    -I am of the opinion this is a better team with RasI, Love, Mesko and Washington on the roster. 

    -no one knows any of the behind the scenes situations as the flow of information is non existent. Every one is cognizant of the cap. But does it seem every decision on the roster is made on the cheap? This team has had 2 years of very solid amount of cash to improve the team, and so far the results have been mediocre at best (including last years disaster) 

    -can you tell I am not happy with this roster? 

    -to repeat what so many have said on this board...thankul that TB is on this roster. Lucky the AFC east is still nothing to worry about (although I still have my eye on the Phins)

    -still a week to go and changes can be made on the fly. Today, I am not a happy fan with this roster




    It seems like an elaborate, yes cheap, smokeshow.  Like the players are being jerked around and jockeyed with some plan that depends on this fluidity.

    The actual roster that takes the field will be different by tomorrow with an eye on the buffalo game and who we need to match up against them.

    same thing week 2, but I agree that the core team should have another DT.  The indication is that we will be seeing more 3-4, and maybe 4-3 on running downs.

     

     Washington would have been a luxury.  The muffed punt hurt him.  Its irritating when all the free agent signings get cut.  like, what a waste of time. BB must be crafting a new kicking team and wants guys that will fill this role. Like develin, like ebner, like tarponian, etc.  These guys are special teamers and nothing else it seems, and yes cheap.

     

    The money issue is weird.  if they're dumping salaries on cut day and keeping the cheaper guys, then it should follow that another quality player must be out there for BB to go after.  Is this happening?  I assume they are scouring the league for talent in the cut pile but again, it sucks to be in this position . But players do get dumped for salary reasons.  Those are the guys I assume BB is after right now.  Talented players that another cheap team doesn't want to pay, perhaps.

     

     
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    Gents, I think you both are spot on about how most of us are feeling about this roster at the moment. They are thin in several areas and only time will tell how they will resolve the problem. One thing for sure is that the Patriots roster doesn't stay the same for very long.  

     
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    They may of point blank NOT improved the team, two off seasons in a row. As it stands right now we resigned Talib, replaced Welker with an injury prone player and we added Kelly. The undrafted free agents we added that MAY help (or may not) should be nice little stories in the background...not the focal point of our team and off season. First and second round draft picks and free agents in their prime should be what we will be leaning on as team improvement...with the undrafted free agents being icing on the cake. A team with Tom Brady and Super Bowl aspirations shouldn't have to be puttting four claims in on nobody undrafted rookies days before the season starts...not with the amount of cap space we had...not with the amount of draft selections this team has had over the last 5 years.

    Keep in mind there are three key players on offense that are very injury prone players as well...Amendola, Vareen and Gronk. That's some scary stuff right there (and you can add Sudfeld to that list as well).

    Call me a troll, but there is something very wrong going on with the decision making during these off seasons. I love Belichick the coach, but I'm starting to really question Belichick the GM.

     
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    They may of point blank NOT improved the team, two off seasons in a row. As it stands right now we resigned Talib, replaced Welker with an injury prone player and we added Kelly. The undrafted free agents we added that MAY help (or may not) should be nice little stories in the background...not the focal point of our team and off season. First and second round draft picks and free agents in their prime should be what we will be leaning on as team improvement...with the undrafted free agents being icing on the cake. A team with Tom Brady and Super Bowl aspirations shouldn't have to be puttting four claims in on nobody undrafted rookies days before the season starts...not with the amount of cap space we had...not with the amount of draft selections this team has had over the last 5 years.

    Keep in mind there are three key players on offense that are very injury prone players as well...Amendola, Vareen and Gronk. That's some scary stuff right there (and you can add Sudfeld to that list as well).

    Call me a troll, but there is something very wrong going on with the decision making during these off seasons. I love Belichick the coach, but I'm starting to really question Belichick the GM.




