A Realistic View at 2013: Part II

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    This debate is ridiculous. It is not just the ground balls. How about the scoop and tags on steal attempts ? The double plays turned ?  The popups caught?   Iglesias is not only far better than Drew , but he is ,arguably , the best defensive shortstop in the game.  Forget your sample sizes. Just watch him play.

     

     




     

    I will count all plays made by Iggy that I do not think Drew makes, including DP, pop-ups caught, tags made, etc...

    I'm still guessing it will be 60-100 over 150 games, maybe more.




    There is no need to count them. Just watch and enjoy. Iglesias is an exceptional talent. Nothing against Drew , but there really is no comparison.

     
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    This debate is ridiculous. It is not just the ground balls. How about the scoop and tags on steal attempts ? The double plays turned ?  The popups caught?   Iglesias is not only far better than Drew , but he is ,arguably , the best defensive shortstop in the game.  Forget your sample sizes. Just watch him play.

     

     




     

    I will count all plays made by Iggy that I do not think Drew makes, including DP, pop-ups caught, tags made, etc...

    I'm still guessing it will be 60-100 over 150 games, maybe more.

     




    There is no need to count them. Just watch and enjoy. Iglesias is an exceptional talent. Nothing against Drew , but there really is no comparison.

     



    No "need" for sure, but many doubted my claim that Iggy is so good, he'll make 60-100 more plays over 150 games. I enjoy watching SS defense, so it does not interfere with my fun.

    I will continue to count until Iggy is sent down. You can choose to look away.

     
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    yes there is. the difference in offense between Drew and Iggy is vast just like the difference in defense. the question is, does Iggys extra defense outweigh Drews extra offense? Offensive numbers are easy to quantify. defense; not so much so if we know how many play Iggy makes over Drew we can determine who the better overall SS is.

    our debate is not impeding you in any way. so please, if you don't have anything to add then just shut up and go back to drooling over small samples.

     
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    This debate is ridiculous. It is not just the ground balls. How about the scoop and tags on steal attempts ? The double plays turned ?  The popups caught?   Iglesias is not only far better than Drew , but he is ,arguably , the best defensive shortstop in the game.  Forget your sample sizes. Just watch him play.

     

     




     

    I will count all plays made by Iggy that I do not think Drew makes, including DP, pop-ups caught, tags made, etc...

    I'm still guessing it will be 60-100 over 150 games, maybe more.

     




    There is no need to count them. Just watch and enjoy. Iglesias is an exceptional talent. Nothing against Drew , but there really is no comparison.

     

     



    No "need" for sure, but many doubted my claim that Iggy is so good, he'll make 60-100 more plays over 150 games. I enjoy watching SS defense, so it does not interfere with my fun.

     

    I will continue to count until Iggy is sent down. You can choose to look away.



    even after Iggy gets sent down we can still keep counting..

     
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    That play where Iggy dove on the ball and immediately composed himself to throw a strike to 2nd and they almost turned the double play with Rajai Davis burning down the line. That was impressive as heck. I don't care if Iggy is better...I just want to see more plays like that! This team is entertaining to watch.

     
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    I know that it is a long winter , snowy, and cloudy in Syracuse but you really need to get outside instead of being chained to your computer for 18 hrs. per day. Are you taking any vitamin D. Put your computer next to the window and get some of nature's vitamin D.  Two hot dogs, a bag of chips, and a coke are not good for one's diet. All of these threads go down the forum toilet every week. It's not worth it to waste your life here. We argued about Olerud and he is gone - all a waste of time.

     




    I like to give credit where it is due. I have to hand it to you. You are really on your game the past couple of days. Some classic stuff.  A shame that more people don't appreciate it.

     

     


    Thanks. It is good that a few of us have some character and a backbone and do not follow the Pied Piper or succumb to mob behavior. Many here listen to commands from J-Bay telling them to jump and they say " How high?" J-Bay gets them into his corner by saying " Hi Joe, how is your mother's lumbago coming?" or  "Hi Fred, have you moved from Vermont to Florida yet?" or " Hi Babe, welcome back, I missed you". It is phony and disingenuous.

