Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..
posted at 7/26/2009 2:12 AM EDT
In Response to Re: who is racist here? Jules, I apperciate the rebuttal. I will respond in full shortly..
[QUOTE]zbellino, I agree maybe the cop overreacted but so did Gates. Yes you are correct in the fact that Gates did show him the ID. But he did not do it when the cop first asked for it. Even Gates has said this. So it is not like I am making that fact up. Gates argued with the cop first then showed him the ID. At that point heads were already heated. IF he simply showed him the ID at the beginning of the altercation I believe it simply would not have escalated as far.
Posted by bradyrulez[/QUOTE]
I never said it was Gates' finest day, but we all have bad ones. I have actually seen his lectures, and he is a mild mannered guy, and really bright and compasionate.
As far as making things up, there is inventing something and pushing a truth. The officer who entered his home was in plain clothes. He asked for Gates' ID, and Gates asked for his ID. The cop didn't show Gates his ID, but Gates gave his to the cop.
Gates had just gotten off a flight from China, and I don't know if you ever have flown to that area, but it is exhausting enough, and shows up at his house to find his door jammed shut.
So he is already in a bad mood. Then having someone come up to you asking for your ID, who doesn't look like a police officer, it is bound to irk anyone. Yes, Gates could have played it cooler, but he is human. But the part where anyone would be upset, is when he does show his ID, the officer won't ID himself, and then the officer calls all the cops in Harvard over to see if Gates is who his ID says he is. That isn't just insulting, it is unnecessary and harrasment.
That still doesn't excuse the officer. I don't know if his motivations were racist, subconscious, or he was just ticked himself, but the fact is that he should have left the house after getting the ID. Period. Moreover, Gates shouldn't need to follow him outside to get his ID. Police are *our* employees, and I have asked a plain clothes officer to show me his badge and give me his name. He was seeing *red*, but tough cookies.
Gates had a legit beef. Even if he pursued it in a manner that was likely to escalate the situation. And the very fact that the charges were dropped if prima facie evidence that the charges simply wouldn't stand, because no court would consider his actions truly disorderly.
And as far as out President's comments, they are so common sense I can't believe people have a problem with them. Not accepting the ID as proof that a feeble 58 year old man isn't a BE perp was "acting stupidly."
The good part is that both parties are opening a dialogue about this now, and that is a healthy thing for everyone in the nation to see. Both men can be more reasonable, and things can be worked out with civil discussion.