    Agree with your assessment. The only explanation I can think of is that Belichick really likes this team the way it is and that IF healthy it has an excellent chance of winning it all. ...and IF they do we'll hear nothing but how BB is a great GM as well as a coach.

    We have to acknowledge the fact that there are 3 pretty good undrafted free agents on this team in Sudfeld, Thompkins, and Allen.

    We also have to keep in mind that there are several 2nd year players that might have breakout years that could bring this team to the next level if that happens.

    But health and quality roster depth is what will determine the success and failures of this team and many others.

     
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    I think the top of the roster looks good.  The question mark is whether all the young guys behind them are any good.  Let's look by unit.

    DL--a starting unit of Wilfork, Kelly, Jones, and Nink is improved from last year, since Kelly is much better than Love.  What's odd here is that the back-ups are all question marks.  At tackle, we have rookie free agent Vellano and AJ Francis (who they picked up yesterday after he didn't make Miami's roster).  At DE, we have Bequette (who hasn't looked great) and Buchanan, another rookie.  The depth is very questionable.  But is BB running a four man line this year regularly?  This roster (along with past actions like cutting Deaderick and Love without replacing them) makes me wonder if BB has something else in mind for the line.

    LBs--I think this group looks good and deep.  Mayo, Hightower, and Spikes were strong in run defense last year and mediocre in pass coverage.  The nice thing about this group is the depth players all seem stronger in coverage--and there are a lot of them: Collins, Fletcher, Beauharnais, and White.  With seven LBs on the squad, you have to wonder whether BB is going to be putting 4 of them on the field regularly, maybe making up for the thinner D line. 

    DBs--the presumed starters (Talib, Dennard, McCourty, Gregory, and--as nickel--Arrington) were a reasonable group last year.  There's no improvement in a starting group that could have been improved with a better starting safety, but people I think forget that this group (because of injuries and the late acquisition of Talib) wasn't on the field much last year, but when it was, it was pretty effective.  I would have liked some improvement here, but this group is far better than what we had at the beginning of last season.  Depth is the big question.  At corner, the only other guy is rookie Logan Ryan and that seems like too little, though Ryan was showing some skills late in preseason, I thought.  At safety, we've got three: Harmon, Wilson, Ebener.  As with Ryan, a lot depends on how far along Harmon comes.  If he and Ryan both advance quickly, this might be a nice group.  If not, the depth is a concern. 

    OL--I think this is at least as good as last year's, and has maybe better depth.  Is it improved?  Probably not by acquisition but maybe through additional experience and health.  Even if not improved, it's okay as is.

    TEs--this group is suddenly thin and less potent seeming. But I think there's a change underway and we're going to see more single TE formations.  If Gronk gets hurt, there's a big loss of quality, but with Gronk at least one TE is good.  Sudfeld does look like he brings something to the receiving game and Hoomanawanui is a decent (and fairly versatile) blocker who can catch.  I though with Sudfeld, they would have also kept Fells and won't be surprised to see someone like Fells back.

    RBs--deeper than last year, I think.  I'm not too worried about the loss of Woodhead--hoping that Vereen gives us much more at that same position. Like the addition of a FB, too.  There's more versatility here than in the past. 

    WR--very young, but let's face it, we had a very thin group last year (Welker, Lloyd, and Branch, basically).  This one is more diverse and has way more potential. Question is whether anyone but Amendola will truly deliver once the real games start.  If just one of the receivers is at least as productive as Lloyd, the receivers are going to be at least as good as last year's group, I think, because Amendola looks like he can replace much of what Welker did and Branch last year was not much of a contributor.  

    Specialists--really no concern here, though wondering about kick returns now that Washington is gone.  Still, we were so bad on kicks last year that there's no way to go but up.

    Overall, the team seems marginally improved among starters, with a lot of potential upside, though also a lot of risk if the young players don't pan out.  I think people are reacting to the lack of clear improvement in certain positions (like safety) and the thinness and inexperience of the depth.  That's the concern, of course.  But looking at if from the other side, if guys like Harmon and Ryan and Collins and the young receivers work out, this team will be much improved. I know, it's still a pretty big if . . . but it's too early to get down on this team.

