Will the Feds Ruin the NFL?

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    Will the Feds Ruin the NFL?

         I've been dreading what I knew was inevitable...that the Feds would somehow involve themselves in the upcoming struggle between the NFLPA and the NFL owners. Apparently, there's an investigation (witch-hunt?) underway, which is checking into alleged collusion between some NFL player-reps, and the owners. The investigatory premise is that player reps disclosed Union strategy and information to the owners during the last contract negotiations...which gave the owners an alleged unfair advantage over the Union in negotiations: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/01/federal-investigation-of-nflpa-could-be-accelerating/
     
         Why this? Why now? The current federal regime is clearly pro-union. Is the purpose of this "investigation" really to right a wrong...or to pressure the owners into granting a deal favorable to the unions? Could this lead to the abolishment of a salary cap, and baseball, or NBA style, free agency? Could this be the first step to the establishment of a federal commission to "regulate" sports in the U.S.? Do we really want politicians and bureaucrats running the NFL?

         Thoughts?     
     
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    Do we really want politicians and bureaucrats running the NFL?      Thoughts?     
    Posted by TexasPat3


    No, we do not.

    But surely you're not still laboring under the misconception that your government gives a tinker's damn what you want or think.




     
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    You mean there actually is a government?  I thought it was a myth my boss made up to withhold half my paycheck.  Just what sort of awesome things is this "government" doing with all our money?
     
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    In Response to Will the Feds Ruin the NFL? : No, we do not. But surely you're not still laboring under the misconception that your government gives a tinker's damn what you want or think.
    Posted by p-mike


         Yes, I know. That's why I'm concerned.
     
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     You young kids today are a bunch of spoiled brats.
     
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    So the richer ones with more power and money are doing everything they can both legal and illegal, in their attempts to undermine the lesser rich ones who are the source, the workers and the vehicle that brings the richer ones with more power and money, ADDED power and money, and someone steps in too say, "We;re gonna start to maybe, perhaps, Watch you richer ones IF you're doing something underhanded in order to keep more of your power and money from the ones bringing you your power & money," AND you're screaming that it's unjust to regulate those who are attempting to undermine those lesser rich ones whom are attempting to take a little larger portion of the wealth & power they bring to someone else?  Stupid Socialism and their checks on greed, monopolies, and backroom deals... 

    Rather than ridiculously idealistic & unustly entitled Unions backed by Big Government getting the majority's back over the sad and beaten up minority (cough-with all the $ and power), I really believe in my heart that we should simply go by the "Honor System," rather than having any dubious Worker's Rights Association...  It could go like this:

    Player/Worker:  "Hey Mr. Chairman, Owner, President and/or CEO, Can I possibly get a bit of a raise this year perhaps...It LOOKS like we're doing real well as a Company...Increased Production, Increased Sales, ad Increased Demand, Consumers, and on and on- THAT equals increased Profits, right?"

    Chairman/Owner:  "Sorry, truth be told, For some reason, We actually LOST money the past several years...you might need to have a cut in pay."

    Player/Worker:  "Is that TRUE!?!  Wow, I'd never guess that by all the expansion and consumer awareness and demand for our services which I've seen...  Can I see the Profit Margin book?"

    Chairman/Owner:  "Yup, God's honest truth...and we forgot to make a ledger on that, So you need to simply trust me on this one."

    Worker/Player:  "Well, o.k. then- If you say so...You'd never lie to me."

    Chairman/Owner:  "That's right!  Btw, this counts as your coffee break and yearly vacation too."
     
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    So the richer ones with more power and money are doing everything they can both legal and illegal, in their attempts to undermine the lesser rich ones who are the source, the workers and the vehicle that brings the richer ones with more power and money, ADDED power and money, and someone steps in too say, "We;re gonna start to maybe, perhaps, Watch you richer ones IF you're doing something underhanded in order to keep more of your power and money from the ones bringing you your power & money," AND you're screaming that it's unjust to regulate those who are attempting to undermine those lesser rich ones whom are attempting to take a little larger portion of the wealth & power they bring to someone else?  Stupid Socialism and their checks on greed, monopolies, and backroom deals...

    RESPONSE: and their checks on freedom, individual choice, and the American dream. Who gets to "check" the greed, monopolies, and "backroom deals" of government?

     Rather than ridiculously idealistic & unustly entitled Unions backed by Big Government getting the majority's back over the sad and beaten up minority (cough-with all the $ and power), I really believe in my heart that we should simply go by the "Honor System," rather than having any dubious Worker's Rights Association...

