Wozzy's Draft Guide 2013

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    You seem very threatened by my post, why don't you ignore it.

    Years from now when Floyd is all done and had a genuinely mediocre career we can revisit it.

     
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    And PS I give a rat's as where these guys are ranked according to Mel Kiper.  

    I know you keep saying you're not basing your opinion on Kiper but since you don't have any more inside information than myself or other poster's here on the big boards of actual NFL teams I'll have to assume your one of his disciples, since you base your decisions on "rankings" as the end all be all.  

    Ask him how he missed so wildly on Ryan Leaf when you go for his autograph...  these are MY rankings, you don't have to like it.  I also place Kawaan Short who was previously ranked higher than Shariff even further down the list... you sound like a guy with serious control issues.

     
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    Swopes will end up being slot receiver in the NFL but will be gone before the Pats select in the third round  . . . my prediction for this years draft . . .  if he is there in the 7th round or if they get a 5th or 6th round pick in a trade then Pats select Denard Robinson . . . he is a BB type of player.  He could fill in on punt and kickoff returns, could do the wild-cat, he could fill-in as a D-back, he runs well out of the backfield and he has shown in the College All-Star game that he can develop into a slot receiver and has enough outside speed to back up as the wideout.  Could also be the 3rd QB if needed!  In high school (Deerfield Beach) he ran a 4.32 40 yard dash and was a member of the Florida 4x400 meter state championship relay team.  Think Brady would not mind working with a Michigan guy!

     
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    Swopes will end up being slot receiver in the NFL but will be gone before the Pats select in the third round  . . . my prediction for this years draft . . .  if he is there in the 7th round or if they get a 5th or 6th round pick in a trade then Pats select Denard Robinson . . . he is a BB type of player.  He could fill in on punt and kickoff returns, could do the wild-cat, he could fill-in as a D-back, he runs well out of the backfield and he has shown in the College All-Star game that he can develop into a slot receiver and has enough outside speed to back up as the wideout.  Could also be the 3rd QB if needed!  In high school (Deerfield Beach) he ran a 4.32 40 yard dash and was a member of the Florida 4x400 meter state championship relay team.  Think Brady would not mind working with a Michigan guy!



    Agreed with that if he's still around late, he's Edelmen with a rocket attached to his back. The guy was very highly ranked in every category at the combine.

     

     
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    You seem very threatened by my post, why don't you ignore it.

    Years from now when Floyd is all done and had a genuinely mediocre career we can revisit it.




    This and the post that followed it are what people caught with their pants down say when they give up trying to defend themselves when they are clearly proven wrong, and rather than just be a man and admit it, they instead just spin off in different directions and pretend to take the high road.... b/c there is no leg to stand on anymore when it comes to the original error that was made. The original boo-boo was no big deal, until someone couldn't admit to it, then it just became sad to watch the spin

     
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    You seem very threatened by my post, why don't you ignore it.

    Years from now when Floyd is all done and had a genuinely mediocre career we can revisit it.

     




    This and the post that followed it are what people caught with their pants down say when they give up trying to defend themselves when they are clearly proven wrong, and rather than just be a man and admit it, they instead just spin off in different directions and pretend to take the high road.... b/c there is no leg to stand on anymore when it comes to the original error that was made. The original boo-boo was no big deal, until someone couldn't admit to it, then it just became sad to watch the spin

     



    let it go rame.

     
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    This and the post that followed it are what people caught with their pants down say when they give up trying to defend themselves when they are clearly proven wrong, and rather than just be a man and admit it, they instead just spin off in different directions and pretend to take the high road.... b/c there is no leg to stand on anymore when it comes to the original error that was made. The original boo-boo was no big deal, until someone couldn't admit to it, then it just became sad to watch the spin

     



    lol, I don't know what your point is anymore.  I was clearly proven wrong?  I didn't know having an opinion was a right or wrong affair...  

     

    But again, if time proves me wrong a year from now when I do this again and am forced to revisit my picks from the previous draft and Shariff Moore was the consensus defensive Rookie Of The Year then I'll come back and here say you were right.

    On the flip side when he gets drafted high, like I've agreed he may very well and becomes an average, middle of the road player I'm sure you will be nowhere to be found, even if I go chasing for you back to the Celtic's board.  

    The guy had 4 sacks in his entire college career as a lightning quick, get in the backfield type D lineman, conversely Star Lotulelei had 5 in his final season at Utah and he's considered a "run stuffer." He may thrive in a 4/3 surrounded by large ends and another monster, run stuffing tackle next to him, he may even be OK as a 3/4 end but he certainly CAN"T UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES play nose tackle in the 3/4.