    Look as well for lots of new schemes this year.  I think BB has some new stuff up on his sleeve both in the D (where the change in balance away from DT and even DE to LB suggests something) and on offense (where the move away from TEs and toward RBs and WRs also suggests something). 

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    I think the top of the roster looks good.  The question mark is whether all the young guys behind them are any good.  Let's look by unit.

    DL--a starting unit of Wilfork, Kelly, Jones, and Nink is improved from last year, since Kelly is much better than Love.  What's odd here is that the back-ups are all question marks.  At tackle, we have rookie free agent Vellano and AJ Francis (who they picked up yesterday after he didn't make Miami's roster).  At DE, we have Bequette (who hasn't looked great) and Buchanan, another rookie.  The depth is very questionable.  But is BB running a four man line this year regularly?  This roster (along with past actions like cutting Deaderick and Love without replacing them) makes me wonder if BB has something else in mind for the line.

    LBs--I think this group looks good and deep.  Mayo, Hightower, and Spikes were strong in run defense last year and mediocre in pass coverage.  The nice thing about this group is the depth players all seem stronger in coverage--and there are a lot of them: Collins, Fletcher, Beauharnais, and White.  With seven LBs on the squad, you have to wonder whether BB is going to be putting 4 of them on the field regularly, maybe making up for the thinner D line. 

    DBs--the presumed starters (Talib, Dennard, McCourty, Gregory, and--as nickel--Arrington) were a reasonable group last year.  There's no improvement in a starting group that could have been improved with a better starting safety, but people I think forget that this group (because of injuries and the late acquisition of Talib) wasn't on the field much last year, but when it was, it was pretty effective.  I would have liked some improvement here, but this group is far better than what we had at the beginning of last season.  Depth is the big question.  At corner, the only other guy is rookie Logan Ryan and that seems like too little, though Ryan was showing some skills late in preseason, I thought.  At safety, we've got three: Harmon, Wilson, Ebener.  As with Ryan, a lot depends on how far along Harmon comes.  If he and Ryan both advance quickly, this might be a nice group.  If not, the depth is a concern. 

    OL--I think this is at least as good as last year's, and has maybe better depth.  Is it improved?  Probably not by acquisition but maybe through additional experience and health.  Even if not improved, it's okay as is.

    TEs--this group is suddenly thin and less potent seeming. But I think there's a change underway and we're going to see more single TE formations.  If Gronk gets hurt, there's a big loss of quality, but with Gronk at least one TE is good.  Sudfeld does look like he brings something to the receiving game and Hoomanawanui is a decent (and fairly versatile) blocker who can catch.  I though with Sudfeld, they would have also kept Fells and won't be surprised to see someone like Fells back.

    RBs--deeper than last year, I think.  I'm not too worried about the loss of Woodhead--hoping that Vereen gives us much more at that same position. Like the addition of a FB, too.  There's more versatility here than in the past. 

    WR--very young, but let's face it, we had a very thin group last year (Welker, Lloyd, and Branch, basically).  This one is more diverse and has way more potential. Question is whether anyone but Amendola will truly deliver once the real games start.  If just one of the receivers is at least as productive as Lloyd, the receivers are going to be at least as good as last year's group, I think, because Amendola looks like he can replace much of what Welker did and Branch last year was not much of a contributor.  

    Specialists--really no concern here, though wondering about kick returns now that Washington is gone.  Still, we were so bad on kicks last year that there's no way to go but up.

    Overall, the team seems marginally improved among starters, with a lot of potential upside, though also a lot of risk if the young players don't pan out.  I think people are reacting to the lack of clear improvement in certain positions (like safety) and the thinness and inexperience of the depth.  That's the concern, of course.  But looking at if from the other side, if guys like Harmon and Ryan and Collins and the young receivers work out, this team will be much improved. I know, it's still a pretty big if . . . but it's too early to get down on this team.