    RESPONSE: Yeah...how's that "hope and change" working for ya? How is our current "honor system" working...whereby we elected people to represent us, and do the will of the people. How's that working out? 

    It could go like this: Player/Worker:  "Hey Mr. Chairman, Owner, President and/or CEO, Can I possibly get a bit of a raise this year perhaps...It LOOKS like we're doing real well as a Company...Increased Production, Increased Sales, ad Increased Demand, Consumers, and on and on- THAT equals increased Profits, right?" Chairman/Owner:  "Sorry, truth be told, For some reason, We actually LOST money the past several years...you might need to have a cut in pay." Player/Worker:  "Is that TRUE!?!  Wow, I'd never guess that by all the expansion and consumer awareness and demand for our services which I've seen...  Can I see the Profit Margin book?" Chairman/Owner:  "Yup, God's honest truth...and we forgot to make a ledger on that, So you need to simply trust me on this one." Worker/Player:  "Well, o.k. then- If you say so...You'd never lie to me." Chairman/Owner:  "That's right!  Btw, this counts as your coffee break and yearly vacation too."

    RESPONSE: If the worker thinks that he's getting the shaft, he can choose to go work elsewhere, for better benefits and more money. But...lets try this scenario: "Hey doctors...we (the government) think that you're making too much money. So, we decided to regulate your pay at $50,000/year. If that's the case, who will want to become a doctor  anymore?

    Or...we (government) believe that it's unfair for one factory worker to make more money than another...so...all factory workers will get paid $10.00 per hour. If that's the case, what will become of the factory worker who produces 10 units per day, while the average output of other workers is just 4 per day? Where's his incentive to continue his high output, when there's no chance at a raise or advancement (to get promoted, you have to be in The Party, or know someone). 

    Yeah boy...love that Socialism.    


    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium

     
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    Wow.  Are you guys really going to debate capitalism vs. socialism here?  While I'm surprised there are some vocal anti-Obamites in the great blue region of New England, I think I'll move on to the next football-related thread...
     
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    Wow.  Are you guys really going to debate capitalism vs. socialism here?  While I'm surprised there are some vocal anti-Obamites in the great blue region of New England, I think I'll move on to the next football-related thread...
    Posted by JulesWinfield


         I was hoping that it wouldn't come to that...but I knew that some idiot would turn it into that. I don't want to see the government getting involved in the NFL. Their attentions should be on the economy, and the defense of our country and citizenry...not whether the NFLPA is getting a fair shake. 
     
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    I live in the United States of America.  I am free.  I live in a land that has surplus.  I do not expect to lose my life today.  My children attend school, free.  There is a regular flow of commerce that allows me to hold a decent paying job.  There are rules to ensure that there is a level playing field for all.  There are police, and firemen, and swat teams, and there are people who make sure that those who hold evil or malice do not perpetrate crime and evil without opposition.  THIS IS WHAT GOVERNMENT does.  All you "i hate the government"  please leave.  I LIKE GOVERNMENT, it is what keeps up from being Bosnia, or Rwanda, or even Mexico.  They are not always right, but it WORKS.  I am an American.  I love my country.  I don't always agree with it.  But I believe it works as it was designed to.  It reflects the will of the people, even if that means something I don't personally like.  If all you Texas people don't feel that way, and continually invoke your "right" to succeed, GO AHEAD.  Getting a bit tired of the anti-government rants anyway.  See ya later!  Also, the NFL has been classified a MONOPOLY, so the standard anti-collusion investigation is happening.  It is normal, and unless you LIKE monopolies, shouldn't bother you much.
     
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    This Government Bought General Motors with our Money and gave 51% to the United Auto Workers Union instead of paying off the Secured Bond holders which they were bound by law to do. They can do anything they want and if you fight them in court they have the deck and the judges stacked against you. The Black Helicopter conspiracy theories that I used to laugh at 10 years have all come to fruition. Skrewwing with the NFL is childs play for them.
     
