Re: I assume Theo will go after BJ Upton now!
posted at 7/30/2012 1:07 PM EDT
In Response to Re: I assume Theo will go after BJ Upton now!
[QUOTE]Stay out of the Rays dumpster. They have a wealth of young talnet from years of being losers and can't afford to field a title contender. They know their players better than anyone, so Shileds and BJ are in the dumpser for a reason. Red Sox need to keep Sweeney, their best defensive OF"er by far. They need to acquire Justin Upton by offering: Ellsbury + their pick of 3 or 4 from the following pool of players Aviles Salty Anyone on the farm but Barnes, Bradley, Jr, Lavarnway and Iglesias Because Ellsbury is worth Type A compensation if the DBacks decide to pass on the FA bidding at the end of 2013, the DBacks will be able to take this package and turn it into Ellsbury and the prospects and young players the DBacks want via 3rd party if needed. The DBacks will be able to sell ticketsand more advertising and intellectual property licensing over the next 1.4 years to see Ellsbury play NL ball as a base stealer type of side show and a new face in town. Upton is a FA one year after Ellsbury, so it gives the DBacks more flexiblity and improves a losing status quo they have now. 2012 2-Month & change OF LF Crawford/Ross/Nava CF Sweeney/Ross (True platoon with Sweeney defensive sub for Ross) RF J. UPton/Ross/Nava If Crawford goes back on goldbricker list, Pods would take his place for rest of 2012 2013 LF Crawford/Ross/Nava CF Sweeney/Ross RF J. UPton/Ross/Nava If Bradley Jr. is ready during 2013, park Nava in AAA as long as possible and keep Sweeney. Nava's trade value is less than his value as OF depth in the minors for as long as possible until they have to trade him due to CBA clock factors. Sweeney is the best defensive OF'er I've seen since Evans. He's cheap, has low trade value, and has much more value as a platoon 4th./5th OF'er until his CBA clock runs down near the end.
Posted by TrotterNixon[/QUOTE]
The case has been made many times trading Ellsbury is necessary because the Sox are very unlikely to keep him--he's gone after 2013. But most of us agree Ellsbury's best use is as trade bait for a good starter and even admit Ellsbury by himself won't be enough.
What is this fixation on Justin Upton, who is an average to above average right fielder and nothing special? His fangraphs rating (2.0) is just a tad better than Cody Ross (1.7).
Last year Ellsbury was second in AL MVP voting--ahead of all other position players--and also won a gold glove. If he can't be used to help get a good starter, I would be all for keeping him because by the end of 2013 Bradley just might be ready to take over in CF. If everyone else is as scared as we are about negotiating with Boras, Ellsbury won't bring what he is worth in a trade.
And you not only want to give up Ellsbury for almost nothing, you want to sweeten the pot with a starting catcher and other goodies. For a right fielder whose primary virtue is he is young and hit over 30 dingers last year. But this year with well over half the season gone, he has 8 dingers. He has flash in the pan written all over him.
But, most of all, I don't understand your insistence on spending big time (in players, no salary) for a rightfielder when the biggest need is starting pitching.