    Look as well for lots of new schemes this year.  I think BB has some new stuff up on his sleeve both in the D (where the change in balance away from DT and even DE to LB suggests something) and on offense (where the move away from TEs and toward RBs and WRs also suggests something). 

     

     

     

     

     



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    I think the top of the roster looks good.  The question mark is whether all the young guys behind them are any good.  Let's look by unit.

    DL--a starting unit of Wilfork, Kelly, Jones, and Nink is improved from last year, since Kelly is much better than Love.  What's odd here is that the back-ups are all question marks.  At tackle, we have rookie free agent Vellano and AJ Francis (who they picked up yesterday after he didn't make Miami's roster).  At DE, we have Bequette (who hasn't looked great) and Buchanan, another rookie.  The depth is very questionable.  But is BB running a four man line this year regularly?  This roster (along with past actions like cutting Deaderick and Love without replacing them) makes me wonder if BB has something else in mind for the line.

    LBs--I think this group looks good and deep.  Mayo, Hightower, and Spikes were strong in run defense last year and mediocre in pass coverage.  The nice thing about this group is the depth players all seem stronger in coverage--and there are a lot of them: Collins, Fletcher, Beauharnais, and White.  With seven LBs on the squad, you have to wonder whether BB is going to be putting 4 of them on the field regularly, maybe making up for the thinner D line. 

    DBs--the presumed starters (Talib, Dennard, McCourty, Gregory, and--as nickel--Arrington) were a reasonable group last year.  There's no improvement in a starting group that could have been improved with a better starting safety, but people I think forget that this group (because of injuries and the late acquisition of Talib) wasn't on the field much last year, but when it was, it was pretty effective.  I would have liked some improvement here, but this group is far better than what we had at the beginning of last season.  Depth is the big question.  At corner, the only other guy is rookie Logan Ryan and that seems like too little, though Ryan was showing some skills late in preseason, I thought.  At safety, we've got three: Harmon, Wilson, Ebener.  As with Ryan, a lot depends on how far along Harmon comes.  If he and Ryan both advance quickly, this might be a nice group.  If not, the depth is a concern. 

    OL--I think this is at least as good as last year's, and has maybe better depth.  Is it improved?  Probably not by acquisition but maybe through additional experience and health.  Even if not improved, it's okay as is.

    TEs--this group is suddenly thin and less potent seeming. But I think there's a change underway and we're going to see more single TE formations.  If Gronk gets hurt, there's a big loss of quality, but with Gronk at least one TE is good.  Sudfeld does look like he brings something to the receiving game and Hoomanawanui is a decent (and fairly versatile) blocker who can catch.  I though with Sudfeld, they would have also kept Fells and won't be surprised to see someone like Fells back.

    RBs--deeper than last year, I think.  I'm not too worried about the loss of Woodhead--hoping that Vereen gives us much more at that same position. Like the addition of a FB, too.  There's more versatility here than in the past. 

    WR--very young, but let's face it, we had a very thin group last year (Welker, Lloyd, and Branch, basically).  This one is more diverse and has way more potential. Question is whether anyone but Amendola will truly deliver once the real games start.  If just one of the receivers is at least as productive as Lloyd, the receivers are going to be at least as good as last year's group, I think, because Amendola looks like he can replace much of what Welker did and Branch last year was not much of a contributor.  

    Specialists--really no concern here, though wondering about kick returns now that Washington is gone.  Still, we were so bad on kicks last year that there's no way to go but up.

    Overall, the team seems marginally improved among starters, with a lot of potential upside, though also a lot of risk if the young players don't pan out.  I think people are reacting to the lack of clear improvement in certain positions (like safety) and the thinness and inexperience of the depth.  That's the concern, of course.  But looking at if from the other side, if guys like Harmon and Ryan and Collins and the young receivers work out, this team will be much improved. I know, it's still a pretty big if . . . but it's too early to get down on this team.