    The Patriots need an undersized defensive tackle who doesn't sack people and won't dominate against the run like they need another porn movie starring Brandon Spikes...

     
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    I half expect BB to trade OUT of the first round and get a pick later this year (2nd or 3rd) and a pick next year. THis unless there are one or two players he would wait for and they do fall.

     
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    I half expect BB to trade OUT of the first round and get a pick later this year (2nd or 3rd) and a pick next year. THis unless there are one or two players he would wait for and they do fall.



    Both DT and WR are very deep this year, if it comes time to pick and BB sees a lot of value there he may very well trade down.  Then again the value of a late first rounder is much better since they changed the rookie pay scale, moving down may not be what it used to be.  I really hope they've target Jenkins or Sylvester Williams and grab him if he's still there or if Hankins drops further than expected that they actually move up to get him.

     
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    I don't follow college football closely enough to really have strong opinions one way or the other on any players.  I find other people's suggestions interesting, but really can't say who's right or who's wrong, because I don't watch enough college football to form my own opinion and would therefore be relying only on what I read.  

    As far as Wozzy's list, it is consistent with Wozzy's philosophy about what makes good football.  If you read Wozzy's posts regularly as I do, you know he likes power football on both offense and defense.  He tends to rate big, powerful players more highly than speedy, agile players.  That's one reason he likes 3-4 better than 4-3 and is big on the running game (and TEs and fullbacks) more than the passing game (and WRs).  This is all reasonable . . . the power game is a great game.  Personally, though, I tend to think Belichick is very flexible and will adjust scheme to available talent rather than sticking to one approach.  I could see Belichick moving back to the big two-gap 3-4 he used in the past or staying with an approach that emphasizes speed a bit more with more one-gap 4-3 concepts employed.  

    Will be interesting to see how it works out in the draft. 

     

     
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    I could see Belichick moving back to the big two-gap 3-4 he used in the past or staying with an approach that emphasizes speed a bit more with more one-gap 4-3 concepts employed.  

    Will be interesting to see how it works out in the draft. 

     



    Thanks for the reasonable exchange Prolate, I would also add that Vince Wilfork is 31 years old, my picks also reflect an eye toward the future.

     

     
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    I could see Belichick moving back to the big two-gap 3-4 he used in the past or staying with an approach that emphasizes speed a bit more with more one-gap 4-3 concepts employed.  

    Will be interesting to see how it works out in the draft. 

     



    Thanks for the reasonable exchange Prolate, I would also add that Vince Wilfork is 31 years old, my picks also reflect an eye toward the future.

     



    Yeah, the amount they rely on Vince scares me a tad.  If he goes down, it would be really ugly. 

    I always enjoy your posts Wozzy, even when we disagree--and definitely respect both your knowledge and your point of view. 

     
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    Yeah, the amount they rely on Vince scares me a tad.  If he goes down, it would be really ugly. 

    I always enjoy your posts Wozzy, even when we disagree--and definitely respect both your knowledge and your point of view. 



    The feeling is mutual on both fronts, god forbid something happens to big Vince, Love will be our starting nose tackle?!

    Conversely if we had a starting 3 of Vince, Jenkins and Love/Armstead that would be a seriously formidable front.

     
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    I half expect BB to trade OUT of the first round and get a pick later this year (2nd or 3rd) and a pick next year. THis unless there are one or two players he would wait for and they do fall.

     



    Both DT and WR are very deep this year, if it comes time to pick and BB sees a lot of value there he may very well trade down.  Then again the value of a late first rounder is much better since they changed the rookie pay scale, moving down may not be what it used to be.  I really hope they've target Jenkins or Sylvester Williams and grab him if he's still there or if Hankins drops further than expected that they actually move up to get him.

     



    Actually Woz it is because of your own observation - that the draft is deep at some key positions and so trading down does not drop value too much (in general unless they target a specific few that might fall to them) - that I would think BB will trade down either for more picks this year or the same number this year and more next year. I think trading down this year and getting more next is the way he will go if he is not excited by the people he might target this year (this is in large part a factor of the comparison between potential rookies and the current roster including FA).

     

     

     
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    You seem very threatened by my post, why don't you ignore it.

    Years from now when Floyd is all done and had a genuinely mediocre career we can revisit it.

