Who starts at OLB?

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    Who starts at OLB?

    With AD released and Burgess still unsigned who are the starting OLBers?
    Guyton, Alexander,Woods,Nichovich, McKenzie, Cable, Cunningham, Murrell,TBC

    This group doesn't exactly pose any fear in our opponents do they. 
     
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    I'm hoping Cunningham can transition from a DE to OLB in a hurry.
    Otherwise, we really haven't solved our pass rush problems from last year.

    Unfortunately, I'm not sure if BB adequately addressed our pass rush needs. I guess he's praying our secondary or linebackers get better in coverage.

     
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    Re: Who starts at OLB?

    Crable
     
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    Harley, TBC for sure and judging from the rumblings I keep hearing on the radio these guys really like Crable. Unfortunately we still don't know what he is capable of even if he stays healthy for a season but I would say Crable is in if he doesn't get hurt.
     
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    Re: Who starts at OLB?

    Based on the players they have on the roster it'll be TBC and Crable/Cunningham, IMO.
     
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    ewhite~ exactly TBC will start but isn't very good against the run (see Baltimore game) and pochen23 sees Cunningham starting which to me is crazy to have a rookie learn the OLB position and start there as well. Cable hasn't shown a damn thing, and Guyton Alexander Nichovich and Woods are backups and ST players. So the team needs to sign Burgess or another vet.
     
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    I think TCB definately starts.  He was very productive in both tackles and sacks in the 2nd half of the year. There was lots of blame to spread around vs Balt but TCB did have 8 tackles and 1 TFL.  I think the RDE was the biggest hole in the D and Guyton in the ILB. 

    Woods was invisible in the 2nd half (1 or less tackes in 8 of last 10 games) and Nickovich didn't do much either. They are probably fighting for 1 roster spot as backup.

    Maybe BB is waiting to see what Cunningham looks like in the camps and if Crable can stay healthy. If not, bring Burgress back in latter in the summer. 

    Who's gonna play RDE?  I think Wright is a solid backup but not a consistent starter.  So who's else is gonna fill the Right DE spot???
     
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    ewhite~ exactly TBC will start but isn't very good against the run (see Baltimore game) and pochen23 sees Cunningham starting which to me is crazy to have a rookie learn the OLB position and start there as well. Cable hasn't shown a damn thing, and Guyton Alexander Nichovich and Woods are backups and ST players. So the team needs to sign Burgess or another vet.
    Posted by HRK103


    I haven't given up on a trade yet and we may still see a big name cut but it's hard to find OLB's for our system. I think much like Burgess last year they might have their eye on a guy to use one of our many draft picks on.They started out pretty good on D last year but really faded. Could have been injuries too. I'm the eternal optimist and I expect good things out of this defense. Spikes has got a motor that won't quit. I think he works out well and Mayo can shine again this year.Mayo was never right after his injury last year either. We're due for a somewhat healthy season for a change.
     
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    How many are suggesting Crable at a starter here? Are you guys nuts? 

    For all his 'potential', he hasn't done anything in the NFL in two years. At least Pierre Woods can get onto the field. And what changed with Crable that makes him a starting quality player this year? Last year people said the bump from first to second year would occur. Are you guys arguing that he'll improve after another IR season (due to bruised shins!)? Why? Again, guys like Niko and Woods have actually played, unlike Crabel.

    So much time and thought was wasted on this guy last year. It really is a waste. Give me any player in the NFL that was productive after being IR'd for two straight seasons. Also, give me a guy who is IR'd for such a silly injury. Edelman, a rookie last year, played with a freakin cast on while Crabel was nursing his shin injury. Are you telling me that Edelman was more healthy than Crabel last December? There's no way. But why was one guy playing NFL football while the other was playing Madden? One guy can play in the NFL and one guys a 4a player that didn't really earn a roster spot. 

    I think they'll find some veteran depth at OLB, and some veteran that isn't on the team today will start outside along with TBC.
     
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    TBC is one starter (though he is more of a rusher then a 3 down lb) and as of right now I'm going to say Guyton.

    My reasoning is not that Guyton is the best LB but by simply eliminating the other players.

    Cummingham -  from initial reports he's going to be a rushing nickle OLB who has trouble in open space so setting the edge on the 1st and 2nd downs might be a bit much to ask for right now.

    Nich, Alex, Woods - all have proven nothing and are at best situational backup players. Nich might be the only one out of the group that has a possibility to be the starter.

    McKenzie - to me he's a ILB spelling Mayo and Spikes (speaking of which we have an ILB core of Spikes, Mayo, and McKenzie are you kidding me?)

    Crable - if healthy he'd be the starter but 2 seasons of injuries doesn't give much hope

    Finally Guyton - Not a rushing beast but starters play on the first couple of downs. He's got the speed and strength to set the edge and can drop back into coverage. I just don't see anyone else that can do that as effectively as Guyton.

    However, if Crable is healthy I see him being the starter while Guyton is a floater from ILB to OLB
     
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    I kind of think it's a little to early to hit the worry button. I'm sure the team is aware of the need for a decent OLB. the Pat's will either trade or pick up a player later before the start of the season.
     
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    3rd times a charm, hopefully it work out that way for crable...

     
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    hard to believe people on here STILL think crable will play and be a starter at that! ITS NOT HAPPENING!!! right now the starters are TBC and Ninkovitch, with cunningham waiting in the wings. hopefully he will build his way up to starter sometime during the season. best case senerio is they bring in someone else before the season who can nail down the other side. i also think that despite what people are saying about mckenzie, he could get a look on the outside.

    but anyway best case scenerio is cunnignham is starting by mid season and the other side is someone who is not on the team right now. that will free up TBC to be a 3rd down rusher which is his strong suit, and ninkovitch and the rest to be special teamers/depth guys.
     