    Look as well for lots of new schemes this year.  I think BB has some new stuff up on his sleeve both in the D (where the change in balance away from DT and even DE to LB suggests something) and on offense (where the move away from TEs and toward RBs and WRs also suggests something). 

     

     

     

     

     

     



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    The TE changer maybe more to do with AH

    A great coach is always  fitting his talent to the schemes



    I think the lack of good wideouts forced the Patriots to go more to the TEs. So if the Patriots do go away from using the TEs more it's because the new wideouts have given them more balance meaning they can now stretch the field, use the sidelines, and use the middle of the field which they weren't able to do last year. It gives Brady a lot more to work with and keeps the defenses guessing. Add some good running backs and it has the makings of another good offense.


     
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    I think the lack of good wideouts forced the Patriots to go more to the TEs. So if the Patriots do go away from using the TEs more it's because the new wideouts have given them more balance meaning they can now stretch the field, use the sidelines, and use the middle of the field which they weren't able to do last year. It gives Brady a lot more to work with and keeps the defenses guessing. Add some good running backs and it has the makings of another good offense.



    And I think this raises another good way of looking at the roster.  Last year, the Pats' offense was very good as it has been for several years now.  Does this roster suggest that it will continue to be good?  I tend to think so.  There are some question marks (the loss of Hern and Welker, mostly) but in my mind there's enough positive signs in the receiving corp to think that with Brady as QB the passing game will be fine.  And the running game looks like it could continue to improve, building on the progress made last year.  Maybe most significant, the offense could be much more diverse with this group, hopefully improving our ability to challenge some of the tougher defenses that have given us problems in some big games. 

    On the defensive side there are still many questions whether this is close to a championship defense.  It hasn't been that good in a long while.  There isn't a ton of change in the starters on defense, so that has to give us all some concern.  Still, there are marginal changes (some of which, like the addition of Talib, actually began last year) which seem to head us in the right direction.  A lot will depend, I think, on what we can get out of some of the young guys and what our scheme is going to be.  I'm hoping for some improvement, especially in pass defense, but only time will tell . . .

    One thing to keep in mind: we don't face a ton of great offensive teams this year (Saints and Broncos excepted of course), so if the defense is bad we may not know it fully until the playoffs . . .

     
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    I have 2 concerns....DBs...which hasn't changed much at all....and DL (depth). Not sold by any stretch on the rookie DBs, but they do deserve a chance.

    I want to see Buchanan get some reps on 3rd down.

    The offense looks exciting to me. Yes, lots of rookies, and it will take some time to gel, but come December, this offense could be scary good.

    I want to see BB pick-up a vet safety this week.

     
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    prolate...  Good points that focus on what we have on this team rather than what didn't work out.  Status quo isn't that bad in many areas since pats were a couple plays from taking out eventual SB winning ravens.  If pollard doesn't knock out Ridley...

    Hurlman makes good points about missed opportunities to improve.  Like if you're not improving you're just getting worse.  Obvious turnover position was receiver and you have to like the deep stable of capable players there , even if they are young.  Still hope they don't lose Sims.

    Overall, team looks real good and could be quite dominant  when bullets start flying and guys stay healthy.  I hope the improved pass rush (Jones, buchanon, nink, Kelly) will help the secondary play aggressive.  If this happens all will be smiles and butt- slaps IMO.

     

     

     
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    I have 2 concerns....DBs...which hasn't changed much at all....and DL (depth). Not sold by any stretch on the rookie DBs, but they do deserve a chance.

    I want to see Buchanan get some reps on 3rd down.

    The offense looks exciting to me. Yes, lots of rookies, and it will take some time to gel, but come December, this offense could be scary good.

    I want to see BB pick-up a vet safety this week.