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    So the richer ones with more power and money are doing everything they can both legal and illegal, in their attempts to undermine the lesser rich ones who are the source, the workers and the vehicle that brings the richer ones with more power and money, ADDED power and money, and someone steps in too say, "We;re gonna start to maybe, perhaps, Watch you richer ones IF you're doing something underhanded in order to keep more of your power and money from the ones bringing you your power & money," AND you're screaming that it's unjust to regulate those who are attempting to undermine those lesser rich ones whom are attempting to take a little larger portion of the wealth & power they bring to someone else?  Stupid Socialism and their checks on greed, monopolies, and backroom deals...  Rather than ridiculously idealistic & unustly entitled Unions backed by Big Government getting the majority's back over the sad and beaten up minority (cough-with all the $ and power), I really believe in my heart that we should simply go by the "Honor System," rather than having any dubious Worker's Rights Association...  It could go like this: Player/Worker:  "Hey Mr. Chairman, Owner, President and/or CEO, Can I possibly get a bit of a raise this year perhaps...It LOOKS like we're doing real well as a Company...Increased Production, Increased Sales, ad Increased Demand, Consumers, and on and on- THAT equals increased Profits, right?" Chairman/Owner:  "Sorry, truth be told, For some reason, We actually LOST money the past several years...you might need to have a cut in pay." Player/Worker:  "Is that TRUE!?!  Wow, I'd never guess that by all the expansion and consumer awareness and demand for our services which I've seen...  Can I see the Profit Margin book?" Chairman/Owner:  "Yup, God's honest truth...and we forgot to make a ledger on that, So you need to simply trust me on this one." Worker/Player:  "Well, o.k. then- If you say so...You'd never lie to me." Chairman/Owner:  "That's right!  Btw, this counts as your coffee break and yearly vacation too."
    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium


    Chairman/Owner:  By the way, no one's making you work here.  If you dont' like it, you're free to leave any time.
     
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    In Response to Re: Will the Feds Ruin the NFL? :      I was hoping that it wouldn't come to that...but I knew that some idiot would turn it into that. I don't want to see the government getting involved in the NFL. Their attentions should be on the economy, and the defense of our country and citizenry...not whether the NFLPA is getting a fair shake. 
    Posted by TexasPat3


    You can ALWAYS count on the government to focus precisely on the matters that don't need their intervention.
     
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    By the way, read the Beast from Jekyll Island if you want some in-depth insight into the American banking industry, what FDIC really stands for, and how the banking industry is the driving force behind inflation, real estate busts/booms, war, and just about everything else.

    Good read/
     
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    They can't do any worse than Goodell has already done. The NFL needs to be to fixed from the inside out.
     
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    I live in the United States of America.  I am free.  I live in a land that has surplus.  I do not expect to lose my life today.  My children attend school, free.  There is a regular flow of commerce that allows me to hold a decent paying job.  There are rules to ensure that there is a level playing field for all.  There are police, and firemen, and swat teams, and there are people who make sure that those who hold evil or malice do not perpetrate crime and evil without opposition.  THIS IS WHAT GOVERNMENT does.  All you "i hate the government"  please leave.  I LIKE GOVERNMENT, it is what keeps up from being Bosnia, or Rwanda, or even Mexico.  They are not always right, but it WORKS.  I am an American.  I love my country.  I don't always agree with it.  But I believe it works as it was designed to.  It reflects the will of the people, even if that means something I don't personally like.  If all you Texas people don't feel that way, and continually invoke your "right" to succeed, GO AHEAD.  Getting a bit tired of the anti-government rants anyway.  See ya later!  Also, the NFL has been classified a MONOPOLY, so the standard anti-collusion investigation is happening.  It is normal, and unless you LIKE monopolies, shouldn't bother you much.
    Posted by Davedsone


     I salute you sir.

     
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    ...If all you Texas people don't feel that way, and continually invoke your "right" to succeed, GO AHEAD...
    Posted by Davedsone


    I'm not from Texas, but I hereby do invoke my right to "succeed."

    Thanks in advance for staying the he(ll) out of my way.
     
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    I live in the United States of America.  I am free.  I live in a land that has surplus.  I do not expect to lose my life today.  My children attend school, free.  There is a regular flow of commerce that allows me to hold a decent paying job.  There are rules to ensure that there is a level playing field for all.  There are police, and firemen, and swat teams, and there are people who make sure that those who hold evil or malice do not perpetrate crime and evil without opposition.  THIS IS WHAT GOVERNMENT does.  All you "i hate the government"  please leave.  I LIKE GOVERNMENT, it is what keeps up from being Bosnia, or Rwanda, or even Mexico.  They are not always right, but it WORKS.  I am an American.  I love my country.  I don't always agree with it.  But I believe it works as it was designed to.  It reflects the will of the people, even if that means something I don't personally like.  If all you Texas people don't feel that way, and continually invoke your "right" to succeed, GO AHEAD.  Getting a bit tired of the anti-government rants anyway.  See ya later!  Also, the NFL has been classified a MONOPOLY, so the standard anti-collusion investigation is happening.  It is normal, and unless you LIKE monopolies, shouldn't bother you much.
    Posted by Davedsone


    #1) Your children do not attend school for free.

    #2) Just because you support socialism and Marxism doesn't make anyone stupid for opposing it.

