Re: 1b and 3b solutions
posted at 8/14/2013 2:29 PM EDT
In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
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IMO Middlebrooks would be an outstanding 1st baseman. He is tall, athletic, has good hands and quick reaction at 3rd. How does that not translate into a good 1st baseman. The problem is SS for next year. Drew will not be signed and Bogearts will be the SS. If XB can play 3rd this season I am sure WM can play 1st. The downside is his projected stats that someone posted earlier. WM has a terrible obp....Nap is alot better even though he is a K machine. WM is also a K machine if you project the numbers. So in conclusion Nap stays at 1st. Bog comes up and gets his feet wet in sept. and hopefully helps out the team at 3b and SS. What we really need is Buch back pitching well.
But WMB is the better defender at 3B....why would you play 2 guys out of position?
I am not so sure Middy is a better 3Bman than Boggy. Middy struggled this year on defense as well as offense. Perhaps, with more play at 3B over his career, Middy may be better at this moment, but I am guessing that if Boggy was moved to 3B fulltime, maybe within a year, he'd be equal or better than Middy on defense at 3B. If not, then Boggy could be moved to 1B eventually.
There are some decent 1Bman bridge type free agents this year. I don't see any that can also play 3B, which would be nice, but it might be easier to resign Drew (I can't believe I'm saying that), put Boggy ay 3B (Middy back-up) and put Middy at 1B (Carp/Nava/Papi back-up). Either that or try and get one of these guys to agree to a 1 year deal: K Morales, Morneau, Morse, Konerko, Loney, or even Youk, Pena, Reynolds, Kotchman or Hafner as back-ups for Middy.
Moon I respect your posts and I consider you one of thee best and brightest posters in here but what is you obsession (I use the term obsession losely) with Bogaerts at 1B? You don't move a guy like Bogaerts to first base unless he stinks elsewhere. Middlebrooks throughout his pro career has been an oustanding defender, he looked bad earlier this year but I suspect his problems at the plate carried over to the field.
First, my biggest obsession, if that's what you want to call it, is having a tremendous fielder at the SS position. By all accounts, Boggy is not a tremendous fielder. Working from those two points, one can easily see my readiness to move Boggy. I am not alone in this position. Virtually every baseball site has some kind of mention that Boggy will or might be better suited at another position. The prevailing thought is that he is tall and will "fill out". Many sites have mentioned 3B as his probable destination in the major leagues. I haven't made this up out of some twisted fantasy.
Second, I do not know who is the better fielding 3Bman out of Middy, Boggy and Cecchini. I suspect Ben and Sox scouts have a better idea of that than I do. These players are all young and still growing, but fielding issues are usually the easiest to project going forward. That being said, I am guessing that Bogaerts can become better at 3B than Middy very quickly. 3Bmen often aare moved to 1B. It might be the easiest transition from one IF slot to another there ie. I am not saying Middy is terrible at 3B based on his troubles there in a small sample size earlier this year, although I did here he was struggling on D at AAA too (unconfirmed). From scouting reports, Middy is a good fielder, but that doesn't mean Boggy will be worse. I think Middy projects better as a 1Bman than Boggy as well, hence my guess that Boggy at 3B and Middy at 1B might be the best future for this combo of players.
Third, Cecchini might bump somone out of their slot, if he is a better fielder. Middy may slump again and never become a FT'er. If Middy ends up declining and Cecchi is better at 3B, I'd think about moving Boggy to 1B or maybe OF.
I do not think it would hurt to give Boggy some reps at 1B in AAA over the next 2 weeks. I do not want to throw Boggy at 1B this year, but if Naps and carp and Nava keep slumping, he may be the only hope to get production out of a position every other contender is getting.
I wont argue that Bogaerts could one day be a better 3Bman only because he is such a great athlete, but he has the athleticism and the arm to play almost any place on the diamond...why would we want to waste that on the field?
I want a better fielding SS and Boggy at 3B. It's that simple. 1B only comes into play if several thinks happen down the line.
I wouldn't mind seeing him there for a year if that was his path to the majors but he adds so much more value as a SS 3B OFer. I think as long as Bogearts can play the position he sticks at SS, especially with Iggy gone. I really like the idea of him and WMB playing next to each other. But Bogaerts athleticism coupled with our lack of outfield depth leads me to believe that if Bogaerts moves off SS then either him or WMB goes to LF.
Middy to 1B makes more sense than Middy to LF, especially since we have no future at 1B right now.
Then again if you are talking 10 years down the line if Boggy really keeps growing then perhaps I'm wrong, and I think the Sox will definitely pick from that group of bridge players.
Iget the net value of having a SS who rakes. We gain over almost every other MLB club on offense at a position other teams have sub .700 hitters. However, 3B is not the hitting position it used to be. Boggy could dominate that position as well, and we can maybe find a great fielding SS who hits well enough for Ben to keep. (Marrero?)