     




    You're too funny, man..really!!!...LOL.  I spoke too soon when I said I'd send you one and only post.  I take it back.

     

     
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    This debate is ridiculous. It is not just the ground balls. How about the scoop and tags on steal attempts ? The double plays turned ?  The popups caught?   Iglesias is not only far better than Drew , but he is ,arguably , the best defensive shortstop in the game.  Forget your sample sizes. Just watch him play.

     

     




     

    I will count all plays made by Iggy that I do not think Drew makes, including DP, pop-ups caught, tags made, etc...

    I'm still guessing it will be 60-100 over 150 games, maybe more.

     




    There is no need to count them. Just watch and enjoy. Iglesias is an exceptional talent. Nothing against Drew , but there really is no comparison.

     




    I agree....

    You don't need numbers to know Iggy, defensively, is something special.

     
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    You forgot his tatoos, comic books, and wardrobe of Red Sox sweatshirts and uniforms. I always wanted to go to a Sox game in full RS uniform with a play station 3 in one hand and a yo-yo in the other and a bag of video games.

     




    It is sad what is happening to the youth of today. I wish there were more jobs available, so they could become productive citizens.  Then again , maybe the jobs are available, but it is much more fun to just while away the hours playing games. As long as your parents will support you.

     

     




    Jobs ARE available for people who have majors tougher than basket weaving or personal hygiene. 

     

     
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    You forgot his tatoos, comic books, and wardrobe of Red Sox sweatshirts and uniforms. I always wanted to go to a Sox game in full RS uniform with a play station 3 in one hand and a yo-yo in the other and a bag of video games.

     




    It is sad what is happening to the youth of today. I wish there were more jobs available, so they could become productive citizens.  Then again , maybe the jobs are available, but it is much more fun to just while away the hours playing games. As long as your parents will support you.

     

     




    Jobs ARE available for people who have majors tougher than basket weaving or personal hygiene. 

     



    I'm fortunate to have all of my kids employed or in college but I see a ton of young people who can't get full time jobs or jobs paying over $9 per hour. The average Walmart worker makes something like $8.67 per hour ( I'm quoting from memory...it may not be exactly that number ). One son is a Genetics major and to even have a realistic career in that field you have to maintain a GPA over 3.5. Lots of kids start out trying to be a doctor or something similar and they end up being a carpenter. You of all people should know how hard it is to pull that off Amp. Being a Pharmacist is difficult. A lot of kids don't cut it even why they do try.

    I'm blessed with smart, hard working kids but all my kids played a ton of videogames also. I think more kids fail mainly because they couldn't afford to go to a good school and had to go the junior college route and work part time. We have had lots of employees who haven't graduated from college until they are 26-28 years old. And are deeply in debt when they do. It is a heck of a lot easier when mom and dad could put them through private school and help pay for their college. Amp, when you and I went to college we could get out of college with car loan type debt, even with zero help from our parents. Now it is over $100,000 or more for some kids. Kids today get the shaft. They really do.

    I do agree that it is so important to pick a STEM type major ( Math / Science / Engineering ...etc ) as you might as well not bother with so many other majors. The job market is that tough now.

     
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    You forgot his tatoos, comic books, and wardrobe of Red Sox sweatshirts and uniforms. I always wanted to go to a Sox game in full RS uniform with a play station 3 in one hand and a yo-yo in the other and a bag of video games.

     




    It is sad what is happening to the youth of today. I wish there were more jobs available, so they could become productive citizens.  Then again , maybe the jobs are available, but it is much more fun to just while away the hours playing games. As long as your parents will support you.

     

     




    Jobs ARE available for people who have majors tougher than basket weaving or personal hygiene. 