    I'm looking at the defensive line situation as if Belichick thought...we can do better than Love and Deaderick with our eyes closed. I just don't think they expected to be this thin at this point - they got better with Kelly, but I don't think the grand scheme of things was to be signing undrafted free agent cast offs from Miami at this point. We shall see how it shakes out - I don't think they are too concerned with Buffalo or NY to start the season (almost as if it's an extended preseason), but this position will be changing greatly soon enough...the question is why it wasn't a priority from the very start. 

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Bequette getting a few inside looks on passing downs because we are so thin at that spot right now.

     
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    Why not?

    Why keep a bunch of deadwood and hope they do something different than they have been doing? Better to give some new guys a shot and pray a couple step up to compensate for all the bad draft picks over the years.

     

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    I have 2 concerns....DBs...which hasn't changed much at all....and DL (depth). Not sold by any stretch on the rookie DBs, but they do deserve a chance.

    I want to see Buchanan get some reps on 3rd down.

    The offense looks exciting to me. Yes, lots of rookies, and it will take some time to gel, but come December, this offense could be scary good.

    I want to see BB pick-up a vet safety this week.

     




    I'm looking at the defensive line situation as if Belichick thought...we can do better than Love and Deaderick with our eyes closed. I just don't think they expected to be this thin at this point - they got better with Kelly, but I don't think the grand scheme of things was to be signing undrafted free agent cast offs from Miami at this point. We shall see how it shakes out - I don't think they are too concerned with Buffalo or NY to start the season (almost as if it's an extended preseason), but this position will be changing greatly soon enough...the question is why it wasn't a priority from the very start. 

     

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Bequette getting a few inside looks on passing downs because we are so thin at that spot right now.

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    When you keep missing with high draft picks, you keep having to play catchup, and the more you miss the more desperate that gets.

     
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    Re: What is with this roster?

    In response to mthurl's comment:

    In response to tanbass's comment:

     

    I have 2 concerns....DBs...which hasn't changed much at all....and DL (depth). Not sold by any stretch on the rookie DBs, but they do deserve a chance.

    I want to see Buchanan get some reps on 3rd down.

    The offense looks exciting to me. Yes, lots of rookies, and it will take some time to gel, but come December, this offense could be scary good.

    I want to see BB pick-up a vet safety this week.

     




    I'm looking at the defensive line situation as if Belichick thought...we can do better than Love and Deaderick with our eyes closed. I just don't think they expected to be this thin at this point - they got better with Kelly, but I don't think the grand scheme of things was to be signing undrafted free agent cast offs from Miami at this point. We shall see how it shakes out - I don't think they are too concerned with Buffalo or NY to start the season (almost as if it's an extended preseason), but this position will be changing greatly soon enough...the question is why it wasn't a priority from the very start. 

     

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Bequette getting a few inside looks on passing downs because we are so thin at that spot right now.



    I think Armsteads' infection was a real nasty surprise. As I recall it came after the release of Love and Deaderick. So DT-depth got sidetracked there, and hasn't really recovered yet.

    And yes, maybe Bequette will get a few inside looks, but then again, us talking about Bequette on the inside speeks volumes about the current depth at DT.

     
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    Re: What is with this roster?

    IMO the loss of Mesko purely for financial reasons was shocking to many posters here. (This reminds me of the loss of Vinatieri and that was disastrous) His salary wasn't that big and we have plenty of room under the cap so the question is why. From the outside, it seems like we are being cheap simply to be cheap and that is disturbing because we are taking on more risk with a new punter and holder. 

    Likewise, the cut down to 53 was brutal and picking up 4 castoffs off the scrap heap isn' t very satisfying to our confidence about where we are going. If fact, it is an admission we failed in free agency. 

    All I can say is this is not new for the BB Pats. The way our team operates is inscrutable at times. And there is no accountability to the fans as to why any of this occurs. We are left to mysteriously put the pieces of the puzzle together. 

     
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    Re: What is with this roster?