    #3) Nobody Hates America they dislike the gradual loss of their money and their freedoms.

    You support a liberal and socialist agenda commie boy. Don't start tearing people apart just because they are conservative. The next time a Republican Congress and president are elected you'll be the first one out there burning a flag.

    All these things that you talk about that you think are free cost me 40% of my paycheck every week and it's going up on a yearly basis. You may be fine with that and Government intrusion into private business but many aren't and that's our right too.

    If your not really a Commie lover get your head out of sand. But I can tell you are by the way you rank on Texas. As far as the will of the people that was thrown out the window by your commie buddies with the health care bill.

    See you in November Commie.
     
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    The funny thing abou the capitalism/socialism debate here is none of you know what the f you're talking about. There isn't a democracy on the planet that is purely one or the other. They're all a mixture of both.
     
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    In Response to Re: Will the Feds Ruin the NFL? : #1) Your children do not attend school for free. #2) Just because you support socialism and Marxism doesn't make anyone stupid for opposing it. #3) Nobody Hates America they dislike the gradual loss of their money and their freedoms. You support a liberal and socialist agenda commie boy. Don't start tearing people apart just because they are conservative. The next time a Republican Congress and president are elected you'll be the first one out there burning a flag. All these things that you talk about that you think are free cost me 40% of my paycheck every week and it's going up on a yearly basis. You may be fine with that and Government intrusion into private business but many aren't and that's our right too. If your not really a Commie lover get your head out of sand. But I can tell you are by the way you rank on Texas. As far as the will of the people that was thrown out the window by your commie buddies with the health care bill. See you in November Commie.
    Posted by underdogggg


    Are conservatives capable of reasoned political debate, or are they all, like you, completely unhinged? 
     
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    Wow are we really doing this? Debating government with each other? I mean again? Are we going to do this once every offseason? Last year I made a comment about Tony Dungy helping out Mike Vick and it turned into a 1000 post thread from Dungy to religion to government to anti abortion/pro choice and so on and so forth and now we have this?
    Posted by MVPkilla4life


    That thread was Epic!




     
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    In Response to Re: Will the Feds Ruin the NFL? : #1) Your children do not attend school for free. #2) Just because you support socialism and Marxism doesn't make anyone stupid for opposing it. #3) Nobody Hates America they dislike the gradual loss of their money and their freedoms. You support a liberal and socialist agenda commie boy. Don't start tearing people apart just because they are conservative. The next time a Republican Congress and president are elected you'll be the first one out there burning a flag. All these things that you talk about that you think are free cost me 40% of my paycheck every week and it's going up on a yearly basis. You may be fine with that and Government intrusion into private business but many aren't and that's our right too. If your not really a Commie lover get your head out of sand. But I can tell you are by the way you rank on Texas. As far as the will of the people that was thrown out the window by your commie buddies with the health care bill. See you in November Commie.
    Posted by underdogggg


    Oh yes, the Republicans are so much better than the Democrats.  When the Republicans controlled all three branches of government from 2001-2006 they cut spending so much and repaid the debt and didn't start a bunch of wars to help out their buddies in Saudi Arabia.
     
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    In Response to Re: Will the Feds Ruin the NFL? : Oh yes, the Republicans are so much better than the Democrats.  When the Republicans controlled all three branches of government from 2001-2006 they cut spending so much and repaid the debt and didn't start a bunch of wars to help out their buddies in Saudi Arabia.
    Posted by themightypatriotz


    I never said the republicans were good. I never said I liked George Bush. If you look closely enough there isn't much difference between Republicans and Democrats  right now. I just said the guy was commie and I'll stand by that. I want less government.

    In fact I'm going to turn the into a religious thread and say that he is also Godless. That will make this thread take off. LOL
     
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    The funny thing abou the capitalism/socialism debate here is none of you know what the f you're talking about. There isn't a democracy on the planet that is purely one or the other. They're all a mixture of both.
    Posted by Evil2010



    The U.S. is not a Democracy, it is a Republic and yes there is a difference.We are getting closer and closer to a Social Democracy every year which is what they have in Europe right now and which is also responsible for the Bankruptcy of Greece and the Borderline Bankruptcy of Portugal and Spain. Before you start telling people they don't know what there talking about get an education.
     
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    You mean there actually is a government?  I thought it was a myth my boss made up to withhold half my paycheck.  Just what sort of awesome things is this "government" doing with all our money?
    Posted by themightypatriotz


    Well, for example, in California they're issuing debit cards to welfare recepients that can be (and are being) used at local strip joints. 
     

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