     

     



    I'm fortunate to have all of my kids employed or in college but I see a ton of young people who can't get full time jobs or jobs paying over $9 per hour. The average Walmart worker makes something like $8.67 per hour ( I'm quoting from memory...it may not be exactly that number ). One son is a Genetics major and to even have a realistic career in that field you have to maintain a GPA over 3.5. Lots of kids start out trying to be a doctor or something similar and they end up being a carpenter. You of all people should know how hard it is to pull that off Amp. Being a Pharmacist is difficult. A lot of kids don't cut it even why they do try.

     

    I'm blessed with smart, hard working kids but all my kids played a ton of videogames also. I think more kids fail mainly because they couldn't afford to go to a good school and had to go the junior college route and work part time. We have had lots of employees who haven't graduated from college until they are 26-28 years old. And are deeply in debt when they do. It is a heck of a lot easier when mom and dad could put them through private school and help pay for their college. Amp, when you and I went to college we could get out of college with car loan type debt, even with zero help from our parents. Now it is over $100,000 or more for some kids. Kids today get the shaft. They really do.

    I do agree that it is so important to pick a STEM type major ( Math / Science / Engineering ...etc ) as you might as well not bother with so many other majors. The job market is that tough now.




    If the colleges did not have so many useless courses , taught by highly paid professors, the serious students could get a real education that would not cost a King's ransom.   Things have spiraled out of control.

     
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    You forgot his tatoos, comic books, and wardrobe of Red Sox sweatshirts and uniforms. I always wanted to go to a Sox game in full RS uniform with a play station 3 in one hand and a yo-yo in the other and a bag of video games.

     




    It is sad what is happening to the youth of today. I wish there were more jobs available, so they could become productive citizens.  Then again , maybe the jobs are available, but it is much more fun to just while away the hours playing games. As long as your parents will support you.

     

     




    Jobs ARE available for people who have majors tougher than basket weaving or personal hygiene. 

     

     



    I'm fortunate to have all of my kids employed or in college but I see a ton of young people who can't get full time jobs or jobs paying over $9 per hour. The average Walmart worker makes something like $8.67 per hour ( I'm quoting from memory...it may not be exactly that number ). One son is a Genetics major and to even have a realistic career in that field you have to maintain a GPA over 3.5. Lots of kids start out trying to be a doctor or something similar and they end up being a carpenter. You of all people should know how hard it is to pull that off Amp. Being a Pharmacist is difficult. A lot of kids don't cut it even why they do try.

     

    I'm blessed with smart, hard working kids but all my kids played a ton of videogames also. I think more kids fail mainly because they couldn't afford to go to a good school and had to go the junior college route and work part time. We have had lots of employees who haven't graduated from college until they are 26-28 years old. And are deeply in debt when they do. It is a heck of a lot easier when mom and dad could put them through private school and help pay for their college. Amp, when you and I went to college we could get out of college with car loan type debt, even with zero help from our parents. Now it is over $100,000 or more for some kids. Kids today get the shaft. They really do.

    I do agree that it is so important to pick a STEM type major ( Math / Science / Engineering ...etc ) as you might as well not bother with so many other majors. The job market is that tough now.

     




    Thanks for the info.  I guess I'm just a fossil.

     

    I sincerely wish your family well.

    The pharmacy interns I talk to now, tell me that you'll need a minimum GPA around 3.5 to get in.  Then, the pressure is on just to pass...then, of  course, the national board.  I know some people who have taken it three times.  The pressure is incredible.  When I went, we had a dropout rate of about 60%.

    I just feel fortunate to have gone when I did, get through, and pass while working about 30hrs per week and living on about 3-4hrs of sleep a night.

    I didn't totally pay my own way.  My parents helped, but every penny I made contributed to tuition, books etc.  It was routine to check out Goodwill and Salvation Army stores for clothes, shoes etc.

    I don't know what the solution is, Boom.  I know you probably think it's connected to politics, but I'm not sure that's the answer either.

