Re: With Regards To Vince
posted at 2/17/2014 5:10 PM EST
In response to rkarp's comment:
In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:
In response to DeadAhead2's comment:
The Krapper has today backed down from a bet he offered with his own voluntary premise and now claims Larry Fitzgerald or Suh's cap hit is absorbed by the new team they'd be traded to.
This is AFTER he claims I don't know what I am talking about with regards to the cap.
Suh has Mayhew by the balls in Detroit. Will Mayhew make the wise move?
The Krapper claims I don't know the cap, but I've just embarrassed him again:
"There has been a lot of media chatter about the Lions being forced to trade Suh. But trading him not only weakens the defense considerably, it doesn’t really alleviate the cap problem. Without renegotiating the final year of his deal, Suh would still count $19.4 million against the cap if they trade or release him.
If you are looking for worst-case scenarios, there it is."
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140215/SPORTS0101/302150046#ixzz2tXDn8OYZ
This is why a trade is unlikely. Trading Suh creates 19 million in dead money for the Lions. They save just 3 million in cap space. The most likely scenario is they get a long term extension worked out. That will reduce cap cost significantly and allow them to keep Suh. Detroit is tight against the cap, but they're not in cap hell because they've got lots of good players signed.
Pro, cople of points.
The $19-20M in dead money against the cap is correct, but there is still a 2 years savings of $16M in actual base salary still due that the team would not have to pay
The return of players for Suh would allow the Lions to both draft for need and create ample $$$ available to fill in via FA go forward
There has been rampant speculation that Suh is a locker room cancer, and was the undermining factor on Schwartz being fired.
I actually like Suh the player, but cant see him working here financially, cant see the Pats parting with the assets needed to pull this off (both trade assets and $$$ assets)
If that base salary is guaranteed money and accounts for 16 million of the 19 million in dead money if Suh is cut, then a trade looks better, because the dead money for the Lions would only be 3 million, and the 16 million in guaranteed base would become the acquiring team's responsibility. So if his contract is structured with guaranteed base rather than with bonus, a trade is far more feasible. If the deal is structured this way, though, the acquiring team picks up that guaranteed base and has to apply it to their cap, so they'll need some hefty space to accomodate him.