     




    This and the post that followed it are what people caught with their pants down say when they give up trying to defend themselves when they are clearly proven wrong, and rather than just be a man and admit it, they instead just spin off in different directions and pretend to take the high road.... b/c there is no leg to stand on anymore when it comes to the original error that was made. The original boo-boo was no big deal, until someone couldn't admit to it, then it just became sad to watch the spin

     

     



    let it go rame.

     




    its just kinda pathetic to see an arrogant person puff out their chest and act like this board has been anticipating their opinions on the draft and need his 'guide', and entire thread started, just to know about the talent at DT this year, a subject discussed in depth for months.

    Meanwhile at the same time he completely swings and misses on Floyd, clearly thinking a few days ago that the guy can be in the discussions for our pick at 29, which he can't. Then the refusal to budge, admit to any errors and in instead childishly lecture others and spin away from the main issue just became shameful and let me know the type of person wozzy really is.

    Ok, I'll move on now, clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow

     
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    You seem very threatened by my post, why don't you ignore it.

    Years from now when Floyd is all done and had a genuinely mediocre career we can revisit it.

     




    This and the post that followed it are what people caught with their pants down say when they give up trying to defend themselves when they are clearly proven wrong, and rather than just be a man and admit it, they instead just spin off in different directions and pretend to take the high road.... b/c there is no leg to stand on anymore when it comes to the original error that was made. The original boo-boo was no big deal, until someone couldn't admit to it, then it just became sad to watch the spin

     

     



    let it go rame.

     

     




    its just kinda pathetic to see an arrogant person puff out their chest and act like this board has been anticipating their opinions on the draft and need his 'guide', and entire thread started, just to know about the talent at DT this year, a subject discussed in depth for months.

     

    Meanwhile at the same time he completely swings and misses on Floyd, clearly thinking a few days ago that the guy can be in the discussions for our pick at 29, which he can't. Then the refusal to budge, admit to any errors and in instead childishly lecture others and spin away from the main issue just became shameful and let me know the type of person wozzy really is.

    Ok, I'll move on now, clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow




    Opinions differ. No surprise. That is suppose to be why they are opinions (though unfortunately we do live in a world where facts are treater like opinion!!!!!!! how rediculous is that?). There will be differences here. ANd it is fine to debate them. It is fine to be blunt if you choose to be. But it is usually not OK to be rude. I can fall into that sometimes. In the heat of it I think I am reacting to either rudeness or absurdity - and maybe I am many times but I suspect/expect I over react sometimes.

    But there is way too much of it here. Chill. Make your point... challenge someone to defend their points or refute yours. But if any of us are going to fall into insults think a 2nd and 3rd time before doing it.

    Comments like "clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow" and whatever comment may have antagonized to this point are just unnecessary. It is why many of us are reading fewer and fewer posts here.

    It would be nice if a specific post which was essentially a personal attack could be flagged that way so we could all just use the IGNORE for those posts! Now that would reduce the visible posts be a whole lot.

     

     
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    its just kinda pathetic to see an arrogant person puff out their chest and act like this board has been anticipating their opinions on the draft and need his 'guide', and entire thread started, just to know about the talent at DT this year, a subject discussed in depth for months.

    Meanwhile at the same time he completely swings and misses on Floyd, clearly thinking a few days ago that the guy can be in the discussions for our pick at 29, which he can't. Then the refusal to budge, admit to any errors and in instead childishly lecture others and spin away from the main issue just became shameful and let me know the type of person wozzy really is.

    Ok, I'll move on now, clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow

    "I didn't say Floyd was bad, he might even be considered one of the best 4/3 tackles on the board, most mocks are built for 4/3 defenses; I'm talking about the Patriots and I could be wrong."

     

    That's a quote from me responding to you a few days ago, that's me "being arrogant."  Me saying this is "all in fun," that it's "not to be taken seriously," that's me puffing out my chest?

    I'm pretty sure nobody is anticipating what anyone has to say here, but we come here to talk football not to get lectured by some halfwit with an axe to grind.  Nobody is hanging on your every word either Plato, but then again I'm not here policing what people can and cannot write, I'm not claiming to be the expert you seem to be.

    It wasn't my opinion Floyd would or wouldn't be available when we pick, it was my opinion he is a 2nd round talent.  I give a F whether you like it or not or whether you approve of my starting a thread, I'm sure this goes back ten years ago and my schooling you on the Celtics forum, I could care less. 

    As far as my manhood is concerned, what do you want from me, to change my opinion?  None of this draft talk, whether it's my thread, TexPats thread, MBeliueu's thread is based on fact, it's all opinion and opinions differ. 