    Although I believe in the military, do we have to be everywhere?  Maybe the money saved could help students like your son.  Of course, they all couldn't be psych or sociology majors...:)

     

     

     
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    You forgot his tatoos, comic books, and wardrobe of Red Sox sweatshirts and uniforms. I always wanted to go to a Sox game in full RS uniform with a play station 3 in one hand and a yo-yo in the other and a bag of video games.

     




    It is sad what is happening to the youth of today. I wish there were more jobs available, so they could become productive citizens.  Then again , maybe the jobs are available, but it is much more fun to just while away the hours playing games. As long as your parents will support you.

     

     




    Jobs ARE available for people who have majors tougher than basket weaving or personal hygiene. 

     

     



    I'm fortunate to have all of my kids employed or in college but I see a ton of young people who can't get full time jobs or jobs paying over $9 per hour. The average Walmart worker makes something like $8.67 per hour ( I'm quoting from memory...it may not be exactly that number ). One son is a Genetics major and to even have a realistic career in that field you have to maintain a GPA over 3.5. Lots of kids start out trying to be a doctor or something similar and they end up being a carpenter. You of all people should know how hard it is to pull that off Amp. Being a Pharmacist is difficult. A lot of kids don't cut it even why they do try.

     

    I'm blessed with smart, hard working kids but all my kids played a ton of videogames also. I think more kids fail mainly because they couldn't afford to go to a good school and had to go the junior college route and work part time. We have had lots of employees who haven't graduated from college until they are 26-28 years old. And are deeply in debt when they do. It is a heck of a lot easier when mom and dad could put them through private school and help pay for their college. Amp, when you and I went to college we could get out of college with car loan type debt, even with zero help from our parents. Now it is over $100,000 or more for some kids. Kids today get the shaft. They really do.

    I do agree that it is so important to pick a STEM type major ( Math / Science / Engineering ...etc ) as you might as well not bother with so many other majors. The job market is that tough now.

     




    If the colleges did not have so many useless courses , taught by highly paid professors, the serious students could get a real education that would not cost a King's ransom.   Things have spiraled out of control.

     




    Wow! As one of those "highly paid professors" (NOT!!), I can say that I have not gotten a raise in many many years and I teach in a STEM discipline; yet tuition rates continue to rise. Nope, not coming to my pocket.


    Here is the key... Send your kids to a State school. Private schools are just robbing you blind and the difference in education is not all that great - certainly not worth $100K in debt! My kids go to a State school by the way, so I practice what I preach.


    Boom has it right. STEM is still a good paying field, especially engineering ot even better, engineering management. Then again, my buddy who is a plumber all his life has always made more money than me. So little trade schools anymore that I would encourage more kids to become plumbers, carpenters, etc.

     
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    You forgot his tatoos, comic books, and wardrobe of Red Sox sweatshirts and uniforms. I always wanted to go to a Sox game in full RS uniform with a play station 3 in one hand and a yo-yo in the other and a bag of video games.

     




    It is sad what is happening to the youth of today. I wish there were more jobs available, so they could become productive citizens.  Then again , maybe the jobs are available, but it is much more fun to just while away the hours playing games. As long as your parents will support you.

     

     




    Jobs ARE available for people who have majors tougher than basket weaving or personal hygiene. 

     

     



    I'm fortunate to have all of my kids employed or in college but I see a ton of young people who can't get full time jobs or jobs paying over $9 per hour. The average Walmart worker makes something like $8.67 per hour ( I'm quoting from memory...it may not be exactly that number ). One son is a Genetics major and to even have a realistic career in that field you have to maintain a GPA over 3.5. Lots of kids start out trying to be a doctor or something similar and they end up being a carpenter. You of all people should know how hard it is to pull that off Amp. Being a Pharmacist is difficult. A lot of kids don't cut it even why they do try.