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

     

    In response to mthurl's comment:

     

     

    In response to tanbass's comment:

     

     

     

    I have 2 concerns....DBs...which hasn't changed much at all....and DL (depth). Not sold by any stretch on the rookie DBs, but they do deserve a chance.

    I want to see Buchanan get some reps on 3rd down.

    The offense looks exciting to me. Yes, lots of rookies, and it will take some time to gel, but come December, this offense could be scary good.

    I want to see BB pick-up a vet safety this week.

     

     

     




    I'm looking at the defensive line situation as if Belichick thought...we can do better than Love and Deaderick with our eyes closed. I just don't think they expected to be this thin at this point - they got better with Kelly, but I don't think the grand scheme of things was to be signing undrafted free agent cast offs from Miami at this point. We shall see how it shakes out - I don't think they are too concerned with Buffalo or NY to start the season (almost as if it's an extended preseason), but this position will be changing greatly soon enough...the question is why it wasn't a priority from the very start. 

     

     

     

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Bequette getting a few inside looks on passing downs because we are so thin at that spot right now.

     




    When you keep missing with high draft picks, you keep having to play catchup, and the more you miss the more desperate that gets.

     

     



    Wasn't Tebow a high draft pick? I guess they really blew it there, huh?

     

    Biggest waste of a #1 pick in the history of pro football......well, maybe #2 after Ghoulston for the JETS....but a MEGA BUST none-the-less....I bet this whole board would agree...even DA LWAD would have to agree...only heretics and non-believers don't believe...wouldn't you say?! HMMMMM....HUH? CAN"T HEAR YOUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!

     
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    Re: What is with this roster?

    In response to NYC's comment:

    IMO the loss of Mesko purely for financial reasons was shocking to many posters here. (This reminds me of the loss of Vinatieri and that was disastrous) His salary wasn't that big and we have plenty of room under the cap so the question is why. From the outside, it seems like we are being cheap simply to be cheap and that is disturbing because we are taking on more risk with a new punter and holder. 

    Likewise, the cut down to 53 was brutal and picking up 4 castoffs off the scrap heap isn' t very satisfying to our confidence about where we are going. If fact, it is an admission we failed in free agency. 

    All I can say is this is not new for the BB Pats. The way our team operates is inscrutable at times. And there is no accountability to the fans as to why any of this occurs. We are left to mysteriously put the pieces of the puzzle together. 



    While this may ne be new, certainly the lack of experience, so many UDFA and rookies is new. 

    I am starting to think this is a 10-12 win team as is....but an 8-9 win team with out TB, and a 5-6 win team without TB and without BB....

    We have marveled that every year there is that one guy that is undrafted that makes the team, and high five that BB did it again....this year there are 8?? Remember the years that very few draft choices made the team? Some said poor drafting, some said tough team for a rookie to crack for a rookie.....this year 7 rookies are on the team, and most "experts" panned some of the choices? 

     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from skinnyrexraptor. Show skinnyrexraptor's posts

    Re: What is with this roster?

    In response to rkarp's comment:

     

    In response to NYC's comment:

     

     

    IMO the loss of Mesko purely for financial reasons was shocking to many posters here. (This reminds me of the loss of Vinatieri and that was disastrous) His salary wasn't that big and we have plenty of room under the cap so the question is why. From the outside, it seems like we are being cheap simply to be cheap and that is disturbing because we are taking on more risk with a new punter and holder. 

    Likewise, the cut down to 53 was brutal and picking up 4 castoffs off the scrap heap isn' t very satisfying to our confidence about where we are going. If fact, it is an admission we failed in free agency. 

    All I can say is this is not new for the BB Pats. The way our team operates is inscrutable at times. And there is no accountability to the fans as to why any of this occurs. We are left to mysteriously put the pieces of the puzzle together. 

     

     



    While this may ne be new, certainly the lack of experience, so many UDFA and rookies is new. 