    This sounds personal, so why don't you either put me on ignore or blow it out your a**

     

     
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    Where is Aaron Dobson?

     
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    its just kinda pathetic to see an arrogant person puff out their chest and act like this board has been anticipating their opinions on the draft and need his 'guide', and entire thread started, just to know about the talent at DT this year, a subject discussed in depth for months.

     

    Meanwhile at the same time he completely swings and misses on Floyd, clearly thinking a few days ago that the guy can be in the discussions for our pick at 29, which he can't. Then the refusal to budge, admit to any errors and in instead childishly lecture others and spin away from the main issue just became shameful and let me know the type of person wozzy really is.

    Ok, I'll move on now, clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow

     

     

    "I didn't say Floyd was bad, he might even be considered one of the best 4/3 tackles on the board, most mocks are built for 4/3 defenses; I'm talking about the Patriots and I could be wrong."

     

    That's a quote from me responding to you a few days ago, that's me "being arrogant."  Me saying this is "all in fun," that it's "not to be taken seriously," that's me puffing out my chest?

    I'm pretty sure nobody is anticipating what anyone has to say here, but we come here to talk football not to get lectured by some halfwit with an axe to grind.  Nobody is hanging on your every word either Plato, but then again I'm not here policing what people can and cannot write, I'm not claiming to be the expert you seem to be.

    It wasn't my opinion Floyd would or wouldn't be available when we pick, it was my opinion he is a 2nd round talent.  I give a F whether you like it or not or whether you approve of my starting a thread, I'm sure this goes back ten years ago and my schooling you on the Celtics forum, I could care less. 

    As far as my manhood is concerned, what do you want from me, to change my opinion?  None of this draft talk, whether it's my thread, TexPats thread, MBeliueu's thread is based on fact, it's all opinion and opinions differ. 

    This sounds personal, so why don't you either put me on ignore or blow it out your a**

     




    Sorry, but it was your opinion that we could lump Floyd in with a bunch of guys actually projected to be around in rd 2 or when the Pats picked. That was your 'depth chart' not a projection of future talent, that was only your spin.

    Seriously, I said I was done with this, but for you to continue to insult Floyd while at the same time claiming you actually were aware he wouldn't be anywhere close to where the Pats picked (so why isn't he in rd 1 on your depth chart?) is sad. You ranked 11 DT's ahead of a likely top 10 pick, then acted like a defiant a** when called out on the error.

     
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    I'll spell it out for you since you seem to be slow on the uptake:

     

    Sorry, but it was your opinion that we could lump Floyd in with a bunch of guys actually projected to be around in rd 2 or when the Pats picked.

    Actually yes, that was my opinion, these people in my 2nd round on were inferior talents to the 1st round guys specifically and especially regarding Patriot needs, is this so hard to understand? 

    Jessie Williams, Akeem Spence, Sheldon Richardson, Kawaan Short, Bennie Logan and Brandon Williams are all projected on one mock draft or another to go in the 1st round as well, why is Shariff special, are you guys cousins or something?

    That was your 'depth chart' not a projection of future talent, that was only your spin.

    I don't know what this means^ but I don't think you know what a depth chart is or maybe what spin is?

    Seriously, I said I was done with this, but for you to continue to insult Floyd while at the same time claiming you actually were aware he wouldn't be anywhere close to where the Pats picked (so why isn't he in rd 1 on your depth chart?) is sad. You ranked 11 DT's ahead of a likely top 10 pick, then acted like a defiant a** when called out on the error.

    It's not an error, it's an opinion.  Please look up in the dictionary the difference between an "opinion" and "fact."  Numerous posters here have tried to point that out to you but you seem to think I made an "error."  I could insult Floyd all day, how does that translate to my insulting you? Also you don't know where the Pat's are picking because it's a fluid list, they could trade up for all you know, they did it twice last year.

    It's MY OPINION that Floyd will be an average player and it would be a mistake for the Patriots take him in the first round.  

    It's my opinion that he might make a solid 4/3 tackle for some team but for either the 3/4 or the 2/4/5 that the Pat's employ it would be a mistake to take him in the first round.  

    If you think he could play nose tackle for the Patriot's or any other 3/4 team you're absolutely delusional, if you want to take him as a 3/4 end fine, but there are other guys in this draft better suited for that job than he... IN MY OPINION.

    If you disagree that is your right but don't sit there and say I'm wrong because last I checked you're not god... you might think you are but that's neither here nor there.  But either way I find it insulting that you paint me as some wannabe expert when I do this every year in a tongue in cheek manner for fun.  

