Re: A case for David Ortiz to the HOF
posted at 1/1/2014 10:27 AM EST
In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to hill55's comment:
In response to bosoxmal's comment:
This is s no brainer. DO has done more for Boston Baseball, than any player since TW. And that includes Martinez, Yaz, etc. He has transcended statistics, and is, right now, Baseball's Shing Light. Forget the stats, the positions played. That's all nothing but silly conversation.
PLUS, stop waffling and jerking him around with an extension. Give him the 2 years, and a mil or two more han his agent has asked.
HOF? A no-brainer, as I said, first ballot nearly unanimous.
David Ortiz finished 10th* in the American League MVP voting and posted spectacular postseason numbers in leading the Red Sox to the 2013 World Series title. Ortiz was the face of MLB for the month of October 2013.
If Hall of Fame voters continue to become more sabermetric-savvy, Ortiz won't come anywhere near a unanimous first-ballot selection to the Hall of Fame. Ortiz ranks in a tie for 391st in career WAR, as reported at Baseball Reference:
As a point of reference, Seattle designated hitter Edgar Martinez ranks in a tie for 109th. FanGraphs reports a similar disparity in career WAR with Martinez at 65.6 WAR and Ortiz at 40.9 WAR.
Taken literally, it's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Baseball's Best Players. With postseason heroics enroute to three World Series titles, Ortiz may well ride that fame into the Hall of Fame.
Ortiz has a career WAR of 44.2, according to Baseball Reference. The last five position players to be inducted on the first ballot were Ricky Henderson with a career WAR of 110.7, Cal Ripkin Jr. with a WAR of 95.6, Tony Gwynn with a WAR of 68.9, Wade Boggs with a WAR of 80.5 and Paul Molitor with a WAR of 75.5.
I just don't see Ortiz as a nearly unanimous first-ballot inductee.
* in 2013 Ortiz finished in the Top 10 in the AL MVP voting for the first time in six years. In the five previous seasons Ortiz finished in the top five without winning the honor.
I'm a big fan of great defense, but WAR overinflates some positions' defensive value.
Take Victorino's 2013 season. Was he really MLB's 15th most valued player?
He may very well have had the 7th best defensive output last year (+19.5), and RF defense is very important in Fenway, but he ranked 50th out of 140 ML'er on offense at +14.8.
I loved the season Shane gave us in 2013, but he was not the 15th best player in 2013. He missed 40 games and had a decent .802 OPS, but come on!
I respect WAR, but it has some flaws.
WAR for DHs and RP'ers needs to be adjusted.
BTW, Edgar Martinez deserves to be in the HOF- no doubt, but was his WAR much better than Papi's sue in part to playing 300 more games in the field and not as a DH?
I know his OBP was spectacular... something like over .420 for 7 straight years, and his SLG% was right up there as well. He had better numbers than Papi, but didn't shine like Papi in the postseason.