Re: A Realistic Look at 2012: Part II
posted at 5/16/2012 9:04 AM EDT
Nomar in his day had a cannon for an arm. He did not have breath taking range but he could make plays deep in the whole with that arm that Jeter only dreamed about.
With all due respect, I totally disagree. It was a mirage. His jumping-twiasting throws from the hole were not needed. Most other SSs would simple plant and throw. (Nomars twisting throws were better suited for a 2Bman going up the middle to make a stop and throw. There, twisting is needed.)
Yeah there probably was an argument to move Nomar to second rather than Reese. Bellhorn was a pretty poor 2B defensively, but in 2004 the guy was an K machine that produced a pretty darn high OBP. (.817 OPS that year but 177 Ks that drove many fans nuts). At any rate it all worked, that team IMO was a classic example of marginal D, good pitching and video game offense. Lot of average or marginal defensive players on that team and for all the RS thought for minute that Minky would be an uptick over Millar in the end Minky's bigest contribution was lighting a fire under Millar's but and lat inning defense when the RS had the lead.
I know Alex Gonzalez was and has been a really smooth and sure handed SS but IMHO his range has never been "jaw dropping". In fact in his day while he muffed his share of routine plays, Lugo IMHO had more range (debateable I know).
Granted, he had lost a step by the time we got him, but I still think he was worth keeping around, and as it turned out, his bat caught fire those years.
On the subject of Ellsbury, I think a lot will be tempered by whether the RS think they can go deep this next or next. If not, by all means they should trade Ellsbury if they can get a solid return. The RS simply aren't going to able to pay CC and Ellsbury in their OF. Sadly Ellsbury is probably the better of the two players but IMHO neither guy is a $20M OFer.
You state my position here better (and in less words) than I ever could do.
Long term deals are tough on the back end most of the time when they work and incredibly painful if the guy falters early in like CC has so far. The owners over the last few years have not modified the length of contracts at all (10 years for the 32 year old Puljos? 7 years for Werth at age 32?) I can't see with Boras as his representative where Ellsbury won't be looking for a contract at least the length of Werth's and if he shows close to the productivity he did in 2011 when he returns from the DL and 2012 the numbers could huge.
I totally agree, but my position takes it even further: even if we do match the highest offer for Ellsbury or even exceed it by a little, I still think he walks. This is what makes his case unique in recent Red Sox history, and why I think we should try to find equal value (not less) and trade him this July if we are 10-12 out or this winter.
Years of service versus picks or prospects only has value if you are going to seriously contend over the next year and half IMHO. If the RS do, great, but while I am not ready to just write off the RS it is hard to buy in 100% based on this recent streak against the Indians and M's either.
Correct, we should know more by July.