    I don't pretend to know anything, I try to be humble and listen to others opinions and respect them even if we don't agree, you should learn to disagree and articulate yourself without being insulting... I find it ironic on another thread you admonish Rusty/King for being so combative yet here you are acting like a complete tool.

     
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    You seem very threatened by my post, why don't you ignore it.

    Years from now when Floyd is all done and had a genuinely mediocre career we can revisit it.

     




    This and the post that followed it are what people caught with their pants down say when they give up trying to defend themselves when they are clearly proven wrong, and rather than just be a man and admit it, they instead just spin off in different directions and pretend to take the high road.... b/c there is no leg to stand on anymore when it comes to the original error that was made. The original boo-boo was no big deal, until someone couldn't admit to it, then it just became sad to watch the spin

     

     



    let it go rame.

     

     




    its just kinda pathetic to see an arrogant person puff out their chest and act like this board has been anticipating their opinions on the draft and need his 'guide', and entire thread started, just to know about the talent at DT this year, a subject discussed in depth for months.

     

    Meanwhile at the same time he completely swings and misses on Floyd, clearly thinking a few days ago that the guy can be in the discussions for our pick at 29, which he can't. Then the refusal to budge, admit to any errors and in instead childishly lecture others and spin away from the main issue just became shameful and let me know the type of person wozzy really is.

    Ok, I'll move on now, clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow

     




    Opinions differ. No surprise. That is suppose to be why they are opinions (though unfortunately we do live in a world where facts are treater like opinion!!!!!!! how rediculous is that?). There will be differences here. ANd it is fine to debate them. It is fine to be blunt if you choose to be. But it is usually not OK to be rude. I can fall into that sometimes. In the heat of it I think I am reacting to either rudeness or absurdity - and maybe I am many times but I suspect/expect I over react sometimes.

     

    But there is way too much of it here. Chill. Make your point... challenge someone to defend their points or refute yours. But if any of us are going to fall into insults think a 2nd and 3rd time before doing it.

    Comments like "clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow" and whatever comment may have antagonized to this point are just unnecessary. It is why many of us are reading fewer and fewer posts here.

    It would be nice if a specific post which was essentially a personal attack could be flagged that way so we could all just use the IGNORE for those posts! Now that would reduce the visible posts be a whole lot.

     



    +1

     
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    You seem very threatened by my post, why don't you ignore it.

    Years from now when Floyd is all done and had a genuinely mediocre career we can revisit it.

     




    This and the post that followed it are what people caught with their pants down say when they give up trying to defend themselves when they are clearly proven wrong, and rather than just be a man and admit it, they instead just spin off in different directions and pretend to take the high road.... b/c there is no leg to stand on anymore when it comes to the original error that was made. The original boo-boo was no big deal, until someone couldn't admit to it, then it just became sad to watch the spin

     

     



    let it go rame.

     

     




    its just kinda pathetic to see an arrogant person puff out their chest and act like this board has been anticipating their opinions on the draft and need his 'guide', and entire thread started, just to know about the talent at DT this year, a subject discussed in depth for months.

     

    Meanwhile at the same time he completely swings and misses on Floyd, clearly thinking a few days ago that the guy can be in the discussions for our pick at 29, which he can't. Then the refusal to budge, admit to any errors and in instead childishly lecture others and spin away from the main issue just became shameful and let me know the type of person wozzy really is.

    Ok, I'll move on now, clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow



    "Ok, I'll move on now,

    THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN WISE

    clearly he won't be a real man on the subject anyhow"

     

    THAT WAS ANOTHER (UNNNECESSARY) WIPE.

     
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    BURY THE HATCHET BOTH OF YOU AND JUST BE CIVIL.

    FORGET THE PAST and move on.

     
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    Re: Wozzy's Draft Guide 2013

    So wozzy do you narrow the names down as you go along? I look at everyone's mock I as you would like a nose with our first pick. Heck even if we get phil Taylor I'd like another d tackle with pick 1. 

     
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    Re: Wozzy's Draft Guide 2013

    In response to Philskiw1's comment:

    So wozzy do you narrow the names down as you go along? I look at everyone's mock I as you would like a nose with our first pick. Heck even if we get phil Taylor I'd like another d tackle with pick 1. 



    Yeah I would have done it already but I'm in the middle of moving, I'll try to post more position groups before the draft and maybe even a final Patriots mock.

     

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