     

    I'm blessed with smart, hard working kids but all my kids played a ton of videogames also. I think more kids fail mainly because they couldn't afford to go to a good school and had to go the junior college route and work part time. We have had lots of employees who haven't graduated from college until they are 26-28 years old. And are deeply in debt when they do. It is a heck of a lot easier when mom and dad could put them through private school and help pay for their college. Amp, when you and I went to college we could get out of college with car loan type debt, even with zero help from our parents. Now it is over $100,000 or more for some kids. Kids today get the shaft. They really do.

    I do agree that it is so important to pick a STEM type major ( Math / Science / Engineering ...etc ) as you might as well not bother with so many other majors. The job market is that tough now.

     




    If the colleges did not have so many useless courses , taught by highly paid professors, the serious students could get a real education that would not cost a King's ransom.   Things have spiraled out of control.

     

     




    Wow! As one of those "highly paid professors" (NOT!!), I can say that I have not gotten a raise in many many years and I teach in a STEM discipline; yet tuition rates continue to rise. Nope, not coming to my pocket.

     


    Here is the key... Send your kids to a State school. Private schools are just robbing you blind and the difference in education is not all that great - certainly not worth $100K in debt! My kids go to a State school by the way, so I practice what I preach.


    Boom has it right. STEM is still a good paying field, especially engineering ot even better, engineering management. Then again, my buddy who is a plumber all his life has always made more money than me. So little trade schools anymore that I would encourage more kids to become plumbers, carpenters, etc.




    Trade schools are great, but some of the required work would be pretty tough to do when someone gets older.  A required subject would have to be buiness/finance in order to learn how to properly invest money.

     
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    drew +1? what play does Drew make that iggy doesn't?

    My mistake. They both make that play, so it's not a +1 for Drew.

    It is Iggy +2 over 5 games (a pace of 60 over 150).

    There have been some close plays, like the nice tag that maybe Drew doesn't make, but I'm trying to be conservative. (It might really be +3)




     

    Why is it +2? He did not make that play in the hole. He two hopped it to the side of the first baseman. There was no out and no error. It wasn't a good throw. Counting that as a +1 is certainly not conservative. If you don't count accurately, not sure what the purpose is.

     
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    Well this thread has been completely derailed. I'd say that pike and denny's work here was done.

     
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    I will continue to count until Iggy is sent down. You can choose to look away.

     



    even after Iggy gets sent down we can still keep counting..

    Yes, as in, "Iggy would have got to that ball," but it's maybe a little harder to determine.

     
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    That play where Iggy dove on the ball and immediately composed himself to throw a strike to 2nd and they almost turned the double play with Rajai Davis burning down the line. That was impressive as heck. I don't care if Iggy is better...I just want to see more plays like that! This team is entertaining to watch.



    Yes, it could be at Iggy +4-5, but I'm being conservative and giving Drew the benefit of the doubt on defense (that he is near average).

     
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    drew +1? what play does Drew make that iggy doesn't?

    My mistake. They both make that play, so it's not a +1 for Drew.

    It is Iggy +2 over 5 games (a pace of 60 over 150).

    There have been some close plays, like the nice tag that maybe Drew doesn't make, but I'm trying to be conservative. (It might really be +3)

     




     

     

    Why is it +2? He did not make that play in the hole. He two hopped it to the side of the first baseman. There was no out and no error. It wasn't a good throw. Counting that as a +1 is certainly not conservative. If you don't count accurately, not sure what the purpose is.



    The throw was good enough to get the4 guy out. There should have been an error, and I'd have given it to Naps, although most scorers would have falter Iggy. I didn't count that play as  plus one for Iggy. It could easily be +4 Iggy, but I am counting it as +2. You have a right to disagree, but I think I am being conservative here. Let's wait and watch Drew for a bit, and we should see the difference pretty quickly.

     
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    Well this thread has been completely derailed. I'd say that pike and denny's work here was done.



    Sad, but true for a bit.

    Let's get back to baseball...

    Sox-O's at Fenway! YahoooOOOOOO!

     
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    O's are deceptively dangerous and trash talkers to boot.

    I am curious to see how these new Sox match up against them. The trash talk can be distracting.

     
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