Re: Would the Pats Be Terrible Without Brady?
posted at 12/4/2011 2:16 AM EST
In Response to Re: Would the Pats Be Terrible Without Brady?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Would the Pats Be Terrible Without Brady? :: Name me the teams in 2008 we beat that ended up with a winning record. RESPONSE: Yawn. We've had this conversation already, at least once. You go back and pull up the games...I've done it once before. You're as big a ball washer for Brady as "The Dog(gggg) is for Manning. You believe that the lion's share of the credit for the Pats' success over the years is due to Tom. I respectfully disagree...and give at least equal credit to BB.
Stating the facts isn't spin. Leaving out facts that confound your fallacy is. RESPONSE: Yawn. Winning 11 games in an NFL season is an extremely hard thing to do...no matter who you play. I also recall some of the losses...an 18-15 loss in Indy, in a game where the Pats outplayed the Colts, and should have won...and a loss at home in OT to the Jets. The FACTS are that you refuse to give BB and the 2008 Pats their due...out of concern that this would somehow minimize the importance of Tom.
Also, relying on subjective factors such as him not having full control is spinning. Are you saying people were telling him how to coach the team? Kind of funny you imply he didn't have "the personnel". EXACTLY. He didn't have Brady, ChucklinMAO.RESPONSE: Whatever...LOL!!!
Posted by BabeParilli
Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]
The difference is I don't have to cling to the one year to prove my point.
BB is 1 for 7 making the playoffs without Brady. He is about to be 9 out of 10 making the playoffs with Brady. It just doesn't get any more obvious than that.
I'll give you the rundown on your one and only season you desperately cling to.
W Chiefs 2-14
W Jets 9-7
L Dolphins 11-5
W 49ers 7-9
L Chargers 8-8
W Broncos 8-8
W Rams 2-14
L Colts 12-4
W Bills 7-9
L Jets 9-7
W Dolphins 11-5
L Steelers 12-4
W Seahawks 4-12
W Raiders 5-11
W Cards 9-7
W Bills 7-9
That's 3 out of 11 wins against teams with a winning record. And two of those teams that we beat with a winning record also beat us. And the Cards had clinched and were mailing it in.
One fouth of the schedule was against teams that won no more than 5 games.
We beat one team with more than 9 wins.
Not impressive. Stick your head in the sand of 2008 if you like and ignore the obvious.
Where you're going wrong is that you overrate the impact a great coach can have and underrate the impact a great QB can have.
Are Tomlin, Cowher, Coughlin, Payton, Dungy and McCarthy as good a HC as BB? Of course they're not. But they have won a SB since BB has.
BB is the best coach but a great HC is not the common denominator to winning SBs. It's the QB. You just have to have some other playmakers too. And that's where we have failed. BB has no coaching magic to make up for the playmakers getting old and him not replacing them through the draft and free agency.
Rodgers, 2 Mannings, Roethlisburger and Brees are the common denominator for winning the SB. And they are very good to elite (except Eli who is inconsistent).
The teams that have been consistent winners over the last 10 years or so all have a very good QB, and not necessarily a great HC.
You will see in due time just how much a great coach can will a team to win. All through history the wins follow the great players, not the great coaches.