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    they only have TBC, after that is a mystery.

     
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    Crable needs to stay healthy. TBC starts on one side, and a healthy Crable on the other. If he is unable to stay healthy, then they will probably use a platoon of players and rotate them in depending on the situation. 

    Personally, I feel as though they should resign Burgess. If you take his stats from the last four games and project them over a full 16 game regular season, they work out to be 72 tackles and 12 sacks. 
     
     
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    It has to be TBC (only legit OLB right now) and we have to hope Cunningham will be the other as the roster stands today.  (pretty weak if you ask me)....but there is plenty of off-season still left, maybe they have someone else in mind that another team will be cutting?  Not sure....but based on the guys we currently have at OLB - we really gotta hope some of these pan out.
     
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    TBC and Cunningham.  cant say crable here not only because you cant rely on a 2 year IR veteran, but also because he lacks any type of power in his legs. the dudes got chicken legs, which are not a good trait for a 3-4 OLB.  Cunningham's got some work to do though.
     
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    Woods and Ninkovich on running downs with Tully Banta-Cain coming in for Woods on passing downs.

    Cunningham will at some point overtake Ninkovich
     
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    Well if Spikes is the MLB then Guytons going to get some reps outside,he is faster than any other LB outside of maybe the undrafted Free Agent from Montana State Dane Fletcher. So you wait and see how it plays out during camp. Here's a sleeper choice for OLB Bruce Davis.
     
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    I vote for Cunningham and Guyton. I realize that there has been some doubt here as to whether Guyton can handle the edge but his speed can be utillized on the outside. I would like to see him get a chance. He helped out quite a bit on the inside when Mayo was out.
     
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    ..... and of course TBC can then be utillized as a pass rush specialist which is what he is.
     
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    Assuming Spikes or MacKenzie can win an ILB slot, I think BB will experiment a bit with Guyton on the outside.  (He started Guyton outside several times last year and has praised Guyton's versatility to play multiple LB positions.)  I agree with Rockdog and MVPKilla and others that Guyton is undersized for the position and hasn't shown the ability to handle big blockers, which is so critical to being a truly effective OLB.  But I think Guyton is smart and hardworking and a BB kind of player, so I think he'll get a chance.  If he adds a few pounds over the offseason even better.  

    That said, I'm skeptical that Guyton is the long-term answer there and I really can't say for sure who (other than TBC) is a reliable option at that spot.  There are lots of potential candidates--but none of them has been a successful NFL 3-4 OLB before.  I think we just need to wait until training camp and preseason to see how this story unfolds.  Everything else is just pure speculation.  I can't even guess at this point . . . 
     
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    I'm pretty sure Guyton didn't play any OLB last year. Maybe he played OLB in a 4-3 set? Even when Thomas was deactivated they typically put Niko in there across from TBC.

    Maybe I was being a little harsh on Guyton, but the guy has great speed with awful instincts. The one thing I did notice two years ago when Guyton did play OLB was that he basically waited for the tackles or TE's to come to him. He was slow with his reads, which I would also say is the case for him at ILB. Maybe if he knew the position better he would react quicker (like Colvin did in the same game that Guyton was dominated in). To me Guyton seems like a fast, hardworking linebacker who doesn't have great football instincts.

    The OLB is by far the weakest position on the roster, and I can definitely see BB picking up an OLB prior to the season.  


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    Assuming Spikes or MacKenzie can win an ILB slot, I think BB will experiment a bit with Guyton on the outside.  (He started Guyton outside several times last year and has praised Guyton's versatility to play multiple LB positions.)  I agree with Rockdog and MVPKilla and others that Guyton is undersized for the position and hasn't shown the ability to handle big blockers, which is so critical to being a truly effective OLB.  But I think Guyton is smart and hardworking and a BB kind of player, so I think he'll get a chance.  If he adds a few pounds over the offseason even better.   That said, I'm skeptical that Guyton is the long-term answer there and I really can't say for sure who (other than TBC) is a reliable option at that spot.  There are lots of potential candidates--but none of them has been a successful NFL 3-4 OLB before.  I think we just need to wait until training camp and preseason to see how this story unfolds.  Everything else is just pure speculation.  I can't even guess at this point . . . 
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    I'm pretty sure Guyton didn't play any OLB last year. Maybe he played OLB in a 4-3 set? 
    Posted by Rockdog1293000


    In the Monday night Buffalo game he played 4-3 OLB (he's actually a pretty good Will, I think).  He also started at OLB against Miami and the Jets.  I don't remember exactly what defense they were playing against the Jets.  With Miami, though, it was a weird package because of the wildcat (I remember them lining Wilfork up on the outside too).  

    I don't think you're too hard on him.  His weakness shedding blocks is obvious--whether he's playing inside or outside.  He also hasn't shown great pass rush moves.  He isn't a bad tackler or pass defender (for a LB) though, and he has great straight-line speed.  Plus I think he's smart and knows what he's supposed to do. That's why I think he'll get a chance at OLB, though the jury's still out whether he'll be able to play that spot on a regular basis.
     
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    Re: Who starts at OLB?

    PatsEng... I think you have pretty well said what the situation is. I might give a little more benefit of the doubt to Crable though cause BB must think he has a shot to still be here right?

     

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