     

     

    I am starting to think this is a 10-12 win team as is....but an 8-9 win team with out TB, and a 5-6 win team without TB and without BB....

    We have marveled that every year there is that one guy that is undrafted that makes the team, and high five that BB did it again....this year there are 8?? Remember the years that very few draft choices made the team? Some said poor drafting, some said tough team for a rookie to crack for a rookie.....this year 7 rookies are on the team, and most "experts" panned some of the choices? 



    This is news?...w/out Brady they are dead in the water no matter who they have...you think they win 10 games with that millstone Tim Tebow at QB...or Mallet?... nope...

     

    The fact that Mesko is gone means NOTHING to the overall picture...sorry...if he did, he'd still be here...we're talikng marginal productivity...and he just wasn't that big a piece of the puzzle compared to what Allan could give them.

     
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    Re: What is with this roster?


    If anyone doesn't like what BB does, and the decisions he makes, stop being fans...quit...you have the Gints, the Jets, and another 29 teams besides them to be a fan of...you'll have plenty of teams that cater to ESPN and spill their guts about the reasons they do what they do...and they never win..so g'head...demend explanations from an organization that won't give them to you...

     

    Every year it's the same nonsense here...every year we have this clamor for more info..IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN...It's stupid...yes stupid... to expect it...

     
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    Re: What is with this roster?

    Thing is Talib will miss at least 5 games this year, when he does it won't be pretty back there. 

     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from Not-A-Shot. Show Not-A-Shot's posts

    Re: What is with this roster?

    Amendola (injury prone)
    Edelman (7th rounder that plays like a 7th rounder)
    Boyce (rookie)
    Tompkins (rookie)
    Dobson(rookie)
    Slater (hasn't done anything...ever)
    Sudfeld (rookie)
    Hoomanawanui (?)

    This is what the greatest GM of all time, with $10,000,000 in cap room, has given Brady.  If I were Tom Brady, I'd demand a trade.

     
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    Re: What is with this roster?

    It's too soon to judge the roster until we see how the personnel is used.

    A possible example being Collins. He was lined up as a 4-3 OLB in pre-season and not used much as a pass rusher despite having those skills. 

    I don't think it's unusual for coaches to somewhat "hide" a guy they know will make the team and not create film on him. I think Collins, subject to continued development, could be effective as an edge rusher out of either a 4-3 or 3-4 alignement.

    The numbers in the front 7 seem out of whack but if Collins and maybe Hightower are in the mix as edge rushers, hand on the ground in some instances, then suddenly the d-line depth, at least DE looks a lot different.

    Lots of new and young faces but mostly in depth positions. The starters from last season are mostly back and where changes have been made, like the WR group, those changes were needed.

    I think this team will be good and subject to the obvious provisoes of health and reasonable progress from the young guys, could be very good.

     
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    Re: What is with this roster?

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    They may of point blank NOT improved the team, two off seasons in a row. As it stands right now we resigned Talib, replaced Welker with an injury prone player and we added Kelly. The undrafted free agents we added that MAY help (or may not) should be nice little stories in the background...not the focal point of our team and off season. First and second round draft picks and free agents in their prime should be what we will be leaning on as team improvement...with the undrafted free agents being icing on the cake. A team with Tom Brady and Super Bowl aspirations shouldn't have to be puttting four claims in on nobody undrafted rookies days before the season starts...not with the amount of cap space we had...not with the amount of draft selections this team has had over the last 5 years.

    Keep in mind there are three key players on offense that are very injury prone players as well...Amendola, Vareen and Gronk. That's some scary stuff right there (and you can add Sudfeld to that list as well).

    Call me a troll, but there is something very wrong going on with the decision making during these off seasons. I love Belichick the coach, but I'm starting to really question Belichick the GM.



    I agree. His record is great and I / we should appreciate it, however, it would be nice if we had a GM and let BB spend his time coaching up the players. I am growing tired of the picks comming from BB's boys and those pics are not what the scouts recomemded. 

     

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